CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

[Majingir]

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As an outsider looking in, it is sad and funny (in a "this is ridiculous" way) seeing how things get handled "down south".

I don't care to follow US news, but I flipped to a news channel one day and they had a reporter talking about what other countries are doing to minimize their risk.

The way it was done made it seem like they were living under a rock, completely oblivious to what most of the world is doing.

It was like "distancing....wiping down anything you buy.....not being part of crowds......masks.....limits on how many people can be in a store...tell me more!", as if this is all new groundbreaking info some country figured out.

I know many places are following those rules, but still.

Things are bittersweet because you get to see on a local and global scale how people react to things like this. It's like they say, you can tell a lot about a person by how they act in adversity.

[KmK]

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Yes, this one time is the one time to draw a line in the sand.

Give me a break.

When is it appropriate to resist government overreach?

[mercalnd]

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When is it appropriate to resist government overreach?

How about when it's not protesting about a minor discomfort that has the potential to prevent spreading an infectious disease to your fellow man?

[Speedy]

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When is it appropriate to resist government overreach?

The mask requirements and such makes sense. I get that, it's logical.

My frustration is the double standard the government is employing with different sectors. I had a whole post written up but it's definitely political and not worth the trouble.

[bigfnjoe96]

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Looks like the speeding of the vaccine timeline is real...

https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/09/02/health/cdc-covid-19-vaccine-distribution/index.html?usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D&amp_js_v=0.1#aoh=15990915455247&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2020%2F09%2F02%2Fhealth%2Fcdc-covid-19-vaccine-distribution%2Findex.html

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[p_rushing]

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Looks like the speeding of the vaccine timeline is real...

https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/09/02/health/cdc-covid-19-vaccine-distribution/index.html?usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D&amp_js_v=0.1#aoh=15990915455247&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2020%2F09%2F02%2Fhealth%2Fcdc-covid-19-vaccine-distribution%2Findex.html

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It really is nothing new. They know the trials have to wrap up by 10/1 to get approval. They have already started manufacturing some of the vaccines knowing they will get approval. So this is just clearing the red tape to have them ready to be made or stored on 11/1.


I won't voluntarily take it, not sure who would in their right mind, but I'm sure people will or will be forced to in order to do certain things. It is the first time people across the world have worked together like this on a vaccine, but still it is to fast with no long term testing.

If it's the Moderna one, I won't be taking that one no matter what. They haven't ever gotten any approval for anything, want to modify your DNA to fight the virus, but haven't tested this method on humans before. Sounds like a great plan to do with 2-3 months of trials.

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[mestevo]

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It really is nothing new. They know the trials have to wrap up by 10/1 to get approval. They have already started manufacturing some of the vaccines knowing they will get approval. So this is just clearing the red tape to have them ready to be made or stored on 11/1.


I won't voluntarily take it, not sure who would in their right mind, but I'm sure people will or will be forced to in order to do certain things. It is the first time people across the world have worked together like this on a vaccine, but still it is to fast with no long term testing.

If it's the Moderna one, I won't be taking that one no matter what. They haven't ever gotten any approval for anything, want to modify your DNA to fight the virus, but haven't tested this method on humans before. Sounds like a great plan to do with 2-3 months of trials.

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We're on our own, the rest of the world is working together.

Kind of how we handled testing the first half of the year.

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[mkharsh33]

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My issue with a rushed vaccination (and yes, I see this as being "rushed")...

1) we just don't know enough about something coming this quickly as to the risks involved.

But 2) I truly sense this will become a "card carrying member" that is "mandated" if we want to be allowed to go into public gathering places.

Yes, I'm 100% for personal and community safety, but I really see this being ramrodded at us too fast, and the rest of the unknowns be damned...

That should concern all of us.

[Cardot]

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I truly sense this will become a "card carrying member" that is "mandated" if we want to be allowed to go into public gathering places.

That will be interesting to watch for sure With some folks getting their undergarments in a bunch over wearing a mask for a 10 minute trip to the grocery store, I can only imagine the response to a vaccine mandate. Although if it comes from the other side as a product of "Operation Warp Speed", maybe it will be better received?

[mestevo]

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30-35% of athletes at PSU who had tested positive for COVID have myocarditis. Myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart muscle that can contribute/lead to heart failure.

Young, athletic and healthy kids, and apparently even in kids who were otherwise asymptomatic. That's frightening.

Definitely looking forward to more studies on this.

https://www.centredaily.com/sports/college/penn-state-university/psu-football/article245448050.html

Sebastianelli said that cardiac MRI scans revealed that approximately a third of Big Ten athletes who tested positive for COVID-19 appeared to have myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle that can be fatal if left unchecked.

“When we looked at our COVID-positive athletes, whether they were symptomatic or not, 30 to roughly 35 percent of their heart muscles (are) inflamed,” Sebastianelli said. “And we really just don’t know what to do with it right now. It’s still very early in the infection. Some of that has led to the Pac-12 and the Big Ten’s decision to sort of put a hiatus on what’s happening.”

A day before the Big Ten announced its decision to postpone its fall sports season on Aug. 11, ESPN reported that the long-term effects of myocarditis had been discussed in meetings of presidents and chancellors, commissioners and athletic directors, and health advisory board members from the Big Ten and other conferences around the country.

“You could have a very high-level athlete who’s got a very superior VO2 max and cardiac output who gets infected with COVID and can drop his or her VO2 max and cardiac output just by 10 percent, and that could make them go from elite status to average status,” Sebastianelli said. “We don’t know that. We don’t know how long that’s going to last. What we have seen is when people have been studied with cardiac MRI scans — symptomatic and asymptomatic COVID infections — is a level of inflammation in cardiac muscle that just is alarming.”

[canes21]

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30-35% of athletes at PSU who had tested positive for COVID have myocarditis. Myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart muscle that can contribute/lead to heart failure.

Young, athletic and healthy kids, and apparently even in kids who were otherwise asymptomatic. That's frightening.

Definitely looking forward to more studies on this.

https://www.centredaily.com/sports/c...245448050.html

Sebastianelli said that cardiac MRI scans revealed that approximately a third of Big Ten athletes who tested positive for COVID-19 appeared to have myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle that can be fatal if left unchecked.

“When we looked at our COVID-positive athletes, whether they were symptomatic or not, 30 to roughly 35 percent of their heart muscles (are) inflamed,” Sebastianelli said. “And we really just don’t know what to do with it right now. It’s still very early in the infection. Some of that has led to the Pac-12 and the Big Ten’s decision to sort of put a hiatus on what’s happening.”

A day before the Big Ten announced its decision to postpone its fall sports season on Aug. 11, ESPN reported that the long-term effects of myocarditis had been discussed in meetings of presidents and chancellors, commissioners and athletic directors, and health advisory board members from the Big Ten and other conferences around the country.

“You could have a very high-level athlete who’s got a very superior VO2 max and cardiac output who gets infected with COVID and can drop his or her VO2 max and cardiac output just by 10 percent, and that could make them go from elite status to average status,” Sebastianelli said. “We don’t know that. We don’t know how long that’s going to last. What we have seen is when people have been studied with cardiac MRI scans — symptomatic and asymptomatic COVID infections — is a level of inflammation in cardiac muscle that just is alarming.”

To be fair, with regards to the bold, young athletic males are who are typically most at risk for the condition after getting a viral disease.

And if you want a source, here you go.

While we often associate cardiovascular conditions with elderly populations, myocarditis can affect anyone, including young adults, children and infants. In fact, it most often affects otherwise healthy, young, athletic types with the high-risk population being those of ages from puberty through their early 30’s, affecting males twice as often as females. Myocarditis is the 3rd leading cause of Sudden Death in children and young adults.

https://www.myocarditisfoundation.org/about-myocarditis/

And before the brigade shows up because the alarm is sounded that I posted, I'm not downplaying anything, I am just clearing up that we shouldn't be anymore frightened these young healthy athletes are seeing the condition pop up because they are exactly the group that are most likely to develop it.

[slickdtc]

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If coronavirus is leading to more cases of myocarditis, we should be concerned. All along we’ve been told it’s just the elderly who are most at risk, then those with pre-existing conditions, children and young folks last.

Now we’re seeing a link to a condition even in the most healthy group. Even if that group is already the most likely to get this specific condition, coronavirus seems to be triggering it. If I’m reading that right, they did not have this condition before getting covid. Yes, some may have had it undiscovered as we hear about every now and then as athletes take physicals and whatnot, but this amount is a major red flag.

Of course, we’ve seen a ton of stuff linked to the disease and we don’t know what the longer view looks like. That to me remains the scariest part and the part that continues to be ignored in the name of returning everything back to normal.

[canes21]

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I'm assuming based off of your post that you are not familiar with myocarditis. They would not have had the condition before getting covid. You develop the condition after getting a viral infection like covid, the flu, or even the common cold.

I know Alabama and most FBS schools, if not all at this point, will test their players for the condition after they recover from a viral infection because we know that is the leading cause for the condition. Once a player tests positive for the condition they are going to be limited in what training they can do to minimize their risk, but it has a relatively short recovery time and once they recover they are good to go.

What makes myocarditis dangerous is if it goes undetected and a player exalts maximum effort leading to sudden heart failure. This is what is typically seen when we hear of high school players dropping dead in practice or in a game. They don't receive the same type of medical care that college athletes do obviously.

Thankfully all of these FBS athletes are very likely to be getting tested for the condition if they had a positive test. What we should be concerned with is whether or not Penn State turns out to be an outlier or the norm. At the moment they appear to be an extreme outlier compared to every other program in terms of players developing the condition, which is good for the CFB world, and the whole populace in general, but it is something to continue to keep an eye on.

Right now we don't have enough info to definitively say whether or not Covid causes the condition at a higher rate than other viral infections, but with the data we do have at the moment, Penn State is fortunately an extreme outlier and not the norm and we should only hope that remains the case.

[mestevo]

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What makes them an "extreme outlier" - re-reading it it's not clear to me that this is only PSU athletes and I poorly rephrased the topic when I initially posted it. It actually references 'Big Ten athletes' - which would be 14 "extreme outliers" then?

[canes21]

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What do you mean what makes them an outlier? The rest of the CFB world and the world outside of it is not seeing a third of positives result in the condition. That's why it is an outlier at the moment, because the rest of the data shows this is not the norm.