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  • Krebstar
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    • May 2005
    • 12904

    #406
    Re: The 2017-2018 EPL Discussion Thread

    I'd also say league—easily. I want to see Arsenal crowned as the best team in England before anything else, and that's because it has been so long. I think that is the real differentiator. Chelsea, City, and United supporters will say Champions League because winning the league is something they've done recently, and not just once.

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    • Leon
      An Old Trafford
      • Mar 2003
      • 4981

      #407
      Re: The 2017-2018 EPL Discussion Thread

      If you ask me, I'd easily want the league over UCL this year -- both if I'm being greedy. 4 years may not be a long time for most clubs, but I think it is (and should be) for a club of this stature. Enough articles have been written about United declining after Sir Alex; jokes being made at our lackluster finishes compared to our spending as well as our play; the fear factor of facing Manchester United being gone; I would want us to conquer English football once again before anything else.

      As much as I love the "Twenty times, twenty times, Man. United" song, I want that to be updated to twenty-one times.
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      • Brahvocado
        MVP
        • Oct 2012
        • 7480

        #408
        Re: The 2017-2018 EPL Discussion Thread

        They’ve also been writing jokes about United’s decline in the CL though, before SAF even retired. He was basically phoning it in in the CL his last few seasons.

        Just surprised you wouldn’t prioritize becoming a European powerhouse again over just an English one.

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        • stlducks
          MVP
          • Mar 2010
          • 2888

          #409
          Re: The 2017-2018 EPL Discussion Thread

          I also think some people see the league as being harder to win. CL you could have an easy group and then get a few lucky draws in the later rounds so you really only have to beat one or two teams to win it all.

          But I agree with the post above, teams that have won the league recently probably don't see it as important as the teams that have not won it in awhile.
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          • Leon
            An Old Trafford
            • Mar 2003
            • 4981

            #410
            Re: The 2017-2018 EPL Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by Brahvocado
            They’ve also been writing jokes about United’s decline in the CL though, before SAF even retired. He was basically phoning it in in the CL his last few seasons.

            Just surprised you wouldn’t prioritize becoming a European powerhouse again over just an English one.
            We had a run of 3 finals in 4 years. We just so happened to have that run at the same time as that ridiculous Barcelona side reaching their apex. Lax defence cost us in 2012; we were a controversial red card away from beating Madrid in 2013. SAF phoning it in in Europe is the furthest thing from the truth.

            I said I'd prefer the league this year, simply because I think we're capable of it. UCL, we're still a step below, but we all know cup competitions and great luck can produce magic.
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            • Brahvocado
              MVP
              • Oct 2012
              • 7480

              #411
              Re: The 2017-2018 EPL Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by Leon
              We had a run of 3 finals in 4 years. We just so happened to have that run at the same time as that ridiculous Barcelona side reaching their apex. Lax defence cost us in 2012; we were a controversial red card away from beating Madrid in 2013. SAF phoning it in in Europe is the furthest thing from the truth.

              I said I'd prefer the league this year, simply because I think we're capable of it. UCL, we're still a step below, but we all know cup competitions and great luck can produce magic.
              To be fair, you’d have lost that 09 final to that Chelsea team as well.

              I was talking about after 2011 though. By Fergie’s standards, his last few seasons were definitely phoning it in.

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              • KG
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                • Sep 2005
                • 17583

                #412
                Re: The 2017-2018 EPL Discussion Thread

                You get a lot more in terms of return when you win the CL. Had we not won the CL in 2012 we don't get Hazard. If we don't get Hazard we don't win these past 2 League titles. A European conquest raises your club stature in a way that the league can't.




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                • stlducks
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2010
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                  #413
                  Re: The 2017-2018 EPL Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by KG
                  You get a lot more in terms of return when you win the CL. Had we not won the CL in 2012 we don't get Hazard. If we don't get Hazard we don't win these past 2 League titles. A European conquest raises your club stature in a way that the league can't.




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                  If you don't get Hazard, Spurs get Hazard. Spurs get Hazard, Spurs win next 4 league titles... Right?
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                  • KG
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                    • Sep 2005
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                    #414
                    Re: The 2017-2018 EPL Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by stlducks
                    If you don't get Hazard, Spurs get Hazard. Spurs get Hazard, Spurs win next 4 league titles... Right?


                    By Hazard do you mean Willian?

                    He would have gone to United.


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                    • stlducks
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2010
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                      #415
                      Re: The 2017-2018 EPL Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by KG
                      By Hazard do you mean Willian?

                      He would have gone to United.


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                      I don't remember all of the Hazard "drama" but I know Spurs were very interested. He wasn't nearly as close to signing as Willian though.
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                      • KG
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                        • Sep 2005
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                        #416
                        Re: The 2017-2018 EPL Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by stlducks
                        I don't remember all of the Hazard "drama" but I know Spurs were very interested. He wasn't nearly as close to signing as Willian though.


                        Maybe initially but it was United vs Chelsea battling it out for his signature.

                        Then we proceeded to sign his entire family in the years after.


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                        • Brahvocado
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 7480

                          #417
                          Re: The 2017-2018 EPL Discussion Thread

                          A lot of the stuff about how close Spurs were to signing Hazard came out a lot more recently, and part of it was 'Arry himself claiming they were super close to signing him, so obviously that should be taken with a pretty big bowl of salt.

                          I also think the other side of that rumor, is that people just want to add another "thing" to further expound on how much Chelsea hosed Tottenham that season.

                          The reality is Tottenham were heavily interested, but they were never going to be able to outbid Chelsea, United and City.

                          It was probably pretty equal between those three, and then a wonderful Ivorian man-mountain tipped the scales in our favor.

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                          • Krebstar
                            is looking at stats.
                            • May 2005
                            • 12904

                            #418
                            Re: The 2017-2018 EPL Discussion Thread

                            How the hell was that not a penalty by Mustafi?

                            SWEEP THE LEG.

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                            • stlducks
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 2888

                              #419
                              Re: The 2017-2018 EPL Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by Krebstar
                              How the hell was that not a penalty by Mustafi?

                              SWEEP THE LEG.
                              That is why players dive. If he would have tried selling it instead of getting back up it would probably be called.
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                              • Brahvocado
                                MVP
                                • Oct 2012
                                • 7480

                                #420
                                Re: The 2017-2018 EPL Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by Krebstar
                                How the hell was that not a penalty by Mustafi?

                                SWEEP THE LEG.
                                Because Chubby Peyton Manning is an absolute joke. He’s in the running for worst ref in the league every season.

                                That was the easiest call in the world to make, and as everyone seems to be saying, calls like that are the reason players dive.

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