2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

[Krebstar]

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United with another draw. 😏

Solskjaer never should've been given the job permanently. He's out of his depth.

I mentioned it before and I'll mention it again—the just had another muscle injury. Players talked/complained about in preseason interviews how all they were doing was running. All he was having them do was run.

Surprise, surprise, they keep getting muscle injuries.

He thinks the way to fix that team is to run the players into the ground.

Silly gnome.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I think their issues are much deeper than him and deeper than what any manager can currently fix.

ManU is being ran like the Redskins have been for years.

[KG]

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I think their issues are much deeper than him and deeper than what any manager can currently fix.

ManU is being ran like the Redskins have been for years.

I mean..... I was having a good time in here Pack before you so rudely brought up my Skins.

United have a little further down the road to go to reach the Skins level of incompetence BUT they're definitely headed towards 495.

[Krebstar]

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Yes, it could be argued that the club is so poorly run that nothing is actually his fault, as he never should’ve been put in that position.

However, other managers could do better with that squad.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I mean..... I was having a good time in here Pack before you so rudely brought up my Skins.



United have a little further down the road to go to reach the Skins level of incompetence BUT they're definitely headed towards 495.

They have no identity and their squad is pretty much being built by a man who expertise is moreso on the business side than it is the actual team building side.

Add those 2 together and that would equal mediocrity for any team in any sport regardless of who the coach or manager is and regardless of how much money you have.

Now he did come out and stated the obvious publicly that they’re rebuilding. The question I want to know is if he’s the only one that knows that. If that’s the case and Woodward is still operating under the mindset that “Well, we’re Manchester United and we don’t rebuild”, then I hope he’s prepared to be stuck in this position for another 6-7 years.

FWIW, I’m not absolving him of anything either. I’m just saying that their issues go beyond “Change the Manager = Results” because it’s not that Black and White.

[BunnyHardaway]

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I don’t really give a **** why it’s happening I just hope it continues

[Brahvocado]

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Honestly I think at least part of the problem is that their squad is far worse than people really seem to want to admit.

Not just saying that because of that video of them warming up where they look like a bad Sunday league team, but from just watching even a few minutes of their games. Half their players struggle to do even basic things.

So you have a manager who isn’t that great and is wildly out of his depth, players who genuinely aren’t very good, and a back room that has absolutely zero clue what they’re doing and no plan going forward (and also refuse to hire a DoF, though even that probably wouldn’t help enough).

Whole thing is a clown fiesta.

[3304Life]

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It’s problematic from top to bottom and like Pack says, it starts having someone in charge who doesn’t particularly know anything on the football side of things. Woodward is great for them in terms of commercial partnerships but even the Adidas deal is apparently going to drastically reduce if they don’t get top four this year.

In terms of on the pitch there’s really nothing good to talk about either. Their young English core isn’t particularly good. Rashford is the same player he was four years ago, Lingard hasn’t made the jump he looked like he would, Greenwood is genuinely a huge talent but he’s under pressure already to deliver.

The experienced players aren’t influential enough. De Gea has reverted to his early United self, their captain is Ashley Young who looks occasionally dangerous but is way past it. Pogba hasn’t justified his price tag or his reputation at all since he arrived back in England.

And most of all, the transfers in recent years just haven’t been good enough for them. Ibra was good pre-injury but at what cost when it unsettled Martial to an extent he’s only just now getting back into the team regularly. Fred is one of the worst signings I think I’ve seen since I started following this sport. Lindelof is at least starting to show some promise and Dalot could become good with time. But their best signing since maybe Van Persie is James and I don’t know whether that’s a good thing or a bad thing, although I’m leaning towards bad.

Hiring Solskjaer was fine until the end of last season but I still don’t understand what they were thinking signing him to a long term deal. Giving somebody a long term contract who doesn’t have much standing as a coach and expecting him to manage big reputations and names is insane. He’s football’s Ty Lue, without the championship.

I only have a passing concern in United considering I’m a Liverpool fan but it’s insane seeing how bad they’ve become. When I started watching football they were the pinnacle and right now I’d struggle to even say they were a top 5 team in England, let alone the world.


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[KG]

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Oh Naa Brahv, call it what is.

Their midfield is trash. Pogba has lost all his luster. Fred is a bust. Matic is older. PES cover boy McTominay is nothing special. Mata is a lovely person but just a part-time player now. The Lingard MF experiment has run its course and Andres Perreira is good but not old school Man United quality player.

They left their attack very thin by not replacing Alexis (who looks rejuvenated so far) & Lukaku. They’re relying on kids like Greenwood to spell fragile Martial and they already rushed Rashford back from his groin injury.

They’re a James/Rashford injury away from being a mid table club with a mid-table manager who ironically employs the same counter attacking style that they hated when Mou was there.

Maguire’s the only player they have that could get into City and Liverpool’s team

Tying this was a lot of fun [emoji23]


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[Suntan Superman]

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I think Pogba's better than he looks at Manchester United, I think the rest of the midfield is so awful that's he's pressed into being both the destroyer and playmaker, and that's insanely difficult.


rest of 'em are trash.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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They need to just embrace the suck for a year or two. Like I said, their manager has already come out and said they’re rebuilding so they need to just fully embrace it instead of just doing their usual strategy which has been “Throw money at big name = Success!” because it’s gotten them nowhere except for a silly *** League Cup and a Europa League championship.

Big ****ing whoop.

Just pull a Yankees move. And we see how much better off they were and they’re just as much of a “big brand” as Man U is. They have top table goals/expectations but have the roster of a mid table team.

[rdnk]

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They have no identity and their squad is pretty much being built by a man who expertise is moreso on the business side than it is the actual team building side.

That's the crux of the issue. Woodward was an investment banker, and is running the team like a hedge fund.

With OGS in place to take the hit while they're rebuilding, they need to put an actual department of football operations in place. Something similar to what Red Bull did with Ralf Rangnick.

[bhurst99]

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I'm worried you guys are proposing to fix Manchester United. Can't we just sit back and enjoy the warmth from the tire fire?

[Krebstar]

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It’s hilarious to think that right now they’re either in, have initiated, or are considering a rebuilding phase.

They’re not rebuilding—to those running things, this is them trying their hardest to win. Calling it rebuilding is giving them far more credit than they deserve.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Which is why their issues start from up top, not the bottom like some people keep claiming.