2021-2022 English Football Thread

[Krebstar]

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Hard to believe a team that attacks like that hasn’t scored a goal.

They're very much one of those 'if they keep this up, they'll be more than alright' sides and I think in a few months people will say remember when they didn't have a point or goal after three games?

[Keirik]

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Classic Ole.

That’s a new record 28 game unbeaten streak away from home Ole to you.

[Krebstar]

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That’s a new record 28 game unbeaten streak away from home Ole to you.

Well, luck can often be underrated.

[stlducks]

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Pogba didn’t even make contact with Neves lol. Love the look over at the ref first, then grab the ankle second and fall down. Class lol.
United do not deserve the points today though and still plenty of time remaining.

He made contact for sure, but Dean still made the right call. Under the "new initiative" as the league is calling it, little contact like that is supposed to be ignored.

United deserved the win. If Wolves are going to miss that many chances, they deserve to lose.

I do hope someone questions Ole about the noncall after the game. Since he was complaining about how the ref is letting players play too much last week and now he benefitted from it.

[Keirik]

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He made contact for sure, but Dean still made the right call. Under the "new initiative" as the league is calling it, little contact like that is supposed to be ignored.

United deserved the win. If Wolves are going to miss that many chances, they deserve to lose.

I do hope someone questions Ole about the noncall after the game. Since he was complaining about how the ref is letting players play too much last week and now he benefitted from it.

What is he going to say though? Every manager complains when it goes against them and applauds when it helps

[Krebstar]

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Little contact—okay.

[KG]

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As much as I hate to say it…Neves has to go down immediately there. The whole ..get kicked, turn back at the ref, and then go down seconds later doomed him.

But yeah..Wolves had a bunch of great chances they squandered.


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[Krebstar]

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As much as I hate to say it…Neves has to go down immediately there. The whole ..get kicked, turn back at the ref, and then go down seconds later doomed him.

But yeah..Wolves had a bunch of great chances they squandered.


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Of course he does and that’s why players dive. That’s why, not because they’re ruining the game and being babies.

Another angle shows Neves immediately make a face once the contact happened—he felt it.

The slow replay makes it seem like he took forever to go down, but what happened is his shin got smashed into, he looked at the referee to be like you saw this ****, right? No? Okay I’ll go down and maybe then you realize what you saw.

Everyone pretending he took a dive after no contact to win a foul is, yeah.

Absolute joke. Next week that’ll be a yellow or red, and the next time someone goes down easy there will be complaints about it.

No contact/little contact—hahahaha.

[Keirik]

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Little contact—okay.

LOL way to freeze frame the. 0005 second clip where he grazed a shin pad. My God, I never know what sport everyone wants this to he anymore. We all beg and moan for referees to let contact go with some physicality and stop making this sport into micro second fouls but the second it favors a team we hate, we re moan and beg it to go back to a no contact game.

I notice no one was freeze framing the non foul on Bruno last week that lead directly to a goal. It's football. I'd rather a few calls be missed than every tiny bit of contact and rolling around be freeze framed and reviewed 20 times a game.

[Krebstar]

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Glad to see you've gone from no contact to some contact, at least.

Go watch the clip again, and decide if you go from 'grazed' to something like 'dragged his studs across' or anything more that accurately describes the high challenge he made after being beaten to the ball.

1. I've been consistently against and 'spoken out against' (if you can call it that on an internet gaming message board) regarding high challenges, players jumping into tackles, etc. I call for more fouls than anyone on here, I'd say, and a lot of that was due to me seeing Arsenal players having their legs broken (and then players of other clubs the more I watched the sport)

You can continue to fabricate whatever persona you'd like for me that you believe dictates how I view the sport, the fouls within it, and the punishments that go with those fouls if they're called. I'll just go back once again not quoting your posts, and mildly roll my eyes to myself when you predictably post about players diving or simulating, even if it was a studs into the shin challenge that you too quickly judged as no contact.

2. I didn't watch the Man United game last week.

[Keirik]

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Glad to see you've gone from no contact to some contact, at least.

Go watch the clip again, and decide if you go from 'grazed' to something like 'dragged his studs across' or anything more that accurately describes the high challenge he made after being beaten to the ball.

1. I've been consistently against and 'spoken out against' (if you can call it that on an internet gaming message board) regarding high challenges, players jumping into tackles, etc. I call for more fouls than anyone on here, I'd say, and a lot of that was due to me seeing Arsenal players having their legs broken (and then players of other clubs the more I watched the sport)

You can continue to fabricate whatever persona you'd like for me that you believe dictates how I view the sport, the fouls within it, and the punishments that go with those fouls if they're called. I'll just go back once again not quoting your posts, and mildly roll my eyes to myself when you predictably post about players diving or simulating, even if it was a studs into the shin challenge that you too quickly judged as no contact.

2. I didn't watch the Man United game last week.

I did watch the “foul” plenty of times today. We all did that watched the game. In real time it looks like he didn’t even make contact. In super slo motion his shin guards move. I’ve seen plenty of calls/non calls/whatever. It’s part of the sport. I watched last year Lindleof get mugged with nothing called. I watched last week Bruno get fouled with nothing called. It’s on the players to not switch off when they try to play referee themselves instead of carrying on.

I’m not sure I’m developing any persona for you. You posted up a screen shot, not me. Who cares? Play the game. ****ty goalkeeping and switching off are why that goal happened, not the 50/50 ball Pogba rushed into Neves clearing. It wasn’t even high. It was about a foot off the ground.

I’m not sure why we can’t have a discussion without you turning into some little jab about ignoring me or taking it personally. I really don’t care if you roll your eyes. Players will dive without or without either of our takes on the matter. Fouls will also be missed as well. It’s a human game. Interpretation is everything. The fact that it had to be slowed down and picked apart just to find the contact is everything I need to know. Both the on field referee didn’t feel there was enough in it and VAR as well. I’m fine with that. Just as I’m fine with the non call last week on Bruno where he switched off and rolled around as well. Hell even Lee Dixon didn’t think it was a foul and hes no fan of United lol.


I’m really happy this league is starting to go away from the idea that contact is an automatic whistle. It’s ruining the sport. It’s going to take a bit of adjustment for the players to stop switching off with every 50/50 ball but I’ll take that over constant whistle, reviews, delays, and no flow.

[stlducks]

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Mike Dean completely got it right today. There was contact but not enough to warrant a foul. If Neves jumped and yelled for a foul, I would hope Dean would ignore it like other refs have been doing this year. The way the rule is now is perfect IMO. Minimal contact is not being called, players diving for calls are being ignored (more than previously anyway). Players and managers just need to get used to it.

Keirik - I was happy they asked Ole about the call after his complaining last week because I wanted to see if he flip flopped or not. Instead he actually admitted that he complained last week because it went against them and this week it went for him so that's the way the game is now. Which I think is even worse. He is admitting that since it went against them he complained but since it's for him he didn't. Why can't managers just not f'ing complaing about minimal calls? You have 90 minutes to do something, 5 seconds of a 50/50 call should not be discussed as often as it is.

[3304Life]

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It doesn’t matter if there’s contact or not, he’s over the top of the ball and on the shin pad. It’s dangerous play and I’ve seen red cards for less contact.


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[Keirik]

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Mike Dean completely got it right today. There was contact but not enough to warrant a foul. If Neves jumped and yelled for a foul, I would hope Dean would ignore it like other refs have been doing this year. The way the rule is now is perfect IMO. Minimal contact is not being called, players diving for calls are being ignored (more than previously anyway). Players and managers just need to get used to it.

Keirik - I was happy they asked Ole about the call after his complaining last week because I wanted to see if he flip flopped or not. Instead he actually admitted that he complained last week because it went against them and this week it went for him so that's the way the game is now. Which I think is even worse. He is admitting that since it went against them he complained but since it's for him he didn't. Why can't managers just not f'ing complaing about minimal calls? You have 90 minutes to do something, 5 seconds of a 50/50 call should not be discussed as often as it is.

I agree with you but I’ve yet to meet a manager that didn’t have a complaint when a call goes against them. It’s just the nature of the beast. I don’t mind the managers complaining because that’s just what they do. Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger were kings of that. Sometimes it was for gamesmanship, sometimes it was to deflect attention from a poor performance, and sometimes it was to hopefully set up a better decision in the future. What I find hilarious are the players mid play switching off because they’ve now decided in that moment getting the call supersedes finishing out the play. It’s one of the only sports that does this to the level of insanity. It’s plaguing the sport and it’s getting worse and worse every 5 years or so. It’s nice to have a little swing the other way. Last week it cost United points. This week it helped them gain points. But you’re 100% correct. There are 90 minutes to overcome any decision made it one moment of a game.

[jb12780]

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Call me crazy but I think United win the league.


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