EA Sports PGA TOUR Impressions (Console)

[Freakywwe]

Quote: Originally Posted by ChicagoChris

Not seeing it in there. If anyone wants to take a quick look and sees it, i'd appreciate it. Maybe I missed the window.

Honestly, should look something like this for any EA game that has a trial available:



If not try restarting your console or double checking you got an EA play subscription, it should show there

[jbd345]

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

For sure the best you can do. I think it was assumed by another that my impression implied that the game was too easy. I just want to clarify that until that was brought up as a response no one had mentioned difficulty at all. I haven’t had issues making it hard, just that I see no definition based on where you hit it. Other than pot bunkers, there isn’t a single lie that alters your opportunity to hit the green from your tee shot (that does NOT mean I do it - it just isn’t because of the lie). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Which is why I put “that’s why patches exist” in mine, but you turned my post around as a weird shot at you.

[ChicagoChris]

Quote: Originally Posted by Freakywwe

Honestly, should look something like this for any EA game that has a trial available: If not try restarting your console or double checking you got an EA play subscription, it should show there

Thanks...a restart fixed it

[kehlis]

Quote: Originally Posted by jbd345

Which is why I put “that’s why patches exist” in mine, but you turned my post around as a weird shot at you.

IDK man, you quoted the post that quoted mine so I don't think it was a stretch to assume it was a reaction to the post I made which made no mention whatsoever of difficulty.

[kehlis]

First - Just want to say, this post was well written so please don't feel slighted that I cut the bottom of it out. It is all stuff I agree with so for the sanctity of the thread, just wanted to remove it.

Also - I've been pretty quiet for awhile so I didn't come to the thread just to knock on it. I only came to respond to Chris as he was looking for recommendations and he's set up with the trial which is a win/win for everyone.

But, since the below was a response to my post I'll respond in short.

Quote: Originally Posted by Dawgfan1

I feel like the statements "there is no penalty for missing fairways" need to be more clarified because that's oversimplfying the issue and not true in most cases.

I personally haven't seen it, just haven't. Would love to find a way to get there but not sure what I'm doing wrong. I'm playing on the hardest difficulties and a 7 iron from the rough goes as far as a 7 iron from the fairway for me. Glad you've had a different experience and please understand that I'm not doubting you, I'm just not seeing it myself.

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From my experience and testing there is penalty for missing fairways, but many may not see it because 1) it's harder to miss fairways, and 2) the good lie penalties in this game are for long irons, hybrids, and woods, which you'd have to miss the fairway on a long par 4 or par 5 to notice.

I promise - I've had no problem missing fairways lol. I would argue that there probably is a problem if you only notice it with long irons but I'll leave that alone for now because that actually isn't my issue when I say lie means nothing.

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It also depends on the course, I've found rough lie penalties on Bay Hill and Wolf Creek so far whereas Augusta National does have literally zero lie penalty (that has to be unintentional, right? the second cut looks short in-game but how on earth can you justify that, there has to be SOME lie penalty).

No doubt that different courses yield different results. St. Andrews is infuriating and I'm with you, I doubt it is intentional.

But I'm glad you brought up Augusta. When people talk about lie's and not having to make adjustments, it's not just the penalty in the rough that bothers me.

Augusta is a course where there is no flat lie. The ball is almost always either above your feet or below your feet. In this game, that doesn't matter. If you're in the fairway and the ball is above your feet, you don't need to adjust for it. I learned that the hard way. You can go straight at
the pin regardless of stance. For ME, it just ruins it.

Fairway bunkers are no hazard. You don't have to club up at all. Just use the same club you would as if you were in the fairway.



Again, originally just giving my opinion to Chris, not meant to spark more debate. It's just my opinion on the matter.

[AlanBer]

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Augusta is a course where there is no flat lie. The ball is almost always either above your feet or below your feet. In this game, that doesn't matter. If you're in the fairway and the ball is above your feet, you don't need to adjust for it. I learned that the hard way. You can go straight at the pin regardless of stance. For ME, it just ruins it. Fairway bunkers are no hazard. You don't have to club up at all. Just use the same club you would as if you were in the fairway.

The stuff with the lie-- above or below the ball-- has absolutely no effect, I agree. This is a problem.

A few times, I believe, I sensed the lie (above or below) did have an effect. The way I remember it, this happened when I was hitting a 3-Wood from the fairway or rough.

[Dawgfan1]

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

I personally haven't seen it, just haven't. Would love to find a way to get there but not sure what I'm doing wrong. I'm playing on the hardest difficulties and a 7 iron from the rough goes as far as a 7 iron from the fairway for me. Glad you've had a different experience and please understand that I'm not doubting you, I'm just not seeing it myself.

What courses did you mostly play? The number of courses I've played full rounds on with my hard difficulty is limited, I wouldn't be surprised if links courses like St. Andrews and Bandon Dunes have these lower to totally zero lie penalties in addition to Augusta.

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

I promise - I've had no problem missing fairways lol. I would argue that there probably is a problem if you only notice it with long irons but I'll leave that alone for now because that actually isn't my issue when I say lie means nothing.

I totally agree, I think the penalties should be fair and realistic for all clubs. I just don't think we should say it's bad for all clubs when I've seen and there's been videos with good lie penalties for 5 irons and longer, don't want to give EA (if they are listening to this) inaccurate information. And for courses where lie penalties are minimal/non-existent even for those clubs, it's probably a course-specific issue.

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

But I'm glad you brought up Augusta. When people talk about lie's and not having to make adjustments, it's not just the penalty in the rough that bothers me. Augusta is a course where there is no flat lie. The ball is almost always either above your feet or below your feet. In this game, that doesn't matter. If you're in the fairway and the ball is above your feet, you don't need to adjust for it. I learned that the hard way. You can go straight at the pin regardless of stance. For ME, it just ruins it. Fairway bunkers are no hazard. You don't have to club up at all. Just use the same club you would as if you were in the fairway.

I can agree with that. I think EA did address the below/above feet in a previous patch to make it present when it wasn't before. I don't know enough about golf irl to judge but it does feel like the bunkers, fairway in particular, aren't punishing enough and bunkers in general don't account for the ball being plugged in the sand at all. And it would be nice to have downhill/uphill lies affect our shots, I doubt it's present in this game.

But to go back to a previous test that was done, I went to the 13th at Augusta and looked at what the 2nd shot lie would do. I had a 5.1 degree above feet lie, 2 mph NE wind relative to my shot, roughly 215 yd to the pin, and using the full shot arc it appears a straight shot would take my ball 4-5 yards to the left due to the above feet lie. I don't know if that's realistic or sufficient (whenever I played golf irl my shots would never be consistent with a slope lie lol), my guess would be not and it should be closer to 8-10 yards, but I'll give that info for more knowledgable minds to assess. Slope lies do affect our shots now, but it might still not be enough and need further tuning.

[golfnut67]

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

First - Just want to say, this post was well written so please don't feel slighted that I cut the bottom of it out. It is all stuff I agree with so for the sanctity of the thread, just wanted to remove it. Also - I've been pretty quiet for awhile so I didn't come to the thread just to knock on it. I only came to respond to Chris as he was looking for recommendations and he's set up with the trial which is a win/win for everyone. But, since the below was a response to my post I'll respond in short. I personally haven't seen it, just haven't. Would love to find a way to get there but not sure what I'm doing wrong. I'm playing on the hardest difficulties and a 7 iron from the rough goes as far as a 7 iron from the fairway for me. Glad you've had a different experience and please understand that I'm not doubting you, I'm just not seeing it myself. I promise - I've had no problem missing fairways lol. I would argue that there probably is a problem if you only notice it with long irons but I'll leave that alone for now because that actually isn't my issue when I say lie means nothing. No doubt that different courses yield different results. St. Andrews is infuriating and I'm with you, I doubt it is intentional. But I'm glad you brought up Augusta. When people talk about lie's and not having to make adjustments, it's not just the penalty in the rough that bothers me. Augusta is a course where there is no flat lie. The ball is almost always either above your feet or below your feet. In this game, that doesn't matter. If you're in the fairway and the ball is above your feet, you don't need to adjust for it. I learned that the hard way. You can go straight at the pin regardless of stance. For ME, it just ruins it. Fairway bunkers are no hazard. You don't have to club up at all. Just use the same club you would as if you were in the fairway. Again, originally just giving my opinion to Chris, not meant to spark more debate. It's just my opinion on the matter.

Not sure why you're being so apologetic, you are exactly right. It's not even debatable...there are no meaningful penalties for being in the rough or sand in this game. I'm confident they will tune it and fix some of the other major issues we've all pointed out. If they don't...well...I don't want to visualize that scenario.

I can live with wonky oversized clubs and putters half the size of your shoes, and stances that point the toe of the putter towards the sky (I'm looking at you, Rory 2015!).

But this stuff, they have to fix.