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Old 07-13-2014, 01:10 AM   #73
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How is trying to teach gamers football strategy not honest improvement?
For some the track record distorts reality. If you see things as they are now and not as they were in the past, the improvement is clear with Madden 15. Some people here have to see the things they want to see before they will give EA credit, that's fine, but don't sit here and criticize those of us who see things with a here and now vs the way things were back then mentality. I see most people on here are starting to understand the shift that has been put in motion, for others I think 16 will have that effect.

These games will never be perfect and we will never see everything we want, but a clear effort and improvement each year will yield great results over time. Lets all hope Cam and his team are around for many years and we can actually see this vision that he and Rex have for authentic simulation football fulfilled.
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Old 07-13-2014, 02:14 AM   #74
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For some the track record distorts reality. If you see things as they are now and not as they were in the past, the improvement is clear with Madden 15. Some people here have to see the things they want to see before they will give EA credit, that's fine, but don't sit here and criticize those of us who see things with a here and now vs the way things were back then mentality. I see most people on here are starting to understand the shift that has been put in motion, for others I think 16 will have that effect.

These games will never be perfect and we will never see everything we want, but a clear effort and improvement each year will yield great results over time. Lets all hope Cam and his team are around for many years and we can actually see this vision that he and Rex have for authentic simulation football fulfilled.
Please take a minute before you read my post and don't look for any angle in it, just try to have a discussion with me about it on the merits.

I have been playing football video games for a looong time and I've been trying to find ways to enjoy Madden ever since Madden 2006. No need for the "it's hard" "it takes time" stuff, this team under Cam is now under their third full year, yet the things I'm pointing out still exist, also please stop with the "perfect game" stuff because nothing most people have or ever mention about adding to Madden is anywhere near perfect or not done before.

A clear example of what I'm referring to is back when they added tuner sets, that were supposed to allow for changes to the gameplay without needing a full on patch, that's a tool that already exists or at least did. As soon as they announced that feature I began asking could they release a "sim" tuner where the gameplay parameters would be the most difficult in relation to playing smart football for success........crickets. I'm not even sure if they ever released any tuner sets, much less a "sim" set. Also there was supposed to be DPP(Dynamic Player Performance) updates released, yet another EXISTING feature that could be used differently in another setting/mode to influence how the game is successfully played.

To that you might say, this was stuff under a different team, so let's talk about Madden 13 and it's gameplay features. I''l just post this link because it's too long to go over every claim in it, read over it and help me understand wtf happened to all this stuff once it was implemented. http://www.easports.com/news/article...fl-13-gameplay Now take a gander at this for M15 and see if you notice some similar claims being made. http://www.easports.com/madden-nfl/n...e-passing-game This is not isolated either because I have made the same point about the Infinity Engine in another thread and it happens with other areas of the game.

I'm not posting this to bash the game, it's the only NFL game we have so I want to enjoy it and it's not to hate on Cam, Rex, etc either, because they seem like good football passionate guys to me. This is just me trying to offer up a "red pill" about Madden. A lack of good football ideas is the least of the issues, as well as limited dev time, resources, legacy code, console power, etc. The biggest hurdle every year, no matter the team, with Madden being as realistic as possible, imo, is that everything has to be implemented to fit into the way Madden is played, instead of changing Madden to be played more like real football.

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It does kinda irk me that tuner sets have been an add-on for a few years and were never used. Don't understand why they haven't done any.
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Then don't buy the game and don't pay attention to it if it doesn't meet your standards? I don't see what's so hard about that.
Sure, don't buy the game. But don't pay attention to it? It's the only NFL Licensed video football game. It's the only one we have to pay attention too. I didn't realize this forum was only for those that are satisfied with Madden. I'm shocked that such a closed minded response would come from a mod.
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Different strokes I guess, but I'd actually prefer these drills to progress specific skills to whom exactly I want in CFM as opposed to just playing 11v11 full game against a generic practice squad (who often prove to be better than my starters).

Mainly because i think its nice to not have to play a game in between playing games in the regular season.
You're right, different strokes. I prefer realism (more realistic control) over things that are arcade and unrealistic. I prefer to have to hire a mix of coaches with a mix of attributes, draft the right players, and setup a practice schedule (both individual and team drills) and have players progress the way football players progress in real life. I don't like my teams progression based on me deciding who runs through drills to force progression on just certain players and force how much progression. A more realistic progression makes me feel immersed in the game (like I do in The Show and NBA2K) the other just constantly makes me feel like I'm sticking a quarter into a machine.

I'm very glad for you if you end up with what you want. I understand why you would want it and I would be upset if it were taken away from you. But I also want an option for something much more realistic.
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We're talking about video games, they all ultimately fall under the same umbrella.
No they don't. Turn based space games are not at all like sports sims.

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A sports game doesn't have to be realistic to be fun.
It does if you are looking for a true sports sim.

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As to rope this back around to being remotely on-topic, there's no problem with Madden's gauntlet having "boss battles", even though they aren't going to begin to approach realism.
It's adding a gameplay scenario to a game purely for the enjoyment of the challenge using a set of already really solid gameplay mechanics. Why is there anything wrong with that? Does it really matter that the gauntlet isn't "sim"?
Agree, there is nothing wrong with it as long as you are not forced to use those drills for CFM progression.

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I've hammered on this on here.

More than anything else, sports games' biggest failing to this point has been accessibility and teaching its users how to play. This is evident in the fact that no gaming-oriented people around me will even attempt to play Madden, NBA 2K, The Show, or even WWE with me, because I'm a veteran of sports games and a hardcore sports fan in general. I know how to play these games, while they are helplessly behind with few to no in-game mechanisms available with which to catch up.

This is a necessary step for expanding the pool of potential customers for the Madden series, particularly as the NFL's popularity continues to grow. One they probably won't see any credit for on this message board, but - assuming the mode is well-executed - one they deserve credit for nevertheless.

I downloaded demos for the EA NHL game and the NBA 2K game a few years ago because I heard they were great games, but I don't follow the sports at all. I know the general rules of the games, but there is just way too much detail in these games for me to be able to play them without them having a detailed manual that explains every feature and mode in the game
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Holy cow did you actually play an entire practice game instead of one of the other 9 choices that you had to choose from to get XP?
Of course not! I'd play the shortest one possible because it was so boring.

It wasn't any different than the core game and I thought it was pretty boring.
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