What's happened to the CPU scrambling QBs?

[capa]

Yep...that's the problem. They don't give 2 craps about testing against the cpu. Their data tells them that's not how the majority of people play. It stinks and is a huge oversight, but every time they update something it is for the benefit of h2h. They revert back to old code so often it is absurd.

But yeah...EA and cpu are almost mutually exclusive terms.

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[edgevoice]

Quote: Originally Posted by capa

Yep...that's the problem. They don't give 2 craps about testing against the cpu. Their data tells them that's not how the majority of people play. It stinks and is a huge oversight, but every time they update something it is for the benefit of h2h. They revert back to old code so often it is absurd. But yeah...EA and cpu are almost mutually exclusive terms. C

Unless unannounced changes were made regarding the latest patch, it's puzzling to me that no gameplay adjustments were aimed at CPU QB play. Those here on the board with computer and game design experience have long spoken of the dangers of patches causing unintended consequences in other areas. I'm boarding that bandwagon of thinking. In my opinion, the game was playing at it's very best before the last 2 patches dropped.

While not gamebreaking for me personally, the CPU QB AI issue is significant enough to impact gameplay in a way that truly puts the CPU at a major disadvantage at times. I suppose I will be relegated to exploring trait alterations, which I would rather not spend my time on. I'd rather just play the game.

[tommycoa]

Before games I make sure the team’s I’m playing qbs aren’t set to oblivious or ideal sense pressure or the pocket basset qb type. These three settings are tough to watch. Qbs get sacked more. It’s almost back to the qb statue glitch with these settings. When i switch this stuff, qb play is pretty good.

I’ll list the qb traits again to NOT use:

Sense pressure: oblivious or ideal—-don’t use them

Pocket passer qb type. DON’T use it.

I set most qbs to balanced.

Top flight qbs should be trigger happy.

Middle of the line average.

Rookies and guys that struggle should be paranoid.

I still think qb play in 2019 was a little better, but you had to do the same thing with the traits. Last year, they’d take off a little better and not as frequent when set to scrambler.

Quote: Originally Posted by edgevoice

Unless unannounced changes were made regarding the latest patch, it's puzzling to me that no gameplay adjustments were aimed at CPU QB play. Those here on the board with computer and game design experience have long spoken of the dangers of patches causing unintended consequences in other areas. I'm boarding that bandwagon of thinking. In my opinion, the game was playing at it's very best before the last 2 patches dropped. While not gamebreaking for me personally, the CPU QB AI issue is significant enough to impact gameplay in a way that truly puts the CPU at a major disadvantage at times. I suppose I will be relegated to exploring trait alterations, which I would rather not spend my time on. I'd rather just play the game.

[awilmot]

I played against the Will Grier led panthers this morning and he took off for like 7/85/1 td. Felt like I was playing Cam Newton in his prime.

[stooge 1010]

I hope they fix this, I was playing against Seahawks, I was putting pressure on Russell Wilson and he had at least 30 yards to run and instead threw the ball away. He could’ve at least ran for 20 or 30 yards.


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[IcedCoffee1983]

So I just played another game against a 2nd year generated QB in my Patriots CFM (I am 4 years into the future).

This QB took off on me 5 times, got 60 yards and came super close to a TD except my SF stopped him.

So I will walk back my criticism that CPU QB’s never run.

However I have also played Mahomes, Jackson, and Wilson in that CFM and they were not running like they do in real life. Not even close if at all.

I’m more confused than I was before. QB AI just doesn’t seem right and it’s strange some QB’s do run against me but others who should never seem to.

[Devaster]

Quote: Originally Posted by IcedCoffee1983

So I just played another game against a 2nd year generated QB in my Patriots CFM (I am 4 years into the future). This QB took off on me 5 times, got 60 yards and came super close to a TD except my SF stopped him. So I will walk back my criticism that CPU QB’s never run. However I have also played Mahomes, Jackson, and Wilson in that CFM and they were not running like they do in real life. Not even close if at all. I’m more confused than I was before. QB AI just doesn’t seem right and it’s strange some QB’s do run against me but others who should never seem to.

Just played Trubisky and he was taking off on me all game. Had to start blitzing him and spying.

[tg88forHOF]

Quote: Originally Posted by IcedCoffee1983

So I just played another game against a 2nd year generated QB in my Patriots CFM (I am 4 years into the future). This QB took off on me 5 times, got 60 yards and came super close to a TD except my SF stopped him. So I will walk back my criticism that CPU QB’s never run. However I have also played Mahomes, Jackson, and Wilson in that CFM and they were not running like they do in real life. Not even close if at all. I’m more confused than I was before. QB AI just doesn’t seem right and it’s strange some QB’s do run against me but others who should never seem to.

We may have touched on it as we've been talking back and forth about Mahomes' scrambling (or lack thereof) in real life:

Everybody's making the assumption that there's something about the QB's stats or traits that triggers scrambles...what if it's something about the defense that's causing it...either playcalling or personnel?

In real life, Mahomes is far more likely to take off against man coverage...are there certain plays, formations, or defensive players that will cause QBs to run or not? And for those seeing some higher-tier QBs not scramble much and others (auto-gen rookies) do it more, could AWR (or some other stat) make the lower-tier guys more likely to do it against any defensive call?

It might be worth it for one of the folks saying they don't see many runs from a guy like Jackson to play multiple games against him with the same defensive roster, but varying playcalling...heavy zone one iteration, heavy man the next, contain vs. not, lots of blitzes vs. 3 or 4 man rushes, heavy use of base vs. sub personnel, etc.

It feels like we're over focusing on one or two variables, when there could be a lot more that affect it.