LaDanian Tomlinson still a Madden Elite? WTF?!

[PrettyT11]

Quote: Originally Posted by j4ever

Also, the reason you think Howard is a coverage LB and not a rush LB is BECAUSE HE PLAYS FOR THE RAIDERS!!!!! There are 31 other teams in the NFL....then there is the Raiders. Raiders ALMOST NEVER blitz. The amount of times they blitz in a season can be counted on 2 hands. That is why you think that. When Howard blitzed in the preseason last year he was a force. He was always in the QBs face. They just don't blitz.

LOL NO the reason why I and everybody else thinks he is primarily a coverage LB is because that is what he has always been. He has never been a blitzing LB. He was a weakside coverage LB going all the back to freshman year at Texas El Paso. You don't and can't just change overnight to something you have never been and expect to be a elite level player at your new spot. Especially when you aren't already elite level at what you already do. Aaron Kampman is a PERFECT example. He was an All Pro DE and was always at the top of the league in sacks. The Packers switched to a 3-4 and are trying to turn him into a outside LB and he has struggled big time.

Also if you know about football you should know that the pre season means absolutely NOTHING. I don't take anything that happens in the pre season serious. For one most of the time they are playing against the second and third string players. Martellus Bennett for my Cowboys is another perfect example. He was dominating the pre season and everybody was calling for him to have a monster year. He hasn't busted a damn grape yet. Hell the Lions went 4 and 0 last preseason. We all know how thier year turned out.

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The Raiders DEFENSE IS MADE UP OF THE BEST FOOTBALL PLAYERS IN THE NFL. If a starter gets cut - they will be snatched up IN A HEARTBEAT. They play man coverage on the corners almost ALL GAME. What other team does it that much? NONE. Safeties play deep and are HIGHLY accountable....unlike most. LBs have to cover sideline to sideline. DTs are in charge of rushing and stopping the run. They are spread wide. Every good player that coems to the Raiders notices that there are some AWESOME football players there.....and they immediatly think they are close to being a winning team. THEN they find the truth in that the scheme Al Davis has in place will NOT ALLOW IT.

NO THEY ARE NOT MADE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN FOOTBALL. If they where then they wouldn't be as bad as they are now. Look it's cool that you know the type of defensive system they run however you should also know that guys like Tom Kelly, Gerard Warren, Ricky Brown, Hiram Eugene, Tyvon Branch, Chris Johnson, Greg Ellis, and Micheal Huff are not elite level players. Yes Aso is an all universe CB and the best in the business outside of him and Seymour, who just got there, nobody else on that roster is close to elite level. Howard and Morrison are damn good LB's but again they are not elite. There are at least 5 other guys at thier position that I would take over them. Therefore they are not elite.

You want to bring up the fact that when a starter for thier team gets cut they get snatched up real quick what team doesn't?? When starter are released they quickly find a new team unless they are old and over the hill. Hell the Jags got like 4 guys from thier starting defense last year who where released and are playing on other teams now. So are they made of the best players in the NFL too??

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There is no telling how good or bad Heyward-Bey is. What would Jerry Rice have been if he's QB for his career was JaMarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf? lol Not calling DHB Rice...just saying. A WR can't be judged until he has a decent QB.

Please just stop it you are making a bigger and bigger hole for yourself. Yes you can judge a WR without a decent QB. It's not hard to tell if a reciever has what it takes to be a success. You can look at thing like his route running, how he attacks or doesn't attack the ball while it is in the air, how well his is out of his breaks, and so on and so on. Right now Heyward-Bey sucks at all of the above and always had. There is a reason why he was thought of as a second round reciever at best. Those skills above is also the reason why Louis Murphy is outplaying Heyward-Bey and is looking like the better NFL reciever.

Im not saying Heyward-Bey can't become a good WR but its not a fluke that the very same things they said he struggled with in college is the same exact things that is causing him to struggle big time in the NFL. Until he gets those thing together he will continue to look like he has now.

[Antec]

Quote: Originally Posted by j4ever

THEN they find the truth in that the scheme Al Davis has in place will NOT ALLOW IT.

I may be wrong as I don't really follow the raiders all that much. But does Al Davis really have anything to do with the defensive schemes? I know he has a say in the horrible drafting and free agent signings, but don't the coaches deal with the schemes and play-calling? Otherwise why would you have them.

[j4ever]

Quote: Originally Posted by Antec

I may be wrong as I don't really follow the raiders all that much. But does Al Davis really have anything to do with the defensive schemes? I know he has a say in the horrible drafting and free agent signings, but don't the coaches deal with the schemes and play-calling? Otherwise why would you have them.

Bellicheck refers to Davis as Coach Davis for a reason. Every D-Coordinator runs the same D in Oakland...why? Al Davis.

And Chris Johnson would easily be the best CB on any team he plays for if he wasn't on Oakland. The guy is the fastest player on the team and can cover. If he didn't have to play opposite of Nnamdi he'd be getting Revis style attention around the league for his man cover skills.

Huff is stuck on an island too.....The guy could be an All-Pro Safety. He looked like a bust with Oakland and it's all because of the scheme. Though it was never fair to call him a bust because last year was his first time since being a pro that he played his natural position....FS. The guy could be a star on any other squad.

Fact is, the DLINE gets no help....the LBs get no help...the DBs get no help. Oakland's D can be destroyed by any gameplanned offense and semi-smart QB regardless of the players on the team. You run that defense with an All-Pro team against a normal good-decent offense and it will get lit up week in and week out.

[Steve Slaton #1 Fan]

Tomlinson is so overrated drop his ratings now. Yes, in his prime he was very skilled but do you remember Michael Turner on the Chargers? Whenever they put Turner in he would do as good if not better as a runner.

[KBLover]

Quote: Originally Posted by j4ever

it doesn't matter what the "problem" is. if that was the case Darren McFadden should be a 95 overall....LOL. He isn't producing thus his rating is where it should be.

Of course, he wouldn't get a 95 even on his own ability. He's fast, but does he make good cuts? Does he have good vision? Is he a good receiver out of the backfield? He's probably average right now overall and with a bad line, he's putting up a poor ypc. In fact, I think they got him right. If anything the Raiders O-Line might be too good at RBS/RBF in the game.

A player's ratings should be based on the player's abilities. Not what the rest of his team is or isn't doing. Crap WR with Peyton Manning shouldn't get boosted just because they are with Peyton Manning. Give JaMarcus Russell a WR corps of Moss, Wayne, Welker, and Steve Smith (either one) and that shouldn't make those WR drop or Russell go up. None of their abilities changed.

Their ratings should be the result of their individual abilities, which then influences the stats they produce.

[JMD]

Quote: Originally Posted by j4ever

This guy has been living off his past accomplishments for the last 2 years in Madden. Last year AT BEST he should have been an 84 overall. AT BEST. Donny....fix this crap.

And the cowboys have been living off what they did in the 90's for years.

[DrewBledsoe]

Quote: Originally Posted by j4ever

Bellicheck refers to Davis as Coach Davis for a reason. Every D-Coordinator runs the same D in Oakland...why? Al Davis. And Chris Johnson would easily be the best CB on any team he plays for if he wasn't on Oakland. The guy is the fastest player on the team and can cover. If he didn't have to play opposite of Nnamdi he'd be getting Revis style attention around the league for his man cover skills. Huff is stuck on an island too.....The guy could be an All-Pro Safety. He looked like a bust with Oakland and it's all because of the scheme. Though it was never fair to call him a bust because last year was his first time since being a pro that he played his natural position....FS. The guy could be a star on any other squad. Fact is, the DLINE gets no help....the LBs get no help...the DBs get no help. Oakland's D can be destroyed by any gameplanned offense and semi-smart QB regardless of the players on the team. You run that defense with an All-Pro team against a normal good-decent offense and it will get lit up week in and week out.

I must watch the Raiders when I get a chance....I'm intrigued by this D scheme, where they apparently never blitz, yet everyone is in man coverage with no help.

That'll be 2 spare waterboys per play then...no wonder they struggle with only 9 men on the field...

[bkrich83]

Raiders fan going on about the demise of LT. Shocking.

LT is bad, but the Raiders are supremely talented. I have now heard it all

LT is coming off an ankle injury and the Chargers are playing without several starters on the offensive line, including their pro bowl center.

Is he the same player? No. Is he as bad as Raider fan says, nope.