Breaking Down Sliders... How They Really Work

[slthree]

Quote: Originally Posted by bill2451

sliders on page 7 were total guesses I made at work based on my theory... I made those sliders based solely on my understanding of how the sliders effected the game, without ever testing them at all there is another set I created around page 28 i think... that one is a more updated version... but again I didnt actually play any games with them, but people were asking for sliders so I gave them what I had so far while testing in practice I am still testing and a complete full set I've actually played with and tweaked is not out yet... however around page 28 you will get basically a non tweaked version (aka the basic principals of my set are there, but the difficulty could be off)

I don't have a page 28. I think I only go up to 9.

I have my settings so that more posts show per page.

Whats the actual post number? I may actually have used your most recent set which may explain why I had such a great game.

[bill2451]

oh haha, then yeah it's prolly the most recent one... post #270

[g2thecore]

Quote: Originally Posted by slthree

Slow down brotha. I don't recall "name calling". Don't get all high strung, internet anonymous tough guy on me. I'm not down with that. Bill understood my post and responded appropriately. Enough said. Bill took care of Bill and didn't need anyone running to his defense. Also, had you waited just a few moments before you went off, you would have seen my post that preceeds yours. On another note: g2, your slider set based on Bill's theories is really good and those were the sliders I liked the most. You and Bill should really just merge into one slider set as they will most likely be similar anyway. Peace and Respect

Lol...I wasn't being a tough guy bro, I believe I was very amiable in my post...But that's over now...Thanks for trying out my sliders. I agree with you, me and the evil genius Bill should collaborate...lol

[OrangeBlood]

I did a full game test with the sliders I posted earlier in the thread that are a hybrid of bill's second "set" of sliders and some tweaks of my own.

First off I will say I need to do more in game testing/tweaking with these sliders but the thing that stands out is the number of turnovers, 7 by Washington and 5 by me (Baltimore).

Now I will say 2 of the interceptions on my side were completely my fault. One was a ball where it just went sailing off target by 10+ yards, the other was one where I was hit.

For the CPU I don't know if it was because of the pressure or because the defenders are reacting to fast for the computer. This is where more testing is needed.

One thing that I do need to do is to lower the fumble slider, there were 3 fumbles in the game (2 by the CPU, 1 by me).

Other than the turnovers things looked really good.

Here are the stats:

Washington	7	7	0	0	14
Baltimore	0	7	3	21	31

Washington			Baltimore
14		Score		31
247		Total Off	354
131		Rush Yds	178
116		Pass Yards	176
12		First Downs	18
0		PR Yds		0
152		KR Yds		64
7		Turnovers	5
5-12 (41%)	3rd down Conv	5-11 (45%)
22:48		Possession	37:12

Passing

Player			Team	Rating	Comp	Att	Yds	Comp%	TD	INT
Joe Flacco		BAL	54.3	15	26	193	57	1	4

Jason Campbell		WAS	16.1	11	27	127	40	0	5

Rushing

Player			Team	Att	Yds	Avg	TD
Willis McGahee		BAL	16	114	7.1	1
Ray Rice		BAL	17	50	2.9	0

Clinton Portis		WAS	18	82	4.5	0
Ladell Betts		WAS	10	47	4.7	0

Receiving

Player			Team	Rec	Yds	Avg	TD
Todd Heap		BAL	4	72	18.0	0
Derrick Mason		BAL	4	46	11.5	0
MArk Clayton		BAL	2	37	18.5	0

Ladell Betts		WAS	3	58	19.3	0
Antwaan Randell El	WAS	2	27	13.5	0
Santana Moss		WAS	1	16	16.0	0

Sacks:

Baltimore - 2
Washington - 3

Another thing that I need to look at is the fatigue, injury and auto-sub sliders. By the end of the 3rd quarter I a lot of my starters (specifically Ray Rice) never made it back into the game. Same with a lot of Washington's defense which is what led to a lot of Willis McGahee's rushing yards and my 21 points in the 4th quarter.

This game honestly should have ended 17-14 with me having 40 less rushing yards.

There were a lot of injuries as well. It may have only a play or two or a series but I don't think some of these injuries should have happend.

[bill2451]

i think i'm just going to turn the fatigue slider down to like 25 until I actually try to figure that one out (or find a set that works)... right now its stupid to put it up if its just going to result in ridiculous substitutions, and I have more important things to work on before i get to it...

so for now, i think i'm just going to have to put it on the back burner

[KBLover]

Wow, nice game OrangeBlood.

BTW, how did you get that nice layout? You typed it by hand?

[OrangeBlood]

Quote: Originally Posted by KBLover

Wow, nice game OrangeBlood. BTW, how did you get that nice layout? You typed it by hand?

I typed all the stats into notepad with tabs in between then copied into here using the code tags.

[OrangeBlood]

Quote: Originally Posted by bill2451

i think i'm just going to turn the fatigue slider down to like 25 until I actually try to figure that one out (or find a set that works)... right now its stupid to put it up if its just going to result in ridiculous substitutions, and I have more important things to work on before i get to it... so for now, i think i'm just going to have to put it on the back burner

What are your thoughts on the number of interceptions by the CPU? I am going to play quite a few more games before I make any changes, especially play against the better quarterbacks in the league. That interception number was shocking though. If I do need to make any changes I think I will start with the interception slider as I really like the work you have done with the wide reciever/corner interaction.

I have noticed though that fast corners (namely DeAngelo Hall) really jump routes quite often even though their OVR is lower than say a Carlos Rodgers who doesn't have the speed, agility and accleration that Hall does yet its a lot easier to hit an out route on Rodgers despite his higher OVR and better man coverage rating.

At first glance it seems that this would be realistic but if you go into practice run an out route against Hall and you will see it is really hard to complete a pass. Then throw it against Rodgers and you will be able to complete the pass regularly. I don't know that there is a fix for this as if you adjust for one the other would always give up the completion. I'm going to watch gome game film to see how quickly a guy like Hall breaks on a ball as opposed to a guy like Rodgers.

It may just be extremely realistic that its a lot harder to complete passes like that against guys like Hall.