this guy hit the nail on the head on a number of points. the only thing he forgot was the toss play...is anyone else still have the problem with the announcer still calling the wrong names?
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I am not a Madden online veteran, but this year I have continued to play online "ranked" matches. I have never been glitched, but played against folks that have different game plans. The author of the article doesn't like players who audible, run no-huddle, etc. To me none of those are cheats just my opponents strategy that I have to thwart.
I have not faced a situation that I did not adapt to using what is considered on OS "sim" football strategy. Madden has many options on defense most people don't know how to use or when to use them; same on offense.
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i'm lost. he won tho...i dont think he was saying no-huddle was a glitch. he just said it should be limited. the fact that quarter blitz stops the run, man align doesn't work and that corners are clueless vs twins burns me up tho.
no one else having problems with the wrong names?Comment
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there is a lot of stuff in there this guy complains about, that, if he was more knowledgeable, he wouldn't have had know problem with. no huddle is a stupid thing to complain about. it is very easy to audible your defenders, people who complain about this, or even the next couple things he complains about, are really complaining about defense. they expect the cpu to do everything for them, it doesn't on offense. why should it on defense? when the guy came out in the spread formation, why not flip the play, that was your real problem. when they came out in the twins formation, did you try flipping your play? that would have solved your problem, but really you should know that the cpu is trying to help you confuse the other guy. the thing people don't understand is, there is no way to stop an offense that knows what there doing, the best thing to do is confuse them. on every play you pick on offense there is always an option to throw to, no matter what play you pick on defense. if you are on defense the only thing you can do is a) if you absolutely know which play they are doing, you can play as the person you know the offense is supposed to attack, i.e playing that middle lb on the te doing the shake route, which he described, b) make adjustments to perfect your play on defense, or c) be a good pass rusher, and another thing to remember is, is that if you give them time, someone will always get open. when you were running your power running, were you audibling your offensive line? were you just trying to break it to the outside everytime? i really think it was your lack of football knowledge on that part that caused your poor running. so many people try to run that as a outside run, but in reality it is a off-tackle play. you can break it to the outside if you get the chance, but your blocking is usually trying to get them up field right at the tackle. onside kicks really? is this your first madden? i'm not gonna tell you how you can stop this, but the answer is in the madden controls topic in this forum. 4th downs, i hate this one too, but just get more adept to making good adjustments on defense, and start to enjoy the good field position you gain. you have to remember your not playing any real nfl coaches, just normal people and there football knowledge, there strategy. if they think they could get it on 4th down, which is the reason they go for it, show them how stout your defense can be. it's funny how people can watch a football game, and that same game looks different to everyone.Comment
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LOL...
It was difficult trying to finish reading this. Like most 'great articles' that get posted in the forums here, this writer isn't a Madden player. I could tell in 4 lines. He's a football fan that bought the NFL video game.
I can tell he knows quite a bit about some overall details of football. More than most writers with issues about Madden's exploits, but he seemed to have little understanding about WHY his run formations were getting stonewalled OR what to do when he notices his linebacker was too far away to cover his man.
He wanted to rely on the CPU to do everything. He didn't seem to be aware enough of his coverage decisions to be able to react to his opponent's 'exploits.' His slow reaction and lack of familiarity with his coverages was exploited.
Throughout this article I was thinking about the things I would have done against that opponent. Needless to say, the outcome when a MADDEN PLAYER meets these type of players the outcome is completely different.
Only casual players get exploited this way. Probably because they are casual players.
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Having reread the article again... It is my opinion that the writer SUCKS at Madden because he's overwhelmed by all the adjustments he has to make.
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I'm almost positive that his point was this game isn't realistic online. It's moving into the realm of arcade football games. I refuse to play online because people cheese all the time. I'm well aware I will never be the best madden player, or even a top 1,000 player, but it's not fun to lose online to people who use cheap tactics and gimmicks to win online. I have no problems with losing just play me like a real football team.
To his point: A. No team in the NFL now could run a hurry up offense all 4 quarters, it is hands down impossible. B. No team could stuff the run out of a quarter defense. Run it up the middle and boom almost guaranteed, runs of 4 or more yards.Comment
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His point - that Madden is all about gimmicks - is prevalent because he doesn't know how to PLAY the game. He's used to WATCHING and want's Madden to resemble what he watches on TV. He's ignored the difference between PLAYING the game and WATCHING the game.
While he may have taken issue with his opponent's tactics - they specifically target players like himself. I'll guess that he only uses the most basic plays like Man Under 2 despite the other dozens of defenses he could use that do not have the same weaknesses...
It's not impossible to run a no-huddle offense the entire game.
Regarding running against quarters. Most players see Quarters and assume they can run for 5+ yards simply because of the personnel. That reasoning ignores the other 2/3 of the strategic equation. It only takes ONE player to make a tackle and every player on the field is capable of bringing a ball carrier down - IF NOT they would be watching the game instead of playing. If a DB is in the right spot at the right time he can bring a ball carrier down.
That said, if you run 20 times against Quarters, skilled players shouldn't have a problem achieving an average of 7+ over the course of a game. Problem is unskilled players, like the writer of the article, will abandon the run after the fresh legged DB's drop the ball carrier for a few short gains when they should keep bashing those little guys in the mouth.
There's a mental aspect of this game that most of the people don't understand. Also, the base plays that are causing people to question the fundamentals of football and how they relate to Madden are usually ill adapted to the fronts they are seeing. They assume the most vanilla of football is supposed to work ALL the time.
But like I said earlier... This writer isn't a MADDEN PLAYER. He's just a dude that sometimes plays Madden.
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This article pretty much summed up how I have been feeling about M12 but didn't quite know how to type up and was a therapeutic read. Thanks OP for posting this and I hope someone with influence on the Madden developer staff takes it to heart.
Every game I play in M12, win, lose or draw, I never feel like I competed in football tactics but just an arcade game. The writer makes a great point about double moves being consecutively effective, even though these should be "setup" moves. Also, it is beyond ridiculous to come out in Man coverage and constantly have CB's covering RB's and TE's with LB's on WR's. I don't understand how anyone can seriously defend Madden as being anything but fundamentally an arcade game at this point.
Last night I played a game in which my opponent kicked an onside kick that rolled out of bounds but the game still allowed him to recover it. This alone is really no biggie because mistakes should be expected in a video game. However, added with the fact that out of bounds has little relevance to anyone else but the ball carrier, evidenced by players being allowed to run out of bounds to avoid contact and make plays with no consequence, the issue seems potentially systemic, like so many others.
I feel the writer a 100% and just want a mode/setting in Madden where Madden, NFL Blitz, Tecmo Bowl or any other tactics can be used but their success is regulated by simulated NFL parameters.
The silver lining to all this is that M13 may very well commit to this concept and I can't wait.Comment
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I'm sorry sir, but I disagree with you, and I wholeheartedly agree with the writer of the posted article. I only play offline, because online play is a nightmare. It is exactly what the writer said, "I'll bet I can exploit the AI better than you can." And that's all it is. Don't tell me it's because I'm a casual fan, I play Madden a LOT, and I go online and WIN (just like the writer) against all these ***holes running exploits.
Then you go on to comment on his "football knowledge" which is laughable. Do you think you're knowledgeable about football because you've played 127,578 hours of Madden? What exactly constitutes being knowledgeable about football to you? Knowing what stunts are? Being able to recognize zone vs man immediately? Being able to name every single starting player in the NFL? I'm sure you know all of those things.
Here's the thing though. That isn't the writer's point. He's not talking about how good he is or knowledgeable he is. He's talking about how FUN playing Madden online is. And with all of the people online running the same four plays all game, going for 4th down every time no matter distance or situation, kicking onside kicks every time, playing quarter blitzes against the run, etc... Playing a game against them is intolerable! There is nothing even remotely resembling fun.
AND YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY TELL ME THAT IS FUN.A gentleman is a man who knows how to play the accordion, but doesn't.Comment
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and this is all because you don't know how to play football. you might have a general idea, but really your just watching real football games, thinking you understand them 100% completely, when in reality you have no idea what is going on. you than take that false understanding and try to apply it to madden. no one has ever glitched, or cheesed in game against you, nor have you countered with better glitches or cheeses, just your lack of football knowledge against there lack of football knowledgeComment
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i thought it was a great read.
if you "you just dont know football" guys knew how you sounded you'd laugh at yourselves. the rest of us are idiots and u guys are all-knowing. we get it. there's always some idiot who says "juke glitch? it doesnt matter if you know how to tackle." LOL! ur ignoring the most important point, that isnt football and glitches need patching. not rationalizing.
i'd like to know how you brilliant football minds would stop that stuff, because i don't know how and i'm not afraid to admit it. please enlighten us about how to run vs quarter, how to make your CB follow in twins, and how to move all your players around to cover since man align doesnt work before some guy quick-snaps you. i was the guy who commented about the 50yd fg game-winning when ur opponent knows the exploit to get in early, soooo?? how do you stop that? help me out oh gods of the gridiron!
the other point that i totally agree with is how players dont adapt to plays run over and over. high-rated guys should do this faster/better. make the game play defense for us? that makes no sense. i'm a chicago fan, i expect julius peppers to get pressure vs average and subpar tackles, urlacher and briggs to make plays and tillman to cover at a solid level. that what those guys do. thats why they rate players, because some are better/worse than others. the first time i need to control revis to make him a shut-down corner is the day i never play again.Comment
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Depends on what you consider "FUN."
I find it FUN to apply my what I know about football within Madden's control structure against the multitude of scenarios that present themselves; whatever those situations may be. If my opponent is going for it on 4th down, running quarter blitzes, onside kicking, etc... I deal with it via my understanding of football's X's and O's and my ability to control players.
I play practically ALL of my games online because of the thrill of not knowing what I'll face from game to game. The way I play Madden, I'm going to have fun playing it win or lose.
There's NOTHING my opponent can do to make the game less fun for me - except quit.
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