MLB 09: The Show Patch Released 4/27/09 - Impressions and Discussion Here

[choadler]

Quote: Originally Posted by n8rockerasu

The problem with statements like this is that they start to concern "feelings" more than business. I hate to sound cold about it, but I don't really care how hard the developers tried when putting this game together. If promises are made about a product to help boost sales, the product needs to deliver on those promises. If you bought a brand new car that was supposed to have leather seats, but when it showed up, you found out it had tweed seats, would you not be upset? Even if they told you the car runs great, you would be disappointed, and it would matter to you. I agree with everybody that The Show is the best game of baseball around (although I might like 08 better than 09 actually), but I will never understand how having parts of the game that simply do not work is defensible. I'm not wishing that they would have done things differently with the game, or added things that aren't there. I just want the things that are there to work properly...for it to be a complete product. You guys throwing that "entitlement" argument around are so disillusioned it's sick. The "sony god" will not smite you if you show the slightest bit of disappointment in the game. It's ok. Really.

Except that every sports video game has glitches or errors. That is a given and has never been changed. Your analogy fails in many respects.

You have many avenues as a consumer to determine if the video game has errors that will effect your enjoyment or cause you to stop playing it. I think this is why you are on this message board no? One of those avenues is to fully researching a game before you buy it. You are buying a $60 video game. Not a $30,000 car. All of these issues have been on this board for a month if not more. If these were game breaking glitches to you, you shouldn't have bought it.

Now, they issued a patch and hopefully they will address what the patch messed up. If they don't, then I can understand a few being upset. Again, your car analogy fails. If they delivered the car with the wrong seat, you could be upset, but you have to give them the opportunity to fix it.

[choadler]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

yup, forum is slowly heading down the IGN and GameFAQS forum paths. Unfortunate to say the least.

I agree. If I was SCEA, I would back away from this mess. People are a bunch of babies.

[n8rockerasu]

Quote: Originally Posted by jim416

The people who throw out the "loyalist" and, how many times have I seen "apologist" thrown about??? There's been no apologizing for the games flaws, but to what degree? Is that the rub? The the same people who go way overboard, causing others to step in with an attempt as some maturity and then get labeled "apologist", just makes this go 'round and 'round.

Well, Jim, at this point, I think we're splitting hairs, but I'd say the "apologists" are the ones telling everybody to relax and that "it's just a video game". If you're willing to make excuses and defend a product based on reasons outside of its general performance, then you're essentially an apologist. But I agree. The argument is now a carousel, and we could go round and round for days (deciding which of us are on the horses and which are in the sleigh is an entirely different matter though, haha).

But I will always and forever be bothered by people telling others that their opinion was "the right one". For anybody who is not bothered by the stats glitch, or the rosters, great! It's awesome that you can enjoy the game in its most fundamental form (gameplay). However, you can't deny that others might have a reason to be disappointed or upset. I'm not out here trying to "win over" anybody or change their minds. I just want the same respect.

[angrydave]

First post ever, long time lurker, I had to chime in on this one. I love, love,love the game. That being said there are many problems. This ends up taking away from MY enjoyment of the game..a game i might add only EXISTS for (my yours) enjoyment. SCEA is an entertainment company that only makes money if it entertains the consumer. I am no longer entertained, I have stopped playing my franchise because of glitches and now worry that if i turn the game on it will freeze. Those who say we are not entitled to a PERFECT game are right, what I am entitled to is ENTERTAINMENT, and if I am no longer entertained then SCEA has failed. The basic mantra in ANY business is to satisfy the customer, and to give them confidence in your product, are you satisfied that a very well paid company put out an inferior product that they obviously DID NOT test properly?? Are you confident in that you can play an entire franchise or season or RTTS wihout complications...I am not.


I had a car in college that was recalled for a simple windshield wiper motor failure ( It had never failed me), what that car company did was to recall every model they could, had them brought to a local dealership where they were fixed at no cost to me. They acknowledged their mistake and rectified it. They even sent a gas card as an apology for the inconvenience. Three years later i got a new job and a pretty healthy raise.. I wanted a new car What car do you think I bought ??

[n8rockerasu]

Quote: Originally Posted by choadler

You have many avenues as a consumer to determine if the video game has errors that will effect your enjoyment or cause you to stop playing it. I think this is why you are on this message board no? One of those avenues is to fully researching a game before you buy it. You are buying a $60 video game. Not a $30,000 car. All of these issues have been on this board for a month if not more. If these were game breaking glitches to you, you shouldn't have bought it.

I agree with you 100% here my man. But in my defense (and possibly naivety), I had the game pre-ordered since January because I've always enjoyed The Show and probably had the unrealistic expectation that they were incapable of making a mistake. But that pretty much brings us to "fool me once..." now doesn't it? I'll simply be a little more cautious next year.

As for other sports games, I've already decided I'm not buying Madden again until Jesus himself descends from Heaven to ask me why the hell I'm not playing, lol

[jim416]

Your last sentence is probably the problem with this entire forum. Guys with thin skin saying they aren't getting respected, lol. (no offense)

My signature probably sums it up. But like BK said, and Pared, we've seen a big change in these forums this year, and it's too bad. We've made debate a sensitivity issue, lol. Sorry, but you fail to look at the big picture. Whether you care about the devs/SCEA and what they've done with us, for us, on these forums IS a big issue for many of us. There are issues with the game, but how we treat the people who have, for years, come to this forum and let us help make the best baseball game ever means a lot to many of us long time vets here.

I'll be a "loyalist" forever with the way some brave people sit at their keyboards and spew some of the stuff they do.

[~Guru~]

choa

so you are saying that i should not buy the game on release day and wait till i find out what is wrong with the game so i am to blame for buying a game that has issues that take the fun out of the game for me

i understand that nobody should ever be a jerk to the devs who come here to help but just because they do does not mean that we must turn a blind eye and just wait till next year or perhaps hope for another patch a month later.

the game does not deliver on things it advertise to boost sales. why is it that all other sports games get heavily bashed but people who get upset that the show has issues that affect them they are being childish

is not right to call upset customers who also paid their money and the issues that dont bother u might bother others.

i take exception to those that tell me or others to get over it and just ebay the game...

[choadler]

Quote: Originally Posted by angrydave

First post ever, long time lurker, I had to chime in on this one. I love, love,love the game. That being said there are many problems. This ends up taking away from MY enjoyment of the game..a game i might add only EXISTS for (my yours) enjoyment. SCEA is an entertainment company that only makes money if it entertains the consumer. I am no longer entertained, I have stopped playing my franchise because of glitches and now worry that if i turn the game on it will freeze. Those who say we are not entitled to a PERFECT game are right, what I am entitled to is ENTERTAINMENT, and if I am no longer entertained then SCEA has failed. The basic mantra in ANY business is to satisfy the customer, and to give them confidence in your product, are you satisfied that a very well paid company put out an inferior product that they obviously DID NOT test properly?? Are you confident in that you can play an entire franchise or season or RTTS wihout complications...I am not. I had a car in college that was recalled for a simple windshield wiper motor failure ( It had never failed me), what that car company did was to recall every model they could, had them brought to a local dealership where they were fixed at no cost to me. They acknowledged their mistake and rectified it. They even sent a gas card as an apology for the inconvenience. Three years later i got a new job and a pretty healthy raise.. I wanted a new car What car do you think I bought ??

Again, your car analogy assumes that SCEA is not going to fix the things the patch messed up. The problems with the patch are creating an inconvenience for you, just like when you had to spend time to go to the car dealership to drop of your car for the day so they could fix it.