MMA Off-Topic

[Money99]

I wish the reparations for those who took losses were greater.
Suspending DJ for 2 years is all well and good, but I'd like to see them go a step further.
- remove the wins they obtained while juiced.
- hand over their purse to their opponent.
- they are forced to pay for 24/7 testing (and full tests) for the rest of their competitive lives.

[p_rushing]

They don't know when you start cheating though, just when they caught you.

They could go backwards in time and remove wins and bonuses (fine the amount of any win/performance bonuses) for the amount of time they are suspended. They may not be able to get it back though as most fighters don't have that much money saved up.


Plus too many fighters claim contaminated supplements. They get off way to easy. It's pretty easy to take approved supplements that don't have PEDs in them, they just don't work like PEDs.

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[Money99]

Quote: Originally Posted by p_rushing

They don't know when you start cheating though, just when they caught you. They could go backwards in time and remove wins and bonuses (fine the amount of any win/performance bonuses) for the amount of time they are suspended. They may not be able to get it back though as most fighters don't have that much money saved up. Plus too many fighters claim contaminated supplements. They get off way to easy. It's pretty easy to take approved supplements that don't have PEDs in them, they just don't work like PEDs. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

I understand that, but I do think boxing and MMA should do more to punish when there is proof.
In the future, I would love to see both boxing and MMA/UFC to force a cheater to pay for 24/7 random testing until they retire. And this includes keeping their samples on files for years afterwards when better tests become available.
There has to be a greater deterrent to what we have now.
DJ has made himself rich and famous because of PEDs. And he put his opponents lives and livelihood in jeopardy by cheating. There should be a greater punishment than "You're on the shelf for 2 years, but feel free to keep all the rewards you obtained while being an effing cheat".

[p_rushing]

Quote: Originally Posted by Money99

I understand that, but I do think boxing and MMA should do more to punish when there is proof. In the future, I would love to see both boxing and MMA/UFC to force a cheater to pay for 24/7 random testing until they retire. And this includes keeping their samples on files for years afterwards when better tests become available. There has to be a greater deterrent to what we have now. DJ has made himself rich and famous because of PEDs. And he put his opponents lives and livelihood in jeopardy by cheating. There should be a greater punishment than "You're on the shelf for 2 years, but feel free to keep all the rewards you obtained while being an effing cheat".

I agree there should be punishment and it should go back in time for at least the amount they are suspended for. Fines could and should be done, but how do you recover money from someone if they aren't still fighting? Some may pay it, but the less popular fighters are not going to have enough money to pay.

With the lax stance they have taken, they won't do it. They keep letting people off using the contaminated supplements excuse.

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[johnmangala]

I wonder if USADA tests old samples and they find PEDs going back to championship fights.. I'd imagine those fights would become NCs and maybe he'd even be retroactively stripped. Either way, TJ is not in a good spot but at least he hasn't outright denied it like most others have so far.

Chael Sonnen said recently on Ariel Helwani's show that you can get a TUE for EPO! (7:15-7:30)
One would think something as effective as EPO wouldn't have TUEs.

[p_rushing]

Quote: Originally Posted by johnmangala

I wonder if USADA tests old samples and they find PEDs going back to championship fights.. I'd imagine those fights would become NCs and maybe he'd even be retroactively stripped. Either way, TJ is not in a good spot but at least he hasn't outright denied it like most others have so far. Chael Sonnen said recently on Ariel Helwani's show that you can get a TUE for EPO! (7:15-7:30) One would think something as effective as EPO wouldn't have TUEs.

USADA claiming they didn't save old samples because of costs

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[johnmangala]

Quote: Originally Posted by p_rushing

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This is correct in regards to samples going way back. But apparently they have samples going back to at least his Linekar and Assunção fights and those are before his championship fights with Cody... so maybe at least those championship bouts will be under scrutiny.

Aaron Bronsteter on Twitter

Novitzky informs me that USADA will be re-testing any samples of Dillashaw that they still have stored and should they test positive for EPO, it would be considered another violation. His understanding is Dillashaw was tested for EPO for both his Lineker and Assuncao bouts.

[johnmangala]

DC will likely look for more TDs this time, bread and butter grind out to a decision. Miocic is more of the variable. He could come out hard looking for a finish or be more cautious and opportunistic like he was against Ngannou, etc. Either way, I predict the odds will be much closer for this. DC by DEC or Miocic by TKO are the most likely results for each imo. I think DC takes it again but have a much harder fight this time- the fight most expected from the first time. Idk about Lesnar, could be a gambit or negotiation tactic... but since they are seemingly moving ahead with DC v Miocic 2 idk.