George Gervin Review and free badge slots

[Platinum NoVa]

Quote: Originally Posted by synistr

right. and that was his whole game IRL. he was a slasher. he cant get past anybody. not to mention I cant shoot with him at all. he misses wide open shots. you have to get his release down but it isnt worth waiting to get it down because he doesnt have anything else to keep him going in the meantime. pretty much just a fast break player and cutter, lol. he doesnt have any creative dribble animations that I have seen. he shouldve came with more badges, including Tear Dropper. his fingeroll animation should be like Steph except Gervin was better with it in traffic and from long range. this is one of 2k's problem with cards. this card is nothing more than Bulls version with boosted stats. stats alone dont make a card. animations and tendencies are critical in how they play.

you guys are sleeping on his post control. I cant stop scoring with gervin in the post. He has basic but hard to block dunks and good layups. He draws fouls and has a great free throw. I dont shoot much in 2k i stay in the paint and hes a perfect third post player.

[kabamaru]

Quote: Originally Posted by Platinum NoVa

you guys are sleeping on his post control. I cant stop scoring with gervin in the post. He has basic but hard to block dunks and good layups. He draws fouls and has a great free throw. I dont shoot much in 2k i stay in the paint and hes a perfect third post player.

No one claims this is a terrible card. But it is a card just 1 point from diamond tier, I believe what synistr and I agree on, is that offensively wise you would expect this card to thrive in driving. But it doesn't. Durant thrives offensively in all aspects.

There are things that can not be seen statswise. LBJ was a beast in 2k15. If you could get in front of your defender and initiate a lay-up you were certain for 2points. This is not the case for 2k16 for LBJ. It is for Durant though at least for me, even though Durant has -35 in strength. LBJ has some strange animations and misses many semi-contested lay-ups. Also gets very easily blocked on fast breaks.

Have you ever seen LBJ getting blocked from behind in a fast break? It has happened so many times to me that I caught myself passing the ball to wall that is trailing.

Am I a good player? Probably not (even though i have won seed 1). Could I do something better? (use the right stick instead of button etc)? Sure I could.

I just don't get it.

Same thing applied to Gervin and to me applies for MANY historical players Isiah Thomas included.

They seem to miss an animation to iniatiate drive. I press the button, but they will hesitate. What a, I doing wrong? 87 rated Wall drives, 95 rated Isiah with ALL driving stats/badges better will pause after a small contact. Same with Gervin.

It seems as all/most current players have their signature moves, but historic players are just "dummy" same players with updated height/face and stats.

[synistr]

Quote: Originally Posted by Platinum NoVa

you guys are sleeping on his post control. I cant stop scoring with gervin in the post. He has basic but hard to block dunks and good layups. He draws fouls and has a great free throw. I dont shoot much in 2k i stay in the paint and hes a perfect third post player.

yeah, me and Kabamaru pretty much agree on this. your style of play affords that. right now I am not posting up guards. then there are some great guards who were known more for posting up than Gervin, like Glove. Also, Adrian Dantley had serious post game. Gervin had post game too but he was a finesse driver and finisher and a great mid-range creator in real life. its ironic they mentioned HOF scale, but most of the Historics and HOFers pale in comparison to current players, especially when it comes to animations. I want a card to play more like it did IRL and the things Gervin was great at, this card struggles with.

[Biaxident]

Gervin is amazing at the rim and in transition for me. And pretty much all greens from mid range, but I'm running him off ball screens and finding him on kickouts rather than creating shots with his dribble moves. Isolation type of game isn't really effective in 2K16 anyway, so I'm not sure it's fair to demand that he be able to create open looks on his own. You can create driving lanes for him by making defenders close on him within your offense. He isn't the quickest for sure though.

Timing on his shot reminds me of Kawhi (a bit long but masterable). All in all, I think he's a beastly value for 50-60k. Solid on defense and a great #1 or #2 option on offense.

I'd like to hear what others badged him with. I had a hard time because he probably did get shafted a bit, and he's one of those very versatile guys who feels like a blank slate when you have 5 free slots. I did: Unfazed, Deadeye, PLD... and the one I bought already had Fade Ace and Corner Specialist. Definitely considered Posterizer, Dimer, and Transition Finisher too.

[synistr]

Quote: Originally Posted by Biaxident

Gervin is amazing at the rim and in transition for me. And pretty much all greens from mid range, but I'm running him off ball screens rather than creating shots with his dribble moves. Isolation type of game isn't really effective in 2K16 anyway, so I'm not sure it's fair to demand that he be able to create open looks on his own. He isn't the quickest for sure though.

its not fair to demand that based on how 2k created him but that was his game in real life, spin dribbles, floaters, etc...he didnt average 25ppg in 12 seasons coming off ball screens. he was a one on one scoring machine. at least agree with me on this...should he at least have Steph layup animation? he should have every layup animation there is and he should have some better dribbling. he was the master of the layup/fingeroll.

you just feel cheated when a player rated that high cant do certain things that he was good at. I could get plenty of other cheaper players if I want to post up or run off screens. Not what I expected from this card, nor what I need from it.

[Biaxident]

Quote: Originally Posted by synistr

its not fair to demand that based on how 2k created him but that was his game in real life, spin dribbles, floaters, etc...he didnt average 25ppg in 12 seasons coming off ball screens. he was a one on one scoring machine. at least agree with me on this...should he at least have Steph layup animation? he should have every layup animation there is and he should have some better dribbling. he was the master of the layup/fingeroll. you just feel cheated when a player rated that high cant do certain things that he was good at. I could get plenty of other cheaper players if I want to post up or run off screens. Not what I expected from this card, nor what I need from it.

Agreed, the lack of specific animations on legends is annoying and showcases laziness on 2K's part. Given the sheer amount of animations that are in the game (for mypark/career players etc.) it's ridiculous that elite cards all have the same lame crossovers like last year. But he's still probably one of the very best layup finishers out right now.

[synistr]

Quote: Originally Posted by Biaxident

Agreed, the lack of specific animations on legends is annoying and showcases laziness on 2K's part. But he's still probably one of the very best layup finishers out right now.

no question he is an elite finisher, but he cant get to the rim on his own. he needs someone to get the ball to him. I have been trying to create with him and its been difficult. I just started using him recently though. but a 95 rated card with his scoring ability should be able to play a less restricted type offense. a lot of current players with lower stats can get to the rim a lot easier than he can, like Reke or Lou Williams. its not about the stats, its about the packages these cards have. didnt even come with any dribbling badges, lol. again, this is just a repackaged Bulls version with boosted stats. they didnt do that for Melo though. no. his Amethyst has different animations than the Gold.

[Scramz718]

Gervin has some of the best dribble animations out of wing players, especially for a historic. Most of the historic players have slow dribble animations, this isn't the case with Gervin. That's the main reason I picked him up. He has the best spin move in the game, It creates a ton of space.

http://youtu.be/dDSraYRccuU

http://youtu.be/dc2TPs40I2s

Ellis isn't the best defender but you can see how much space his dribble moves create.

Another plus is his 84 ball control rating. With a BC shoe I can get his rating up to 87. Which is the minimum to get the speed bursts animation.

That take his ability to slash to the next level.