2k deciding who wins at tip off

[Mweemwee]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ownal0t

these type of convos never go well. half the community will say you're crying and are bad. the other half who are going off the bs on the screen will try to convince them otherwise. if you ask me, there is definitely a factor keeping these games close and it's been more and more obvious since 2k15. In 14 if I outplayed a player I can destroy them by 30 easily. since then it feels like 2k always wanted to keep the game close in all online modes. I tell all my friends, never lose faith, 2k will step up the bs in the 4th if we are losing.

Agreed.

What I don't get is though I have a winning percentage and so does the other guy in the other thread who beat it like 3 times over and still sees what I see. So it's not about "crying or being bad", it's just pointing out something so obvious. But a lot of guys don't get it.

[NoLeafClover]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mweemwee

Agreed. What I don't get is though I have a winning percentage and so does the other guy in the other thread who beat it like 3 times over and still sees what I see. So it's not about "crying or being bad", it's just pointing out something so obvious. But a lot of guys don't get it.

Again, your argument makes no sense as you are stating that "2K pre-chooses a winner at the start of the game" yet you dismiss people who are showing that they have had huge winning streaks as proof it isn't true. Why would 2K "choose" the same person to win 10+ times in a row over everyone else?

Also, none of us are denying that there seems to be a combination of systems in place that make it stupidly easy to come back when you are down in this game, especially with how it rewards dumb gameplay like turbo spamming and contested shots.

It still doesn't mean the outcomes are ever predetermined.

[sk8board]

Quote: Originally Posted by NoLeafClover

Again, your argument makes no sense as you are stating that "2K pre-chooses a winner at the start of the game" yet you dismiss people who are showing that they have had huge winning streaks as proof it isn't true. Why would 2K "choose" the same person to win 10+ times in a row over everyone else? Also, none of us are denying that there seems to be a combination of systems in place that make it stupidly easy to come back when you are down in this game, especially with how it rewards dumb gameplay like turbo spamming and contested shots. It still doesn't mean the outcomes are ever predetermined.

Player A
-works his tail off all game
-gets screwed on loose balls, weird turnovers
-everything is delayed
-can't grab rebounds
-defense is impossible to play because all 5 guys are sliding everywhere
-misses wide open 3s with 90+ shooters
-wins

Player b
-takes off balance 3s and makes them all game
-gets a dunk or fouled just by spamming turbo and pressing x
-his AI plays like gods on defense allowing him to do whatever and they make up for it
-gets every offensive rebound until he makes it
-loses game in the end (most likely close)

please tell me who the real winner is.

[gooseneck_trailers]

Quote: Originally Posted by sk8board

Player A -works his tail off all game -gets screwed on loose balls, weird turnovers -everything is delayed -can't grab rebounds -defense is impossible to play because all 5 guys are sliding everywhere -misses wide open 3s with 90+ shooters -wins Player b -takes off balance 3s and makes them all game -gets a dunk or fouled just by spamming turbo and pressing x -his AI plays like gods on defense allowing him to do whatever and they make up for it -gets every offensive rebound until he makes it -loses game in the end (most likely close) please tell me who the real winner is.

Except this doesn't actually happen in the long run (or at least in the ~250 games I've played). Off balance threes won't consistently go in, 'wide open' ones (i.e. corner threes after ball movement) will, and your defense comments don't make sense.

There's a difference between momentum, which I think we all acknowledge (and seems to be a combination of actual mechanics and user gameplay), vs. blanket exaggerations used to justify losses / poor gameplay.

[NoLeafClover]

Quote: Originally Posted by sk8board

Player A -works his tail off all game -gets screwed on loose balls, weird turnovers -everything is delayed -can't grab rebounds -defense is impossible to play because all 5 guys are sliding everywhere -misses wide open 3s with 90+ shooters -wins Player b -takes off balance 3s and makes them all game -gets a dunk or fouled just by spamming turbo and pressing x -his AI plays like gods on defense allowing him to do whatever and they make up for it -gets every offensive rebound until he makes it -loses game in the end (most likely close) please tell me who the real winner is.

A lot of that is the fault of 2K matching people up on different difficulty levels more than anything; everyone in Emerald league and below is set to Pro difficulty level while those in higher tiers are set to All Star and above, which is one of the main reasons you see all the stupid, wonky gameplay things happening.

It's a stupid system, but that's the way it works making it easier for lower ranked players - you can still easily win, it just takes more effort.

I am in the Diamond league and I know I roll my eyes whenever I get matched up with an Emerald player as I know I am going to see a lot of unrealistic crap, but the majority of the time I still win unless they are truly exploiting fast break cheese and the bad defensive AI.

It's lame, but it's not rigged.

[Hustle Westbrook]

So no one is going to upload a full gameplay video of them getting screwed by this "equalizer"?

[knick9]

The other day I shot 4-32 from 3, Kiki was 0-9, Hornacek (99 3 ball) was 1-6 and he missed a completely wide open 3 in his hot zone that would have sent the game to overtime. Games like that I don't know what to think...I've definitely noticed that momentum affects foul calls, I've gotten thrown to the ground and nothing called when the other team is making a run.

[Mweemwee]

Quote: Originally Posted by NoLeafClover

Again, your argument makes no sense as you are stating that "2K pre-chooses a winner at the start of the game" yet you dismiss people who are showing that they have had huge winning streaks as proof it isn't true. Why would 2K "choose" the same person to win 10+ times in a row over everyone else?

I really don't understand your intention in this thread. Where did I dismiss people on streaks? I went on a 17 game winning streak myself. Once again you reply with a totally off base comment. Everything you say here is just not accurate to anything I've said and I would appreciate if you would stop replying unless you are going to get your facts right.

In regards to the streaks (which I have had and have posted about the whole thread which you haven't read) you've either been extremely lucky and had a lot of games catered for you or you have just played people so terrible that you've been able to outplay them even with the odds against you.

If you had read the thread you would know that my stance isn't as concrete as the title (which you have only read and made all of your assumptions). I can't change the thread title but I don't literally believe there's nothing you can do from the start, it was just a title that came to my head. I believe that some games are catered for you to lose, but I'm not saying that's a 100% certainty, I'm saying you are put at a massive disadvantage and you have to perform an amazing feat to overcome it, like a tightrope act. In the same game, if the other guy is "chosen to win" he can still lose, but his margin for error is extremely wide, so he can play absolutely terrible and he will still make 60% of his shots because the game wants him to win. You can beat this guy, but you're going to have to be perfect. Whilst he can be as bad as he wants and probably get the win unless you overcome the system.

That's how I and others have got streaks. In the 17 games I went unbeaten I won the games that were decided for me easily, like massive blowouts. The ones that were against me I had to absolutely claw and scrape for every point and although my opponent massively outdone me in shooting and every other thing that comes with the system cheese I managed to do enough to win. But I had to be almost perfect.

I believe if you buy packs then 2K makes it easier for you and you have a massive margin of error, especially from Ruby league upwards. I have played guys in these leagues who are just absolutely terrible in every way, clearly have only picked up 2K this year whilst I have played for 15+ years, have no basketball knowledge, take terrible contested shots all game, throw bad passes into traffic, just play absolutely cluelessly and will get the win easily because it's their game to win.