How Should 2k Respond to Community Disappointment over Features Cuts?

[LorenzoDC]

I just saw this article this is, in part, about Valve's response to fan unhappiness over the Diretide game, and it made me think, "would 2k do anything like this?"

I think a fair number of people disappointed with the losses in customization, features and the bad menus might feel at least a little better of 2k acknowledged and responded to the consumers.

Here's something Valve's CEO had to say recently:

Just as important as rectifying the problem, Newell said, was admitting the mistake. "We had to be really clear that we screwed up," Newell said, mirroring language from the blog post that told players they "were rightly upset" by the Diretide decision. But he also said that the episode was particularly embarrassing because Valve doesn't "usually make a whole lot of mistakes like that."

Personally, I think it's going to be important for 2k to start communicating about the game and where it's headed in NG, and put this launch edition into that context, whatever it is. I think they should also talk about what they intend to do with VC over the longer haul as well.

I think it should come by early next week. That gives them all of this week and this weekend after PS4 launch to put together a response and a communications plan. They don't need to have all the answers, but continuing silence is really not a good thing, it's eroding good will with the game and the brand. It's not a crisis, but it's not a good trend, either.

If you agree with me, please rate up this post so 2k will see it.

Thoughts?

[GisherJohn24]

Re: How Should 2k Respond to Community Disappointment over Features Cuts?

2k response: "Check out how it looks and plays on the court and you'll still want to give us a big ol hug and forget about it till next year".

[Slooty2k]

Re: How Should 2k Respond to Community Disappointment over Features Cuts?

I disagree. First of all, I don't think it's community disappointment rather than community polarization on the topic of next gen. It seems people are either in love with the game and acknowledge that 2k needs time to revamp features for next gen, or are completely outraged that 2k is taking out features. Honestly, I hate how people are saying they took out features because they really haven't. This is a completely new game on a completely new generation of gaming consoles with completely new graphics, new engine, new gameplay. This is a blank slate for 2k, its their first game in a new series really, so we can only assume everything is being revamped just like mostly everything was revamped. This is clearly not a continuation of the typical 2k series. I think to expect that 2k would do all this work to reinvent my career, association and gameplay and also revamp all the current gen features is just overly ambitious. When 2k announced this stuff and all the news came out, I wasn't expecting all the features we're used to to be in place for next gen. I think the issue is a lot of us jumped the gun and assumed or expected all the features to be in place while not taking into account that so much had already been done to revamp the series in on year that there's a lot that 2k probably didn't get around to. At the same time, I think 2k needs to be clear on, this is the direction we're taking and we're going to be working on these features next. I can understand features like create a player and 30 team control missing because thats stuff that needs complete overhauls and I think its better for them to hold off on some features and perfect them rather than release a hasty poorly designed mode or feature. I just think some of this outrage is going too far. I think some of the issues are legit, with things like saving rosters and settings and stuff that shouldn't be an issue, but most of that stuff is patchable. Idk man, when I look and play 2k14, I feel like damn, I can't believe these developers managed to do all of this in a year and I feel great about the direction of the series with its a realism and attention to detail and the game as holistic experience feels great. Conversely, I look at Live 14 and Im like seriously EA, you had 3 years and you come out with that piece of doodoo looking game, smh. In context, 2k14 is not only the best basketball simulation ever made, but this is one of the only next gen games Ive seen that really plays, looks and feels like a next generation game and not a continuation of what we've had on 360/PS3 like Madden, COD, and all these other games seem like. I can understand both sides, I wish I could make my my player look like me and have control over my association so there aren't stupid trades, but I think this a giant step in basketball simulation and we need to acknowledge that and realize this is only a stepping stone and a transitional point for what comes next.

[ataman5]

Re: How Should 2k Respond to Community Disappointment over Features Cuts?

I know that they shouldn't leave as is and patch the most they can as the patching has gotten easier with next-gen consoles they should keep getting better with post-sale services..

[JasonMartin]

Re: How Should 2k Respond to Community Disappointment over Features Cuts?

I think its better for them to hold off on some features and perfect them rather than release a hasty poorly designed mode or feature.

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Who says the current mode wasn't done in a hurry? Could very well be the case.

How hard is it to add a feature that lets you control 30 players, it would fix so much agony already. And I'm positive they've been working longer than 1 year on the the next gen gameplay. A whole lot longer.

[hawley088]

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the only thing i dont like its how the custom rosters are set, i dont know approved that set up, it horrendous. I have to custom search for my roster every game i want to play

[seanbarkley]

How Should 2k Respond to Community Disappointment over Features Cuts?

I swear I had the intention to read that brick till I reached this part: "Honestly, I hate how people are saying they took out features because they really haven't".

Can we please keep a bit of objectivity in all this?

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[GisherJohn24]

Re: How Should 2k Respond to Community Disappointment over Features Cuts?

I disagree. First of all, I don't think it's community disappointment rather than community polarization on the topic of next gen. It seems people are either in love with the game and acknowledge that 2k needs time to revamp features for next gen, or are completely outraged that 2k is taking out features. Honestly, I hate how people are saying they took out features because they really haven't. This is a completely new game on a completely new generation of gaming consoles with completely new graphics, new engine, new gameplay. This is a blank slate for 2k, its their first game in a new series really, so we can only assume everything is being revamped just like mostly everything was revamped. This is clearly not a continuation of the typical 2k series. I think to expect that 2k would do all this work to reinvent my career, association and gameplay and also revamp all the current gen features is just overly ambitious. When 2k announced this stuff and all the news came out, I wasn't expecting all the features we're used to to be in place for next gen. I think the issue is a lot of us jumped the gun and assumed or expected all the features to be in place while not taking into account that so much had already been done to revamp the series in on year that there's a lot that 2k probably didn't get around to. At the same time, I think 2k needs to be clear on, this is the direction we're taking and we're going to be working on these features next. I can understand features like create a player and 30 team control missing because thats stuff that needs complete overhauls and I think its better for them to hold off on some features and perfect them rather than release a hasty poorly designed mode or feature. I just think some of this outrage is going too far. I think some of the issues are legit, with things like saving rosters and settings and stuff that shouldn't be an issue, but most of that stuff is patchable. Idk man, when I look and play 2k14, I feel like damn, I can't believe these developers managed to do all of this in a year and I feel great about the direction of the series with its a realism and attention to detail and the game as holistic experience feels great. Conversely, I look at Live 14 and Im like seriously EA, you had 3 years and you come out with that piece of doodoo looking game, smh. In context, 2k14 is not only the best basketball simulation ever made, but this is one of the only next gen games Ive seen that really plays, looks and feels like a next generation game and not a continuation of what we've had on 360/PS3 like Madden, COD, and all these other games seem like. I can understand both sides, I wish I could make my my player look like me and have control over my association so there aren't stupid trades, but I think this a giant step in basketball simulation and we need to acknowledge that and realize this is only a stepping stone and a transitional point for what comes next.

Yeah. What he said lol

[nuckles2k2]

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I swear I had the intention to read that brick till I reached this part: "Honestly, I hate how people are saying they took out features because they really haven't".

Can we please keep a bit of objectivity in all this?

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It might not be what you want to hear, but how do you know you're the one being objective?

From the look and feel of it. 2K14 on the PS4 is not a port..I think we can all agree on that. Without having intimate knowledge of coding video games, but having well above average knowledge when it comes to coding in the field of web development...you don't **** with code, like...at all.

So if the next-fen version of 2K14 is not a port, it's easily 20 gigs larger than the current gen, it plays a great game of basketball on the court, and even though it has it's issues, it's one of the more polished launch titles..

Maybe the people accusing them of "removing" and "leaving stuff out" are being slightly short-sighted on what goes into the simultaneous development of games?

Whether they've been working on next-gen 2K for a while, or not, we haven't missed a 2K game. Which means there's been simultaneous development at some point.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they could have banged out a ridiculous, full fledged, next gen title.

I'm not trying to be a 2K apologist. But in my line of work, it's usually the people who have no idea what it entails to build a website from the scratch, are the ones who have all the ideas, answers, expectations, and frustrations. Usually born of not quite knowing what they're talking about.

[seanbarkley]

How Should 2k Respond to Community Disappointment over Features Cuts?

Man, I love how gameplay and graphics look and don't like most of the rest, but that doesn't mean that I don't accept there're are also people who like it. Just matter of tastes...

...but man, even devs have recognized that they had to remove things they had the intention to include due to lack of time/implementation.


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[Glenn33]

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It might not be what you want to hear, but how do you know you're the one being objective?

From the look and feel of it. 2K14 on the PS4 is not a port..I think we can all agree on that. Without having intimate knowledge of coding video games, but having well above average knowledge when it comes to coding in the field of web development...you don't **** with code, like...at all.

So if the next-fen version of 2K14 is not a port, it's easily 20 gigs larger than the current gen, it plays a great game of basketball on the court, and even though it has it's issues, it's one of the more polished launch titles..

Maybe the people accusing them of "removing" and "leaving stuff out" are being slightly short-sighted on what goes into the simultaneous development of games?

Whether they've been working on next-gen 2K for a while, or not, we haven't missed a 2K game. Which means there's been simultaneous development at some point.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they could have banged out a ridiculous, full fledged, next gen title.

I'm not trying to be a 2K apologist. But in my line of work, it's usually the people who have no idea what it entails to build a website from the scratch, are the ones who have all the ideas, answers, expectations, and frustrations. Usually born of not quite knowing what they're talking about.

What he said. X2

[Halloween]

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Honestly, looking at the game I wouldn't mind if 2k14 was exibithion mode only because a new console brings a new life cycle for a sports franchise. They need to build everything from the ground up and you can't knock VC for not having everything on board day 1.

Yes, some missing features seem frustrating but it's the first game for the new systems. Y'all just have to accept that.

BUT I will not endorse what 2k is trying to do with NEW aspects of the game like focusing so much on online for example. Just why do you have to save rosters online again?
And I swear to God, those VC points...remove them asap! They are RUINING the MyGM experience.

VC is just looking like any other videogame company trying to milk their customers by forcing them to pay extra money for shady virtual currency.

[VDusen04]

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I'd very much be in favor of some forthright dialogue. I'd be interested to hear some real talk from members of 2K's development team about their current product, what they feel they did well, what they may have not had time to do (if anything), and where they plan on taking this game in the future.

At this point, I'm kind of confused. I don't know exactly where 2K's going. It'd be kind of nice to hear an employee be real about things. Transparency isn't always bad for business. It seems this iteration of 2K raises a lot of questions, but it doesn't seem like there'll ever be any real answers until the release of 2K15.

Perhaps I'm a little burnt out. I have just grown weary of the tough questions going answerless until the game is in the hands of the people. I know "it's a business" is an easy answer to why those tough questions are left out for people only to realize the shortcomings after purchase but again, sometimes I think being upfront can benefit a company in the long run.

[Slooty2k]

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Yeah, when I say they didn't take out features, I mean it in the sense that we're used to seeing a certain format in the sense of features. But when you're talking about a brand new starting point, and every feature should be treated as a new addition. But basically, its the first year of a game, there seems like theres a lot of aspects the developers couldn't get finished the way they wanted and thats basically it. I dont think its taking a different direction and thats why they're removing features, its simply a logistics issue and obviously if you're gonna revamp something, you're gotta change everything else up. Having the current gen creat a player with next gen player models doesn't seem very compatible when I think about it.
Also, usually when 2k intends on moving in a different direction or taking a feature out, they're pretty explicit about it. For instance, two years ago they stated that they wanted to move away from classic teams and legends and remove the Greatest mode and made it clear they wanted to focus on current stars and players and thats exactly what they did. They've always been very forthcoming with thing and have a great track record. So I expect most things to be patched and a lot of these features should be returning in 2k15 too, especially with community feedback.

[JBCAROLINAKID]

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I'd very much be in favor of some forthright dialogue. I'd be interested to hear some real talk from members of 2K's development team about their current product, what they feel they did well, what they may have not had time to do (if anything), and where they plan on taking this game in the future.

At this point, I'm kind of confused. I don't know exactly where 2K's going. It'd be kind of nice to hear an employee be real about things. Transparency isn't always bad for business. It seems this iteration of 2K raises a lot of questions, but it doesn't seem like there'll ever be any real answers until the release of 2k15.
Perhaps I'm a little burnt out. I have just grown weary of the tough questions going answerless until the game is in the hands of the people. I know "it's a business" is an easy answer to why those tough questions are left out for people only to realize the shortcomings after purchase but again, sometimes I think being upfront can benefit a company in the long run.

I second this. At the very least whether they patch anything or not 2k could have the courtesy to answer some of the questions from the community who pays them every year for their game. It gives the impression that our money is good enough for them but our questions and concerns they could care less about. A little dialogue about their thinking or problems with implementing the features of customization, etc. would really show some level of respect for the community who essentially pay their salaries by purchasing the games every year. Apparently they only care about responding to posts about how great the game is and when the tough questions come you can hear birds chirping.