How Should 2k Respond to Community Disappointment over Features Cuts?

[Djm22]

i just want online drafts to be put back in if at all possible thats 95% of what i do on any 2k game cant see my self playing it too much if theyre not in. itll die quick with me

please look into patching that back in 2k or something

[threattonature]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cardot

Actually, there is a really cool website that I use. It is www.OperationSports.com. If you go there BEFORE you buy the game, you can get very indepth analysis and details about the game. You can even ask people specifics about the things/issues that are most important to you. It takes a bit of effort and patience, but it can also save you alot of time, frustation and money.

In an ideal world yes that would be true. But to go back to the example of online associations, not many posts are talking about the online associations. Plus even if you sim through it takes a week at least to get to the start of season two due to all of the timers that force you to wait a full two days after the playoffs end. You have to wait another full day after that two day countdown for the draft to start. Then after the offseason stuff there is another one day wait. Now add an extra week to get to season 3. That's just to find out if a $0 contract glitch still exists in the game. So if people are actually playing games it can take months just for some of these problems to present themselves.

So by the time I wait around I've already missed a few months of playing the game. For the deeper game modes they look great on the surface but as you dive deeper into them the problems arise. For reference I did not actually buy current gen 2K due to the lack of information on online associations. I rented it and after getting bugs just getting into the year 1 offseason took it back and never looked back. My whole point in my post is that it's ridiculous for a company to ignore it's consumer base. Everything seems to have leaned to being 100% marketing and moving away from having depth.

[threattonature]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rocky

2K will never say anything that can please everybody.

So the better route is to say nothing? They dodged nearly all questions about the next gen game. The automatic response was to "be patient" or "we'll go more in depth closer to release". I think all people are asking for is some sort of feedback or some general idea of why decisions were made.

[vannwolfhawk]

Quote: Originally Posted by threattonature

So the better route is to say nothing? They dodged nearly all questions about the next gen game. The automatic response was to "be patient" or "we'll go more in depth closer to release". I think all people are asking for is some sort of feedback or some general idea of why decisions were made.

To the OP's original topic in the last 2 days you have seen 2 developers and LD2k respond in some threads here explaining a few things as well as taking some feedback. I think thats a positive step in responding to some (including myself) of the "community disappointment". I know we would all like to know what the future holds and their plans moving forward, but they obviously can't speak on that. I for 1 am happy to see some of the developers chiming in and answering some concerns or questions we had as well as stating that they are listening to all the ideas and taking notes for next years games. This only means they are listening to both the good and the bad reviews from the community. That is a HUGE positive and step in my eyes moving forward.

[NBASLAM2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by Leftos

I can't speak of our direction, it's not my place to do so. I'm really, really, REALLY excited about the future of NBA 2K though, and I'm happy the hardest part is over. It's not easy building a new foundation and delivering a great game in a yearly cycle, especially while also making sure your current-gen product provides a great experience. And with that out of the way, every design meeting we have puts a huge smile on my face. I wish I could tell you more guys. I really wish I could.

Why did you all take away the option to eliminate CPU trading in season/MyGM?

[Cardot]

Quote: Originally Posted by threattonature

But to go back to the example of online associations, not many posts are talking about the online associations.

Then you should ask. There are alot of hard core dudes on this site that are more than happy to give you very detailed insight on pretty much every facet of the game.

Quote: Originally Posted by threattonature

So if people are actually playing games it can take months just for some of these problems to present themselves.

There are multiple threads including this one that have detailed these issues, and the game has barely been out a week. For some guys here, it is standard operation procedure to immediatley sim out a few seasons to see what lies ahead.

Don't get me wrong, it sucks to not have features that were on the last gen. And I personally hate the trend of gaming moving to an online requirement, and despise even more the world of micro transactions. Those are legit gripes. But with all the easy and free resources we have today (Like OS), all this "2K deceived us" business is kind of silly.

[LorenzoDC]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cardot

Then you should ask. There are alot of hard core dudes on this site that are more than happy to give you very detailed insight on pretty much every facet of the game. There are multiple threads including this one that have detailed these issues, and the game has barely been out a week. For some guys here, it is standard operation procedure to immediatley sim out a few seasons to see what lies ahead. Don't get me wrong, it sucks to not have features that were on the last gen. And I personally hate the trend of gaming moving to an online requirement, and despise even more the world of micro transactions. Those are legit gripes. But with all the easy and free resources we have today (Like OS), all this "2K deceived us" business is kind of silly.

It sounds like you're saying that posters around here know all the information in advance about a game before it releases. But that's patently not true.

People pay attention to the public statements and read the tea leaves on e3 video footage, etc., precisely because there's no clear public information, and what there is, is incomplete.

I don't understand your argument, which seems to be, hey, if you're surprised, it's your own fault, because you didn't pay close enough attention to all the readily available information here on this site prior to launch.

[VDusen04]

Quote: Originally Posted by King_B_Mack

Here's the thing though, you're questioning their direction based off your personal likes and dislikes. Jay-Z is a huge star, his involvement with the game is a huge deal whether people around here want to admit it or not. That's not some warning sign that 2K is going down the drain because Jay-Z was involved with the project. Especially since majority of people around here don't even give him credit for the one believable thing they credit him with.

Yes, that's exactly right. I'm absolutely questioning their direction based off of my personal likes and dislikes. When I made the transition from NBA Live 2002 to NBA 2K2, it was because 2K's direction seemed plainly clear to be in sync with what I was looking for out of an NBA basketball game. 2K made no qualms about it, they were out to make the most realistic NBA simulation of all-time and because that's exactly what I was looking for, it was a match made in heaven.

In part, what this thread is touching on is the recent lack of clarity from 2K. A lot of us can no longer make sense of their overarching mission statement. Is it to make the most realistic NBA simulation ever, both on and off the court? Is it to give what active social media consumers vote for the most? Is it to sell as much product as possible by any means possible?

I'm curious to know whether this direction change shall continue into the future, building off of NBA 2K13 and NBA 2K14, or if we can ever expect a return to a lot of the more realistic and controllable aspects I most value. I am a consumer who is questioning whether a product I've loyally followed over the past 12 years is slowly moving away from my personal preferences. In lieu of explanations (though I appreciate Leftos saying what he's allowed to say), I have a lot of questions.

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As for VC, I can't stand it either, but at some point people are going to have to stop crying about VC when that kind of thing is in virtually every other video game in some kind of way. Pre-Order bonuses, DLC, microtransactions, it's the norm in video games so trying to hold 2K to some standard of sneaky evil and shunning the sim community because of those inclusions is unwarranted as well. This really seems to boil down to a lot of us in the sim community being selfish about 2K and not wanting casual gamers to have anything to do with the series unless they're doing everything exactly how we want it done.

I believe this may be a little bit aside from the original thread topic, but I do not think all microtransactions were created equal. There's a difference between GTA V offering me a blimp for pre-ordering their game and NBA 2K carpet bombing their entire product with virtual currency.