Offensive rebounding

[Da_Czar]

Reading through the impressions thread and on twitter I see this popping up.

If it is not about offensive rebounding please do not derail this thread.

What are you seeing and what to you is the issue.

Is it User vs AI, or User vs User ?
Online or Offline ?
Do still experience it when you have better rate defensive rebounders vs weaker rated offensive rebounders ?
Do you experience it when crashing the glass via POE ?
Any video would be greatly appreciate so we can see the context etc.

Most Importantly make sure you feedback is coming from gameplay without custom slider adjustments. Preferably SuperStar SIM. But at least non custom sliders please.

[stillfeelme]

Re: Offensive rebounding

Czar,

SS/SIM shoot I don't remember the POE settings. Chicago, me vs. Raptors CPU last night. I think it was Jonas, and Amir overall doing the dirty work. My only complaint was the ease of which the CPU can put the basket in after the initial rebound. It is like I can't contest the offense board that well after they get the first rebound.

Played another game same settings Dallas CPU vs. LAC. Dirk and Chandler got a few of these. I need more examples with settings to test further but I can definitely say that it appears the user is missing more of those second chance attempts than the CPU. Not sure of the POE on this because it wasn't that bad.

[Gotmadskillzson]

Re: Offensive rebounding

On Superstar sim settings vs the AI, the CPU grabs offensive and defensive rebounds like Dennis Rodman, regardless of the team and who their players are. Then they immediately put it back up with ease. It is like the User team AI don't box out at all, even when you have crash the offensive and defensive glass selected.

I had to put the CPU rebounding sliders way down and the User way up just to even it out far as rebounds go. It is about a good 25 point slider difference. I also don't like it when the rare occasion you do get an offensive rebound and you want to dunk the ball because you are right near the rim with nobody in front of you, your big man does this funky reverse layup attempt instead that he misses of course.

I also find the PG and SG guards for the User team grab more rebounds then your big men do and they also have no problem doing put backs instantly. My less game, Monta Ellis had 6 offensive rebounds and 6 put backs over Brook Lopez and Kevin Garnettt. Had me scratching my head saying how come my big men can't do that ?

So I think it is a User team big man don't box out and are much slower to react to what is going on problem.

[yungsta404]

Re: Offensive rebounding

I mostly play online in online quick rank matches.

IMO I think the issue has to do with box outs. Offensive players are getting around defenders for good offensive rebounding position too easily.

I wish I had video but I couldnt find the game track that shows replays.

[Dmac1991]

Re: Offensive rebounding

FWIW, Im a 6'4 SG playing on SS/Sim in MyCareer and I pull down about 2 OREB a game when I actually play and don't sim. IDK, could just be good timing, but something doesn't seem right. Appears that Im jumpin extremely high when it comes to grabbing rebounds despite not having put a point in athletic upgrades.

[luda06]

Re: Offensive rebounding

Ohhhh

I have video. I definitely have video.

[rawdog805]

Re: Offensive rebounding

I haven't seen any issues with CPU offensive rebounding in the few games that I was able to get in last night on SUP/SIM. I find that if I box out I can easily get rebounds, but if I am out of position the computer will punish me on the glass. I usually crash the boards manually instead of letting my teammates try to get them.

[dmankey1]

Re: Offensive rebounding

I played my first couple games on All Star and I'm seeing the same. They get too many offensive rebounds and they put them back up too fast. Although, if you're on offense and grab the board, your reaction to go back up will be faster than the defensive player. What do you think?

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[thunderbird86]

Re: Offensive rebounding

No video but the game I just played was with the Thunder against the Clippers and the finished with 20 offensive rebounds. 7 by Griffin and 6 by Jordan. All Star/ Sim settings. Seemed like Ibaka and Perkins were usually in good position but of of them would jump up and snatch it out of the air. There were a couple times they'd miss the putback and the other one would jump up and rebound and put it back. That happened three times. I know Griffin and Jordan are good rebounders, but Ibaka, Perkins, and Adams aren't terrible at it. Griffin finished with 20 rebounds and Jordan 19 rebounds all together while my best was Perkins with 11.

[Yuss]

Re: Offensive rebounding

Yeah I'm also having trouble with offensive rebounding, I tried playing with teams that have good offensive rebounders such as Drummond, Lopez, Noah, etc and no luck same results. CPU gets the majority of them, however the effect is reduced a little when you use the big men I mentioned

[Jano]

Re: Offensive rebounding

What I want to understand Czar is why does it seem that my AI controlled teammates don't box out on a consistent basis? Is their box out tied to me boxing out my man?

If so what's philosophy behind that? Why is it tied to me boxing out? Shouldn't they box out independently of me?

I have the same issue with help defense but I'll leave that for another thread.

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[Genuine1x]

Re: Offensive rebounding

Wow, It's like you read my mind. I was just about to post about offensive rebounding.

User vs User - Online Quick Game

Just got done playing a game I held my opponent to 38% shooting while I shot 50% plus, but guess who won the game?

He did, which is ridiculous.. ole buddy grabbed 14 offensive rebounds. I wouldn't be so mad but it was Amare out of all players grabbing all the boards when I clearly had the better rebounding team (Pacers). Then to put icing on the cake he was talking crap the whole game as if he was good .. There should be absolutely no reason he has as many defensive rebounds as offensive when he's boxed out. When you go up to grab a rebound with nobody near you why can't the player catch the freaking basketball?

[mrprice33]

Re: Offensive rebounding

I'm going to run a couple of games as the Kings (76.8 drb%, 3rd in NBA last year) against the Lakers (20.2 orb %, last in the league last year) and see how things go. The Lakers personnel is a little different this year but the Kings should still keep them off the boards.

[antdoggydogg]

Re: Offensive rebounding

I'm playing on Pro (Personally I really don't see the point of changing difficulty levels, as long as you adjust sliders correctly all levels end up being the same).

Anyway, first game 48 minutes, no slider adjustments. Spurs vs Nets (Me)

Spurs: 8 offensive rebounds (accurate, they prefer to get back in transition instead of crashing the boards in real life), 38 defensive rebounds.

Nets: 1 offensive rebound (clearly not enough, but again one game is a small sample size, I was able to get about 8 the next game), 28 defensive rebounds. We got absolutely crushed on the glass, makes sense since Brook is a poor rebounder for his size.

So for me it was pretty realistic, but maybe the game mechanics change unrealistically once you up the difficulty level.

[DirtyJerz32]

Re: Offensive rebounding

What are you seeing and what to you is the issue.

Is it User vs AI, or User vs User ? User vs. AI
Online or Offline ? Offline
Do still experience it when you have better rate defensive rebounders vs weaker rated offensive rebounders ? No. Was playing as the Bulls against the Bucks and it was like Gasol and Noah had no clue what was going on. Would user switch to box out and the other I wasn't controlling would give up one.
Do you experience it when crashing the glass via POE ? Yes, had crash glass for both offense and defense.
Any video would be greatly appreciate so we can see the context etc.
At work, sorry.
Most Importantly make sure you feedback is coming from gameplay without custom slider adjustments. Preferably SuperStar SIM. But at least non custom sliders please. Was playing on AS Sim and stopped, when to Pro Sim and was still getting out rebounded. Went down to Rookie and Mayo had 2 offensive rebounds in the 1st 5 minutes, out rebounding a standing still Noah, turned the game off. Couldn't take it anymore.