Offensive rebounding

[trogman44]

Re: Offensive rebounding

I'm on superstar sim, 12 min quarters and I get normal amounts of offensive boards.

What I've noticed is I play center on D and I have to actually work to stay with my guy to box out. Can't just stand there. This is really actually awesome because boxing out isn't just putting your butt on someone in the real game. You gotta stay with your guy.

So Czar, after a few games played I'm not seeing an issue. Again no modifications to sliders, or gameplay other than 12 min quarters and superstar sim.

[Bootzilla]

Re: Offensive rebounding

Vs CPU. AS-Sim, SS-Sim. 12 minute qtrs.

Both games me (Bulls) vs cpu (Suns).

Offensive rebounding seems legit until I get a lead and the cpu is in crash boards mode. There's no real counter to it. I contest and box out the shooter and my cpu bigs won't box out. Miles Plumlee had 18 and 16 rebounds respectively and probably would have had more had he not been in foul trouble. Noah 6 total rebounds both games.

Plumlee would just sky over my bigs (Noah, P. Gasol, Gibson) or when the cpu is comeback mode as I see the shot going up and a cpu offensive player is right under the basket it might as well been a pass. I know they're going to miss the initial shot and an offensive rebound and immediate put back will ensue.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Offensive rebounding

These are my stats over the past 5 games using the Spurs on Superstar\Sim

Played 5 games in a row with my Spurs, made sure to make sure of my rebounding totals

Superstar\Sim

vs. Cavaliers
Spurs: 41 (13 offensive)
Cavaliers: 40 (11 offensive) almost all K. Love, lol

vs. Pelicans
Spurs: 44 (12 offensive)
Pelicans: 39 (13 offensive)

vs. Bulls
Spurs: 41 (13 offensive)
Bulls: 46 (14 offensive)

vs. Rockets
Spurs: 43 (12 offensive)
Rockets: 36 (9 offensive)

vs. Pistons
Spurs: 42 (13 offensive)
Pistons: 45 (12 offensive)

[tomzennsbruh]

Re: Offensive rebounding

I have played a 20+ games on SS/Sim with the Cavs. Love and Andy kill it on the offensive glass.

They are top performers at that skill, and I haven't seen anything that would go against that on SS/Sim

[crusaderhoops10]

Re: Offensive rebounding

The main issue it seems is my fellow CPU teammates just not boxing out. If they're ever out of position defensively, they're gonna get beat to the boards. And it seems, if this ever happens, a CPU miss goes right to that player. Always feels cheap. I spend all my energy switching around defensively, usually off the ball, to get my guys in the right defensive position. Sometimes I have no chance though lol. My CPU teammates are just out of control. The CPU typically always finishes after an offensive rebound with a quick putback.

Quick putbacks seem to give me the best success when I get offensive rebounds. But if a big man is there to defend the shot, it almost always misses, even with a guy like Anthony Davis. CPU definitely makes more contested shots. I'm sure I'll get better with time figuring out how to finish better inside but these are just my observations currently.

I don't always do the points of emphasis, basically because when I use them, I always do the same thing, emphasizing rebounding on both ends. It seems to help, and it seems there is no reason to ever not emphasize this, which I don't like.

Anyway, those are my impressions so far. The biggest issue is just my CPU teammates being out of position so often and the CPU always making you pay for that. But I don't know how else my games with the CPU can remain competitive.

[Snrubby]

Re: Offensive rebounding

I concur. Offensive boards followed by putbacks occur way too often and nearly impossible to guard

[Jano]

Re: Offensive rebounding

The main issue it seems is my fellow CPU teammates just not boxing out. If they're ever out of position defensively, they're gonna get beat to the boards. And it seems, if this ever happens, a CPU miss goes right to that player. Always feels cheap. I spend all my energy switching around defensively, usually off the ball, to get my guys in the right defensive position. Sometimes I have no chance though lol. My CPU teammates are just out of control. The CPU typically always finishes after an offensive rebound with a quick putback.

Quick putbacks seem to give me the best success when I get offensive rebounds. But if a big man is there to defend the shot, it almost always misses, even with a guy like Anthony Davis. CPU definitely makes more contested shots. I'm sure I'll get better with time figuring out how to finish better inside but these are just my observations currently.

I don't always do the points of emphasis, basically because when I use them, I always do the same thing, emphasizing rebounding on both ends. It seems to help, and it seems there is no reason to ever not emphasize this, which I don't like.

Anyway, those are my impressions so far. The biggest issue is just my CPU teammates being out of position so often and the CPU always making you pay for that. But I don't know how else my games with the CPU can remain competitive.

THIS.

I've been trying to understand what's going on because on the other side of the ball the CPU almost never suffers from these types of issues. All their players box out and do what is necessary to secure the board.

I'm not calling for a patch or even slider changes. I'm just interested in getting my AI controlled teammates on the same page when it comes to rebounds.

[trogman44]

Re: Offensive rebounding

THIS.

I've been trying to understand what's going on because on the other side of the ball the CPU almost never suffers from these types of issues. All their players box out and do what is necessary to secure the board.

I'm not calling for a patch or even slider changes. I'm just interested in getting my AI controlled teammates on the same page when it comes to rebounds.

Is it possible help defense is causing AI team mates to get caught out of position?

[Da_Czar]

Re: Offensive rebounding

Thanks for taking the time to document and contribute men. Much appreciated.

[Krodis]

Re: Offensive rebounding

I haven't really had too much trouble personally. When the CPU does beat me on the offensive glass, it's normally because I'm being beat on the perimeter and my bigs have to help out. So, I guess if there is an issue, it's my inability to guard perimeter players.

[jaateloauto]

Re: Offensive rebounding

I haven't seen any issues yet.

[crusaderhoops10]

Re: Offensive rebounding

Just played another game, this time as the Timberwolves vs. Charlotte. I used rebounding POE from the start, both for offensive and defensive. I didn't get killed on the defensive glass and my team is still able to run so once again, I don't see why not emphasizing this every game. There were of course a few instances, one that really bothered me, when I personally boxed out Marvin Williams with Gorgui Dieng only to have Marvin jump over me, get the board and quick putback. I never had a chance. But whatever, every now and then it's not a big deal.

Offensively, while I got more offensive rebounds, with Pekovic in particular, it just doesn't seem worth it. Even Pek really struggled to finish inside. I had 1-2 quick putbacks but it seems when you're under the rim, just pressing square is simply not enough. I guess you've got to really work to shoot while a guy isn't in decent position defending you. CPU rarely goes for pump fakes this year too so that's not enough either. I figure this is the case to make it tougher for online play but it's pretty annoying, especially when the guy challenging your shot so that you miss is doing so from behind you when it looks like you have the advantage.

Again, I think the more I get used to the game, I'll start to figure things out. I'd advise using the POE and working as hard as possible to keep everyone in position. It was a little bit easier playing Charlotte because I just controlled Wiggins on defense mostly since MKG is no threat to shoot from the outside.

[antdoggydogg]

Re: Offensive rebounding

Has anyone tried turning up the box out assist slider in controller settings? Not the gameplay slider. There is one in the controller settings, right under defensive assist.

[ILLSmak]

Re: Offensive rebounding

Reading through the impressions thread and on twitter I see this popping up.

If it is not about offensive rebounding please do not derail this thread.

What are you seeing and what to you is the issue.

Is it User vs AI, or User vs User ?
Online or Offline ?
Do still experience it when you have better rate defensive rebounders vs weaker rated offensive rebounders ?
Do you experience it when crashing the glass via POE ?
Any video would be greatly appreciate so we can see the context etc.

Most Importantly make sure you feedback is coming from gameplay without custom slider adjustments. Preferably SuperStar SIM. But at least non custom sliders please.

I'm a beast at offensive rebounds online. I made a PF this year. I think finally there is a reason to be a big again.

Computer is tougher to get in on, too, but you can still seal them if you force your way inside. They box the hell out of you if you aren't though.

-Smak

[jaateloauto]

Re: Offensive rebounding

Actually on further thought I think the CPU just doesn't battle hard enough to get inside position. Maybe it's just that there isn't much in terms of animations that the players can really do to block opposing bigs from getting inside unless a shot has gone up. I'm getting a ton of offensive boards in MyCareer on HOF/sim even though my rebounding is something like 56 at the moment (I'm 6'11" though).

I feel like Reggie Evans.