NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner & More

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Quote: Originally Posted by Nevertheles109

Rashidi, I appreciate the valuable information you provide to OS. Nevertheless, the reason your messages aren't heard as clearly as they are written is due to your snobbish/arrogant remarks when they are unnecessary. The bolded above is a clear example man. You attracts bees with honey, not vinegar.

Attracting bees has never been my intention, and never will be.

I do, however, have a strong aversion to "BS" which is why I'll make an off-hand comment to here and there, to an individual, when warranted.

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^Case in point

Quote: Originally Posted by BluFu

Of course, only Rashidi can partake in ratings discussions.

It's one attribute. Shall we compare the other 40?

There is a wee bit more to "partaking in discussion" than actively trolling or purporting fallacy.

[Vni]

I like the dynamic Rashidi brings to a ratings discussion. Keep it up.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

SF formula is similar to SG and nothing like PF/C But sure try to correct me on something you don't know anything about

PLEASE post the Formula that 2k(not You) uses in the game, as you seem to have inside Knowledge. Thank You.

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BOLD if center either
A. Lead his team in PER
B. Had 15+ PER off the bench

2015 Centers

EAST
Hawks (60): Al Horford (21.4 PER), Pero Antic (9.5 PER)
*Cavaliers (53): Timofey Mozgov (18.7 PER), Anderson Varejao (17.7 PER), Kendrick Perkins (4.7 PER)
**Bulls (50): Pau Gasol (22.7 PER)
Raptors (49): Jonas Valanciunas (20.6 PER), Tyler Hansbrough (13.3 PER)
Bucks (41): Zaza Pachulia (15.6 PER), John Henson (18.0 PER), Miles Plumlee (13.4 PER)
Celtics (40): Tyler Zeller (18.9 PER), Kelly Olynyk (15.9 PER)
Nets (38): Brook Lopez (22.7 PER), Mason Plumlee (18.0 PER)
Pacers (38): Roy Hibbert (15.4 PER), Ian Mahinmi (10.8 PER)
Heat (37): Hassan Whiteside (26.2 PER), Chris Andersen (16.1 PER)
Hornets (33): Al Jefferson (19.7 PER), Bismack Biyombo (15.2 PER)
Pistons (32): Andre Drummond (21.4 PER), Joel Anthony (14.7 PER)
Magic (25): Nikola Vucevic (21.5 PER), DeWayne Dedmon (13.3 PER)
Sixers (18): Nerlens Noel (15.0 PER), Henry Sims (14.5 PER)
Knicks (17): Jason Smith (12.0 PER), Cole Aldrich (18.1 PER)

WEST
Warriors (67): Andrew Bogut (15.8 PER), Marreese Speights (19.5 PER), Festus Ezeli (16.2 PER)
Rockets (56): Dwight Howard (19.2 PER), Joey Dorsey (11.1 PER)
Clippers (56): DeAndre Jordan (21.0 PER), Spencer Hawes (9.8 PER)
Grizzlies (55): Marc Gasol (21.7 PER), Kosta Koufos (14.2 PER)
Spurs (55): Tiago Splitter (18.9 PER), Aron Baynes (15.9 PER)
Blazers (51): Robin Lopez (16.2 PER), Chris Kaman (17.3 PER), Meyers Leonard (14.8 PER)
***Mavericks (50): Tyson Chandler (20.1 PER), Amare Stoudemire (22.3 PER)
Pelicans (45): Omer Asik (15.5 PER), Alexis Ajinca (19.9 PER)
****Thunder (45): Steven Adams (14.1 PER), Enes Kanter (24.9 PER)
*****Suns (39): Alex Len (13.5 PER), Brandan Wright (17.8 PER)
Jazz (38): Rudy Gobert (21.6 PER)
Nuggets (30): Jusuf Nurkic (14.8 PER), J.J. Hickson (14.3 PER)
Kings (29): DeMarcus Cousins (25.2 PER), Ryan Holliins (13.1 PER)
Lakers (21): Ed Davis (20.0 PER), Robert Sacre (10.9 PER)
Wolves (16): Nikola Pekovic (16.6 PER), Gorgui Dieng (17.2 PER)

*Mozgov's season PER was 16.6 PER. Perkins' season PER was 7.0. Varejao was technically never a backup, though he will be this coming season.

**Pau guarded centers and was guarded by the center. He was the center (as he often was for the Lakers the last 5 years). Noah chased around fours (and this switch also reflected in their rebound numbers) which contributed to his subpar year. It is worth noting that Hoiberg plans on using Noah as a backup center which speaks further volumes about the quality of the position today.

***Amare's season PER was 20.3.

****Kanter's season PER was 20.3.

*****Wright's season PER was 20.4.

Despite the lack of top-line stars I don't think one can doubt looking at the numbers that the center position is significantly healthier than it was 20 years ago. Here's 95 again by comparison.

1995 EAST
Magic (57): Shaquille O'Neal (28.6 PER), Tree Rollins (7.0 PER)
Knicks (55): Patrick Ewing (21.9 PER), Herb Williams (7.7 PER)
Pacers (52): Rik Smits (19.5 PER), LaSalle Thompson (6.8 PER)
Hornets (50): Alonzo Mourning (20.1 PER), Robert Parish (10.1 PER)
Bulls (47): Will Perdue (16.3 PER), Luc Longley (12.3 PER), Bill Wennington (11.6 PER)
Cavaliers (43): Tyrone Hill (16.8 PER), Michael Cage (13.5 PER)
Hawks (42): Andrew Lang (13.1 PER), Jon Koncak (9.5 PER)
Celtics (35): Eric Montross (12.1 PER), Pervis Ellison (13.3 PER)
Bucks (34): Alton Lister (10.2 PER), Eric Mobley (14.2 PER)
Heat (32): John Salley (11.4 PER), Matt Geiger (12.9 PER)
Nets (30): Benoit Benjamin (13.9 PER), Dwayne Schintzius (6.2 PER)
Pistons (28): Mark West (12.8 PER), Oliver Miller (16.9 PER)
Sixers (24): Shawn Bradley (14.8 PER), Derrick Alston (11.6 PER)
Bullets (21): Gheorghe Muresan (17.4 PER), Kevin Duckworth (9.9 PER)

1995 WEST
Spurs (62): David Robinson (29.1 PER)
Jazz (60): Felton Spencer (12.3 PER), James Donaldson (7.9 PER)
Suns (59): Joe Kleine (9.8 PER), Danny Schayes (13.2 PER)
Sonics (57): Sam Perkins (16.2 PER), Ervin Johnson (9.6 PER)
Lakers (48): Vlade Divac (20.5 PER), Sam Bowie (10.4 PER)
Rockets (47): Hakeem Olajuwon (26.0 PER)
Blazers (44): Chris Dudley (10.9 PER)
Nuggets (41): Dikembe Mutombo (17.0 PER), Bison Dele (13.9 PER)
Kings (39): Olden Polynice (14.7 PER), Duane Causwell (11.4 PER)
Mavericks (36): Lorenzo Williams (10.3 PER), Roy Tarpley (17.8 PER)
Warriors (26): Rony Seikaly (12.7 PER), Cliff Rozier (11.5 PER), Victor Alexander (12.8 PER)
Wolves (21): Sean Rooks (12.6 PER), Greg Foster (10.3 PER)
Clippers (17): Tony Massenburg (11.7 PER), Eric Riley (14.7 PER)

2015: 13 centers lead team, 14 quality backups, 40 centers > 15
1995: 6 centers lead team, 2 quality backups, 14 centers > 15

It's not close. Remember again that PER is relative to the rest of the league. Even though the traditional back to the basket center is gone, centers have never been more effective than they are now. It is arguably the best/deepest position in the league after PG (in fact, only four starters in the league registered a PER under 15 - the 95 west alone has 8 starters under 15).

I even think that the superstar factor compared to the 90s (3 centers > 25 PER versus 1 today) is over-blown as Anthony Davis will eventually play center full-time, while Tim Duncan bounces back and forth between PF and C every season (I opted to consider him a PF this season).

I also think players like Cousins and the Gasols or even Al Jefferson would dominate an era that was conducive to one-on-one play. The notion that post play is dead and that nobody can do it anymore isn't particularly well-founded. There simply isn't a good reason for a non-elite to stagnate the offense.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

centers have never been more effective than they are now. It is arguably the best/deepest position in the league after PG

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[8KB24]

Because using only PER is the right way to go regarding player evaluation. I always respect what Rashidi has to say but this is...idk man

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Quote: Originally Posted by 8KB24

Because using only PER is the right way to go regarding player evaluation. I always respect what Rashidi has to say but this is...idk man

Would you care to use other means to discuss the skill/ability/effectiveness of Jon Koncak versus Kosta Koufos in an expeditious manner?