I don't understand how they have a generic Shaq on all the classic teams?

[Jesus_Swagglesworth]

Quote: Originally Posted by MarkWilliam

Now move onto next gen and things like Park, My Career, #bethestory etc. etc. become the focus...... Online has taken over and as a result the legends no longer appear to matter as much.

We can use the legends online so I wouldn't give them that excuse lol

Quote: Originally Posted by MarkWilliam

And I can't stress enough the importance of signature animations for the legends. Someone earlier made a point about how you don't see their faces often. Which is true. The subpar faces would be softened if they moved more like their real life counterpart (at the time) from whichever cam players play with. Cyber faces take them so far. Signature animations. Crucial to taking the legends the rest of the way.

Animations is definitely where the legends got screwed over the hardest. Even something as fundamental as dribble moves are generic despite them having several gold dribble badges.

Tim Hardaway has the same size-up dribble / cross as Randy Foye and I don't even think TMac has a size-up equipped despite having the gold badge for it. But hey at least Shaq has his own hook shot

[daveberg]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jesus_Swagglesworth

We can use the legends online so I wouldn't give them that excuse lol Animations is definitely where the legends got screwed over the hardest. Even something as fundamental as dribble moves are generic despite them having several gold dribble badges. Tim Hardaway has the same size-up dribble / cross as Randy Foye and I don't even think TMac has a size-up equipped despite having the gold badge for it. But hey at least Shaq has his own hook shot

Size ups and dribble moves are easily fixed, we can do that ourselves - I'd just prefer more individuality to the classic players.

Have NO idea why they removed MJ's one handed ball fake, or his classic runner 'The Move' - little details like this made players stand out. Same for the Dream - they removed his dream shake from 2k12 - why???

Tendencies & attributes are also messed up in this game - I went in to edit Sprewell and he had EVERYTHING in his signature section set to BIG MAN presets - from his shots to his layups and dunks - not sure what 2k are thinking?

I think word of mouth is spreading about this stuff, there's been TONS of talk regarding the issues with legends this year, hopefully 2k are listening......

[MarkWilliam]

Quote: Originally Posted by daveberg

Size ups and dribble moves are easily fixed, we can do that ourselves - I'd just prefer more individuality to the classic players. Have NO idea why they removed MJ's one handed ball fake, or his classic runner 'The Move' - little details like this made players stand out. Same for the Dream - they removed his dream shake from 2k12 - why??? Tendencies & attributes are also messed up in this game - I went in to edit Sprewell and he had EVERYTHING in his signature section set to BIG MAN presets - from his shots to his layups and dunks - not sure what 2k are thinking? I think word of mouth is spreading about this stuff, there's been TONS of talk regarding the issues with legends this year, hopefully 2k are listening......

I think it may be a case of not getting these things back in (rather than leaving them out). Since the move up to gen 4 consoles the game was re-build completely. And I feel (hope) they just haven't gotten around to polishing the legends off yet......


If what people are saying is true (2K are being quiet because they haven't got much to talk about this year), then maybe they had lots of time to polish the stuff that needed it. Faces, signature stuff etc. etc.


A whole tonne of speculation in this post though....

[Jesus_Swagglesworth]

Quote: Originally Posted by daveberg

Size ups and dribble moves are easily fixed, we can do that ourselves - I'd just prefer more individuality to the classic players. Have NO idea why they removed MJ's one handed ball fake, or his classic runner 'The Move' - little details like this made players stand out. Same for the Dream - they removed his dream shake from 2k12 - why???

I agree, I just bring up the dribble move issue because I assume it can be easily fixed via a roster update for the online folk. We can fix it offline but online gets left in the dust lol.

Maybe not TMac, but Tim Hardaway should definitely have his own individual signature dribble moves

[daveberg]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jesus_Swagglesworth

I agree, I just bring up the dribble move issue because I assume it can be easily fixed via a roster update for the online folk. We can fix it offline but online gets left in the dust lol. Maybe not TMac, but Tim Hardaway should definitely have his own individual signature dribble moves

Most DEFINITELY dude.

Players with unique, go to/famous moves should have that reflected in game. 2k claim they're all about signature style - well, let's see it then, people!

[daveberg]

Quote: Originally Posted by MarkWilliam

I think it may be a case of not getting these things back in (rather than leaving them out). Since the move up to gen 4 consoles the game was re-build completely. And I feel (hope) they just haven't gotten around to polishing the legends off yet...... If what people are saying is true (2K are being quiet because they haven't got much to talk about this year), then maybe they had lots of time to polish the stuff that needed it. Faces, signature stuff etc. etc. A whole tonne of speculation in this post though....

Spot on.

I'd be happy with a '2k16.5' if they literally polished the whole game from start to finish, including a ton of work on existing legends etc.

Would be happy with that.

[MarkWilliam]

Quote: Originally Posted by daveberg

Spot on. I'd be happy with a '2k16.5' if they literally polished the whole game from start to finish, including a ton of work on existing legends etc. Would be happy with that.

Seconded!

[Culture Rot]

Quote: Originally Posted by daveberg

A lot of the classic player models haven't translated very well to 'next gen'. As they can't be scanned, they won't be as accurate as the current day players. What I've never understood though, is that pc modders make AMAZING legend cyberfaces without scanning, so why can't 2k step up in that department?

It's called an art department for a reason. You answered your own question here in the 2nd half.