"You have reached MAX CAP LEVEL for ONLINE PLAY. ALL further ATTs OFFLINE ONLY."

[Bornindamecca]

Hey guys, Books here. The thread title is a concept that I think 2k could use to prevent eSports from negatively affecting the offline MyCareer players, or even those that like playing in the Park or ProAm, but also like creating a GOAT level player in their MyCareer seasons.

I'm all for online balancing for ProAm. Going back to about 2k8, I've maintained the opinion that one of the leading causes for cheese in this game are the 90+ attributes that force the players into irregular situations to accommodate a broken rating. For ProAm in particular, having specialists is great, because we'll see diversity of strategy and a high reward for team ball. I'm sure with the talent of the player base, we'll still get plenty of exciting moments and individual performances. True competitors and even spectators won't miss the days of 6'7 POINT DEMIGOD SON!!! when true balance is achieved.

That said, this is in many ways against the spirit of MyCareer, which is all about freedom and creating YOUR career. While I think the higher skills and badges should remain behind a challenging wall that forces offline players to be worthy of a GOAT type career, I do think the mode works best when people can live out whatever NBA fantasy they want. You should be able to point a target at your favorite player's career and say "I want to make MyCareer like ______, except instead of doing _____, I'll do ____."

As we move towards competitive balance, eSports will more and more threaten the offline MyCareer experience, which I know a lot of people already want wrestled back from the on-rails narrative approach 2k is taking right now. As the LONE member of #simnation who loves MyCareer modes, I want to see this mode be the best it can be while also allowing people the freedom and fun of the basketball RPG that the other modes don't provide. This change, amongst many others, is one I think is necessary for everyone to have their cake and eat it, too.

I make this post because if we want changes, we have to get on the same page and let the developers know that it's a priority. I have many ideas for MyCareer, and I do still love the mode despite my issues with it, but it cannot continue to coexist with eSports without branching off at some point.

For MyCareer to work, there has to be a point at which your ProAm/Park character is capped for competitive balance and all other attributes that you put into it are OFFLINE ONLY.

Lemme know what you think.

Books

[Breakstarter]

Bruh, HELL NO! You must be on something family. Leave my career the way it is. Why you trynna change the way we make our players? Why should my players be capped anyway? If the game is skill based and not a cheese fest, why not let the mycareers go as they have been? Who ever said we wanted to be handicapped online?

If you look at a fighting genre like say say street fighter, no matter how many players are available, everyone knows certain players fall into a certain tier. Some characters if used correctly and with stick skills can be overpowering. But never will you find anyone over at Capcom releasing fighters without all of their moves, or remove special moves or combos because they cause the opponent too much damage. If that person can pull it off, and keep doing with success, then you should congratulate them, not cry and say they are cheesy or not playing fair.

I despise talking about Sim vs cheese, or online play vs offline, but street fighter does pretty well in its esport/ online competition. 2k should be no different. What you're suggesting is having the ability to start off with an already made my player to which he would be capped
and you couldn't upgrade him whatsoever, just so everyone is on the "same playing field".
I think that some be if you ask me. If I'm grinding in my career and I want my guard to be a rebounding machine like Westbrook, or Jason kidd, then I should be able to get defensive and offensive crasher. Where as if we had it your way or the direction 2k seems to be heading is where we are only specialists and only good at one thing...this is a a terrible idea.

With all respect to people who still play offline...this just doesn't make sense to me. Either you're online or you aren't playing the game. 2k should do away with offline.

If you have a phone and you don't pay your bill, you just have an $800 paperweight. How do you pay for Xbox live services and pay for online services monthly but want to play offline?
Kind of defeats the purpose, don't it?

[Bornindamecca]

Quote: Originally Posted by Breakstarter

Bruh, HELL NO! You must be on something family. Leave my career the way it is. Why you trynna change the way we make our players? Why should my players be capped anyway? If the game is skill based and not a cheese fest, why not let the mycareers go as they have been? Who ever said we wanted to be handicapped online? If you look at a fighting genre like say say street fighter, no matter how many players are available, everyone knows certain players fall into a certain tier. Some characters if used correctly and with stick skills can be overpowering. But never will you find anyone over at Capcom releasing fighters without all of their moves, or remove special moves or combos because they cause the opponent too much damage. If that person can pull it off, and keep doing with success, then you should congratulate them, not cry and say they are cheesy or not playing fair. I despise talking about Sim vs cheese, or online play vs offline, but street fighter does pretty well in its esport/ online competition. 2k should be no different. What you're suggesting is having the ability to start off with an already made my player to which he would be capped and you couldn't upgrade him whatsoever, just so everyone is on the "same playing field". I think that some be if you ask me. If I'm grinding in my career and I want my guard to be a rebounding machine like Westbrook, or Jason kidd, then I should be able to get defensive and offensive crasher. Where as if we had it your way or the direction 2k seems to be heading is where we are only specialists and only good at one thing...this is a a terrible idea. With all respect to people who still play offline...this just doesn't make sense to me. Either you're online or you aren't playing the game. 2k should do away with offline. If you have a phone and you don't pay your bill, you just have an $800 paperweight. How do you pay for Xbox live services and pay for online services monthly but want to play offline? Kind of defeats the purpose, don't it?

I think you're misunderstanding the point. The situation RIGHT NOW is that your player is more capped than they have ever been. From what we've seen, the archetypes no longer allow you to have a MyCareer player that's great at two skills, which is really what defines a lot of superstars. When I say offline, I just mean single player, as in not playing Pro AM or the Park, but just playing MyCareer. We'll have to see how the final numbers shake out, but if the charts are correct, I don't think you can have a player that's better than about an 85 overall. More important than overall, I don't think you can make certain styles of All Star that are already in the NBA.

Forget Lebron, there is no way to make Kawhi Leonard. I don't think you can make John Wall. 2k is ALREADY CAPPING YOU according to what we've seen this year. What I'm talking about is an option to lift that cap in your single player MyCareer, so if you want to make a great shooter, you are not also making the choice to have average to below average handles. They can't have everyone be a 99 in online MULTIPLAYER because that really hurts online play and I agree with the decision they have already made to regulate players into specialist roles rather than do it all roles. I don't think single player folks should have to deal with that, though.

[nuckles2k2]

I think the easiest answer to this issue is splitting the modes. MyCareer should be just that, "my career in the NBA" -- and all of the online stuff should be it's own separate mode.

The player you create in MyCareer shouldn't the the player you use online (in terms of attributes).

That way, both sides can be relatively happy. If segments of the fanbase *have* to be pissed off, it might make more sense to piss off the primarily online players cuz they're prevented from hopping into MyCareer games with the players they've built online -- as opposed to pissing off the primarily offline players, cuz they're held to restrictions aimed at balancing the online potion of the game, regardless of whether they play online or not.

If VC is made available in the offline career, and the online MMORPG version of [whatever they name it] Take Two/2K would still get the cashflow from VC purchases, customers on both sides would still have the opportunity for immediate gratification, and you'd have two distinct modes. Sure some ppl would be upset that they can't take their "NBA player online", or their "MyPark player to the NBA" but I think that's better than "You can only build a player like this offline...cuz we're keeping it balanced online.."

[LM1213]

Quote: Originally Posted by Breakstarter

With all respect to people who still play offline...this just doesn't make sense to me. Either you're online or you aren't playing the game. 2k should do away with offline. If you have a phone and you don't pay your bill, you just have an $800 paperweight. How do you pay for Xbox live services and pay for online services monthly but want to play offline? Kind of defeats the purpose, don't it?

Bruh, hell no are YOU on something fam? 2k should do away with offline? really? so consoles didn't hit their big online stride before the x360. so all the way from atari until x360 were basically offline, but now since they can be online you think there shouldn't be for 2k? were you online with 2k1?
you must seriously be on crack man. just because you like online doesn't mean everyone does. Sometimes I just want to chill out alone and play with no pressure. no kids screaming in my ears, no people quitting for no reason. sometimes I just want to play a quarter and save for later. don't ruin my experience because you don't play offline.

By the way, you want 2k to be online only? so what happens when there is maint update? or ddos? then you have a paperweight game. If the connection goes down, I can always just play quick game offline, or myplayer offline. you seriously need to put some thought into a comment like that before you throw it out there. nobody wants online only. remember when x1 was going to force an online always experience? remember how that turned out.

Dude, sorry but you need to re-evaluate your life after that comment (that part was a joke) but seriously, you should never utter those words again

[Bornindamecca]

Quote: Originally Posted by nuckles2k2

I think the easiest answer to this issue is splitting the modes. MyCareer should be just that, "my career in the NBA" -- and all of the online stuff should be it's own separate mode. The player you create in MyCareer shouldn't the the player you use online (in terms of attributes). That way, both sides can be relatively happy. If segments of the fanbase *have* to be pissed off, it might make more sense to piss off the primarily online players cuz they're prevented from hopping into MyCareer games with the players they've built online -- as opposed to pissing off the primarily offline players, cuz they're held to restrictions aimed at balancing the online potion of the game, regardless of whether they play online or not. If VC is made available in the offline career, and the online MMORPG version of [whatever they name it] Take Two/2K would still get the cashflow from VC purchases, customers on both sides would still have the opportunity for immediate gratification, and you'd have two distinct modes. Sure some ppl would be upset that they can't take their "NBA player online", or their "MyPark player to the NBA" but I think that's better than "You can only build a player like this offline...cuz we're keeping it balanced online.."

This is not a possibility. The two will likely always be integrated because of how natural of a transition it is for a singleplayer MyCareer user to achieve success and then want to take that into a multiplayer environment. The current system allows people to choose whether they want to be exclusively single player, multiplayer, Park, ProAm, or any mixture of the four. This is a good system that allows for all player temperaments and situations.

[LM1213]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bornindamecca

Hey guys, Books here. The thread title is a concept that I think 2k could use to prevent eSports from negatively affecting the offline MyCareer players, or even those that like playing in the Park or ProAm, but also like creating a GOAT level player in their MyCareer seasons. I'm all for online balancing for ProAm. Going back to about 2k8, I've maintained the opinion that one of the leading causes for cheese in this game are the 90+ attributes that force the players into irregular situations to accommodate a broken rating. For ProAm in particular, having specialists is great, because we'll see diversity of strategy and a high reward for team ball. I'm sure with the talent of the player base, we'll still get plenty of exciting moments and individual performances. True competitors and even spectators won't miss the days of 6'7 POINT DEMIGOD SON!!! when true balance is achieved. That said, this is in many ways against the spirit of MyCareer, which is all about freedom and creating YOUR career. While I think the higher skills and badges should remain behind a challenging wall that forces offline players to be worthy of a GOAT type career, I do think the mode works best when people can live out whatever NBA fantasy they want. You should be able to point a target at your favorite player's career and say "I want to make MyCareer like ______, except instead of doing _____, I'll do ____." As we move towards competitive balance, eSports will more and more threaten the offline MyCareer experience, which I know a lot of people already want wrestled back from the on-rails narrative approach 2k is taking right now. As the LONE member of #simnation who loves MyCareer modes, I want to see this mode be the best it can be while also allowing people the freedom and fun of the basketball RPG that the other modes don't provide. This change, amongst many others, is one I think is necessary for everyone to have their cake and eat it, too. I make this post because if we want changes, we have to get on the same page and let the developers know that it's a priority. I have many ideas for MyCareer, and I do still love the mode despite my issues with it, but it cannot continue to coexist with eSports without branching off at some point. For MyCareer to work, there has to be a point at which your ProAm/Park character is capped for competitive balance and all other attributes that you put into it are OFFLINE ONLY. Lemme know what you think. Books

actually not a bad idea at all Books. way to make a point and offer a solution as well :applause:

[Td1984]

I think they can do it the way they've set it up for this year, where you have those limits, and you fill up the attributes to those caps *first*. Then once you've accomplished that, you get a pop-up saying that you can continue to add attributes, but anything beyond that point will only apply in single-player. If you go into MyPark, etc, your attributes will be reduced to those caps while in those modes.

I don't understand why that can't be done.