Real vs Balance?

[ForeverVersatile]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hustle Westbrook

Not sure what LD and that guy on Twitter are talking about but you can most definitely make that pass in 2K17.

You can but I've had easier passes from good passers fly over the receivers head in too many situations. That type of pass usually will fly out of bounds more than anything in game.

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[FixEverything2k]

If it's not in 2k then Lonzo might as well not be in 2k. This is easily one of his signature moves.
This was Curry when he couldn't shoot from half.
This was LeBron and nearly every center in 2k13 when you couldn't block dunks.

If you're going to have HOF break starter then this is what it should be. The problem comes when people can use Bronze breakstarter and do the same thing.
Like when people with corner specialist can shoot 90% from corner 3s with a 55 3 rating.

[Kushmir]

Quote: Originally Posted by El_Poopador

Lonzo is the exception? Do we not remember Wade throwing bombs to Lebron, or Kevin Love throwing cross court chest passes on the regular? This is a much more common occurrence than Curry's threes. This I disagree with. He is the only one doing it consistently, but I have seen several players do that on multiple occasions, especially when they get hot.

We can't forget tho..."hot" can't really be a thing. everyone looks good when they're in the zone. A rating represents what a player consistently does...not what he did ONCE. I can show you highlights of guys like Julius Grant hitting threes or JJ Redick blocking shots. the reality is Randle shoots 27% from long range and Redick has had more than 10 blocks in a season ONCE.

I also agree balance has to ABSOLUTELY be the priority when you can't achieve realism. Which is pretty often given the technical restraints.

[2_headedmonster]

Basketball problems have basketball solutions:


More aware defenders, catches that aren't in stride (too high/too low) and stretched out ratings would balance this.


Dynamic badges for mycareer pgs would help too. Imagine how valuable/unique a pg playmaker with gold 'break starter' would be if he was maybe 1 of 30.

[El_Poopador]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kushmir

We can't forget tho..."hot" can't really be a thing. everyone looks good when they're in the zone. A rating represent what a player consistently does...not what he did ONCE. I can show you highlights of guys like Julius Grant hitting threes or JJ Redick blocking shots. the reality is Randle shoots 27% from long range and Redick has had more than 10 blocks in a season ONCE. I also agree balance has to ABSOLUTELY be the priority when you can't achieve realism. Which is pretty often given the technical restraints.

I think that could be achieved through the badge tier system. Obviously, Curry would have the gold, as he does it consistently. Players like Lebron and JR Smith would be silver, as they don't take the shots as often, but are fairly accurate when they do. Guys who can only make them when they're hot would get the silver.

In most cases, you don't see those types of shots in normal gameplay; they come when the team makes a few shots in a row and has a lot of momentum and they want a heat check or when the shot clock is winding down.

[Junior Moe]

Quote: Originally Posted by El_Poopador

Lonzo is the exception? Do we not remember Wade throwing bombs to Lebron, or Kevin Love throwing cross court chest passes on the regular? This is a much more common occurrence than Curry's threes. This I disagree with. He is the only one doing it consistently, but I have seen several players do that on multiple occasions, especially when they get hot.

If he does it on a regular basis, then yeah, he would be the exception. Say Lonzo completes 3 or 4 passes a game like that. Nobody else in the league is doing that. Like Steph is the exception with taking and making exceptionally long threes. Nobody else in the league does it more or better than he does. That's why it's special. Sure, other players could occasionally do what Steph does. Same with Lonzo, more than a few players could make that play too. But can, and do they do it as often. That's the difference as it relates to me. If not, then only they should be able to replicate that success in game.

Now online is a different beast but I feel the same way. Steph is special. So is KD and Gianni's. There aren't near 7 footers who move and shoot (KD) like they do. But it's online and is sort of arcade so whatever. But balancing still needs to be addressed otherwise it'll be the same builds in the eleagues and Park. I see that side of the equation as well. If we could all be LeBron or Steph or KD or Jordan? Of course. If I'm the PG on a team would I like to be able t complete 3/4 court passes to my slasher or sharpshooter? Yep. That's part of it too.

[jfsolo]

I'm an offline MyLeague player only, so I readily admit my bias against online H2H play, but the need to balance things to compensate for all the User created MyPlayers online may now be a permanent hindrance to realism in gameplay.

If you have millions of Steph and Lonzo types playing online, then 5 on 5 gameplay obviously get totally distorted, and the resulting balancing act filters into the offline modes, and it leads to a lesser experience there.

[El_Poopador]

Quote: Originally Posted by Junior Moe

If he does it on a regular basis, then yeah, he would be the exception. Say Lonzo completes 3 or 4 passes a game like that. Nobody else in the league is doing that. Like Steph is the exception with taking and making exceptionally long threes. Nobody else in the league does it more or better than he does. That's why it's special. Sure, other players could occasionally do what Steph does. Same with Lonzo, more than a few players could make that play too. But can, and do they do it as often. That's the difference as it relates to me. If not, then only they should be able to replicate that success in game.

Love does it all the time lol. And Wade did it quite a few times when Lebron was on the Heat.

My issue is that the ability should not be limited to one player. I've posted this before (usually when talking about commentary and crowd awareness/reactions), but Lebron, for one, is very capable of rattling off consecutive deep threes.



Obviously there needs to be a balance, but we shouldn't act like only one player is capable of making long shots/passes. Even Curry doesn't take those shots often when he's not in a rhythm.