Can we just get rid of "spamming" entirely?

[howardphillips214]

Yeah I'm saying if you input steal or block on the controls and MISS YOUR OPPORTUNITY you shouldn't be able to try that AGAIN before i finish my FIRST move.

I pump, you jump, you miss, i go up while you're on the air, you can jump AGAIN before i toast you? No.

Plus on drives it's been like this for YEARS. I'm running full speed, you're just spamming steal in anticipation? No, thats a dunk on.

Oh, i put you in a poster animation? It's cool, you can BREAK the "get dunked on"animation by hitting triangle again? No. You're in bad position UNDER THE BASKET. you wanna play me outside the restricted i might buy that. But unless you're deandre Jordan, you're not blocking me at the apex! What's the point of vertical if stretch bigs with a 40 vertical at 7'3 can play defense too?

Stop it.

[Kleinevos]

Quote: Originally Posted by howardphillips214

Yeah I'm saying if you input steal or block on the controls and MISS YOUR OPPORTUNITY you shouldn't be able to try that AGAIN before i finish my FIRST move. I pump, you jump, you miss, i go up while you're on the air, you can jump AGAIN before i toast you? No. Plus on drives it's been like this for YEARS. I'm running full speed, you're just spamming steal in anticipation? No, thats a dunk on. Oh, i put you in a poster animation? It's cool, you can BREAK the "get dunked on"animation by hitting triangle again? No. You're in bad position UNDER THE BASKET. you wanna play me outside the restricted i might buy that. But unless you're deandre Jordan, you're not blocking me at the apex! What's the point of vertical if stretch bigs with a 40 vertical at 7'3 can play defense too? Stop it.

Preach!


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[jeebs9]

Quote: Originally Posted by howardphillips214

Yeah I'm saying if you input steal or block on the controls and MISS YOUR OPPORTUNITY you shouldn't be able to try that AGAIN before i finish my FIRST move. I pump, you jump, you miss, i go up while you're on the air, you can jump AGAIN before i toast you? No. Plus on drives it's been like this for YEARS. I'm running full speed, you're just spamming steal in anticipation? No, thats a dunk on. Oh, i put you in a poster animation? It's cool, you can BREAK the "get dunked on"animation by hitting triangle again? No. You're in bad position UNDER THE BASKET. you wanna play me outside the restricted i might buy that. But unless you're deandre Jordan, you're not blocking me at the apex! What's the point of vertical if stretch bigs with a 40 vertical at 7'3 can play defense too? Stop it.

You keep saying stop it lol.... I'm not against you here. I just want to see some video of what your talking about. I just can't produce it myself. Or seen it effective to the point your talking about. And we are talking about My Park only here right?

[howardphillips214]

Quote: Originally Posted by jeebs9

You keep saying stop it lol.... I'm not against you here. I just want to see some video of what your talking about. I just can't produce it myself. Or seen it effective to the point your talking about. And we are talking about My Park only here right?

Nope. This is every mode. This is the lack of physics in the game. This isn't just a myplayer thing. But that's what you're going to make it sound like.

[jeebs9]

Quote: Originally Posted by howardphillips214

Nope. This is every mode. This is the lack of physics in the game. This isn't just a myplayer thing. But that's what you're going to make it sound like.

No, I'm not trying to make it anything else. I genuinely want to know the mode and what situations you have it in. I know we bump heads most of the time. I've played be guys trying to spamming. I've even tried it myself. It just never worked like timing the block. Steals are different story. You just can't steal the ball consistently with the button. Steals come off of position defense. It's basically the foul button.

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[howardphillips214]

OK, let's have this discussion then.

Should timing and ratings be the ONLY way to produce steals and blocks consistently?

[jeebs9]

Quote: Originally Posted by howardphillips214

OK, let's have this discussion then. Should timing and ratings be the ONLY way to produce steals and blocks consistently?

Which one are we talking about?

You can't reward timing for steals. It's breaks the game. No NBA player would attempt to steal the ball 10 times in one possession. That why this year the steal button is more for fouling, stripping, and a once in a while on ball steal. If you want to get steals this year (in the order). You need to play position defense. I think this was a huge step in the right direction. That's why ball protection is so key to dribbling.

I think blocks are more timing based. They have a up timing and down timing.

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[ILLSmak]

Quote: Originally Posted by Chemthethriller

but where else in 2k are people punished for not being perfect, with imperfect controls?

Yeah, it's not the length of the animations per se, but it's the amount of time it takes to execute properly. Sounds like the same thing, but it's not. I mean, the sweeping up and under would be good if your dude would finish. You basically go through people and somehow they get a contest and you blow the lay up.


I just wanna see post scorers be stronger with the ball. If you fake someone up and you go up, you're gonna get blocked or miss the lay up. If you fake someone up and can dunk well, you just dunk all over them.



I've found mid-post to be pretty rewarding, and I think that might be how 2k envisions it, but if I knew my post scorer wasn't going to get the ball stolen or blocked out of his hands (would be nice if strength made it so you had to block the ball once it left someone's hands), I would be able to take stuff a lot slower and not worry. Once you get under the hoop, you can't do a lot unless you dunk... which is strange because that should be easy money if you get around someone with an up and under or drop step.



I would like block animations that take into consideration what the offensive player is doing and their position, so people don't just fly in and block everything. Same with rebounding, if rebounding animations were based on timing and position (triggering a two person related contact animation based on ratings and stick skills) instead of just running behind the rim, under the hoop, and jumping up at the rim, you would get more realistic rebounding numbers from smaller, high rated rebounders.



It would be the same with blocking or stealing. If my dude is Barkley and you are Shawn Bradley, there's no way you are gonna block the ball out of my hands. If you time it and get it in the air (probably while being pushed back or pinned by me going up tho), then well played.


-Smak