Why I'm Done With NBA Basketball This Year: NBA 2K9

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

You are gonna get me in trouble at work man Which brings up ANOTHER point. Why am I finding out control related commands 6 months after the release. Can we get a manual PLEASE

I thought you'd like that one.

I'm hoping we finally get the deep manual this game should already have.

[GSW]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

You're starting to sound like Hillary Goldstein. Yes, that annoying little chick from IGN. He has the Shaq test... take Shaq and shoot threes with him all game and see how many fall. Here's the thing that bothers me... remember when Duncan hit the 3 pointer to send the game to OT in the playoffs? If that happened in your game, would you immediately come to OS and complain how it should NEVER happen? There should be the ability, in a sports game, for the "impossible" to happen. The problem is... who the hell shoots 3's with Shaq? What you're asking is for the impossible to always be impossible. Vince should never be able to catch a reverse dunk off an inbound alley to win the game. The NBA and sports gaming is about the impossible. The Rays shouldn't have made the World Series last year. Kobe shouldn't be dropping 50+ points on 4 consecutive games. It shouldn't happen in a game until it happens in real life. And that's where a lot of the comments of sports gamers really annoy me. Guys that play a game, then say "C'mon that would never happen!" but they see amazing things happen all the time. And if it does happen in real life, there's an explanation for it. "Well, we all saw this one coming." No, you didn't. It's more about what the game is doing wrong than what it allows you to do right. There's a group of gamers that modify sliders, rosters, whatever, all year long because so and so "isn't possible." It's THAT gamer that I would hope these game developers never cater to. And this has nothing to do with the high FG%'s out of the box in 2k9, the lack of foot planting by the defense, the lack of fast breaks in Live '09, the supposed comeback AI in The Show... it's about what "tests" a sports game should be able to pass. This isn't the GMAT. It seems like I'm getting too old for some of the posts by "gamers" here.

youre bringing up duncan hitting a three in the playoffs.. and im saying him running around sprinting and spinnign in to the lane...

two totally different things man..

this isnt a "shaq tesT"... its the game.

You should be punished for doing unrealistic thing..like shooting threes with shaq (and you are)...you can still do it.. but youre punished...

The things i brought up you are not punished for.

so you missed me on whatever point you were trying to make there.

[Benicio10]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

I'm sure they know this. However, it's not reason enough to warrant labeling them as "abandoning the sim gamer." If that was the case, the lead pass would be as effective as it has been in years past.

So one change negates all the other examples i brought up?

Again, we will continue to have these debates until 2K steps up and tells us, their hardcore audience, what direction their game is going. What is their mission statement?

You say you're sure you know they understand the need to communicate with us, yet in previous posts you didn't think they needed to. I have way more evidence to lead me to believe they're ignoring us, and don't want to confront us with the truth: that this game will never be a pure sim out of the box.

Call that sensationalist, but I think the slider people who help fix this game do more for the franchise than even the developers themselves, who ignore the same issues year after year.

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by Benicio10

So one change negates all the other examples i brought up? Again, we will continue to have these debates until 2K steps up and tells us, their hardcore audience, what direction their game is going. What is their mission statement? You say you're sure you know they understand the need to communicate with us, yet in previous posts you didn't think they needed to. I have way more evidence to lead me to believe they're ignoring us, and don't want to confront us with the truth: that this game will never be a pure sim out of the box. Call that sensationalist, but I think the slider people who help fix this game do more for the franchise than even the developers themselves, who ignore the same issues year after year.

You can have your conspiracy theories. Nothing anyone can say outside of a developer can stop that.

I'm sure they understand where the genre is going but as long as they understand what they need to do, that's all that matters. The game I buy every year is what matters to me, not someone in a pink name telling me they "hear me." I don't need the reassurance. I don't need a mission statement. I don't need a weekly report.

But that's just me.

[GSW]

Quote: Originally Posted by water777

[ProfessaPackMan]

LMAO @ the random spam post.

[Benicio10]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

You can have your conspiracy theories. Nothing anyone can say outside of a developer can stop that. I'm sure they understand where the genre is going but as long as they understand what they need to do, that's all that matters. The game I buy every year is what matters to me, not someone in a pink name telling me they "hear me." I don't need the reassurance. I don't need a mission statement. I don't need a weekly report. But that's just me.

That's not a conspiracy theory. The proof is in the dunk-fest of a game we get every year.

I do need re-assurance from the pink name because now I don't think 2K wants to make a sim anymore. And there are many hardcore followers of this game who are starting to feel the same way. It's not just DC and I.

How can you be confident they will suit your wishes of sim basketball when they haven't delivered yet on the issue of too many points inside the paint and too many crazy highlight dunks? It's the same issues year after year. No progress.

[Pared]

Because I don't agree with you.

You say no progress when there certainly has been progress. Not to the level you obviously want, but progress nonetheless.

The problem here is that you want the game to be what you want it to be... And what that is is different from the next guy.

Just look at the thread asking "What is a simulation?" People can't even agree on that since it's such an abstract concept.