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  • bls
    MVP
    • Oct 2003
    • 1786

    #1

    Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

    If your playing somebody that really knows what their doing its overpowered.

    Basically they just take an off ball defender in the zone and come over and trap you. Now the court proportion ratio is so small in this game, is not much space from the 3pt line to the half court line. And the way 2k makes your man move in this game it's sometimes hard to get around.

    But my point is, you can have a man wide open on the other side of the defense but either of 2 things will happen giving the benefit to the defense and that is, either the ball with get tip or stolen OR because the court is so small they're able to recover at an alarming rate, and the speed of the ball on the pass is so slow that by the time it gets to the open teammate, they have already recover.

    You can swing it to the open man all game long but the recovery is so fast that you'll never get the open look that your suppose to have due to the speedy recovery. It's no way someone should be able to bring a defender all the way to the top of the key and leave someone open all alone in the corner and by the time I get the ball to them they have recovered back to him. That's unrealistic. In a 2-3 you are gonna give up some open shots, thats the whole point of it, to limit inside scoring. But the way it is now, it allows the user to cover both.

    Another thing that a zone tends to due because of all the help defense zones give, in reality it gives room for more offensive rebounds. But in this game, you get defensive rebounds better when your in a zone. Your not vulnerable to giving up offensive rebounds like a zone would do.

    2k really needs to looking into scaling their players down even smaller to get the right proportion of the court cause as of now it's off. I can call a play right now at the top of the key and go to the play circle to start the play. If I just slightly tap the LS back to move my player back alittle, i'll take this bounce stutter step back and it'll be a back court violation.

    As of now I only see 1 play for zones called "2-3 killer" and it literally takes forever to get it going. I can run pick and rolls all day but they just double down and when the man is wide open , they switch to the defender closest in the zone and just sprint over to the open man. By the time the ball gets their......too late. Frustrating!!!
  • demfl
    Pro
    • Jun 2009
    • 585

    #2
    Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

    So basically you want to score all the time? If you play someone who knows how to play great D regardless of set, its going to be difficult. In the 1-3-1 not only am i vulnerable to a 3point fest but usually I have no guys underneath to rebound after the shot. It's not overpowered you just need to get better at adjusting.


    Like I said in the another thread, zone can be powerful for one reason only.
    NO ONE LIKES TO ADJUST.

    Everyone wants to run that same offense that put them on a 8 game winning streak. Suddenly your next game is against a player who is great in the zone and you keep trying to run your same 8 game winning streak plays, so you lose and in frustration you now want to label the zone cheese. Start playing with more than one game plan.

    Check the thread above another poster complaining about getting beat every time he runs zone. There's a counter to everything in this game, adjust, adjust , adjust.

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    • OTCU
      Banned
      • Sep 2012
      • 229

      #3
      Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

      Originally posted by demfl
      So basically you want to score all the time? If you play someone who knows how to play great D regardless of set, its going to be difficult. In the 1-3-1 not only am i vulnerable to a 3point fest but usually I have no guys underneath to rebound after the shot. It's not overpowered you just need to get better at adjusting.


      Like I said in the another thread, zone can be powerful for one reason only.
      NO ONE LIKES TO ADJUST.

      Everyone wants to run that same offense that put them on a 8 game winning streak. Suddenly your next game is against a player who is great in the zone and you keep trying to run your same 8 game winning streak plays, so you lose and in frustration you now want to label the zone cheese. Start playing with more than one game plan.

      Check the thread above another poster complaining about getting beat every time he runs zone. There's a counter to everything in this game, adjust, adjust , adjust.
      You're the only clown that thinks zone is cool. It has been proven that it is overpowered. If you can't play man to man on ball d you suck to me.
      Zone is OK when a guy is spamming the paint but the whole game? That's cheddar

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      • demfl
        Pro
        • Jun 2009
        • 585

        #4
        Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

        Originally posted by OTCU
        You're the only clown that thinks zone is cool. It has been proven that it is overpowered. If you can't play man to man on ball d you suck to me.
        Zone is OK when a guy is spamming the paint but the whole game? That's cheddar


        It's been proven? Really, show me

        In Basketball its been proven if you run the same offense, someone is going to come along and show it up.

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        • bls
          MVP
          • Oct 2003
          • 1786

          #5
          Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

          Originally posted by demfl
          So basically you want to score all the time? If you play someone who knows how to play great D regardless of set, its going to be difficult. In the 1-3-1 not only am i vulnerable to a 3point fest but usually I have no guys underneath to rebound after the shot. It's not overpowered you just need to get better at adjusting.


          Like I said in the another thread, zone can be powerful for one reason only.
          NO ONE LIKES TO ADJUST.

          Everyone wants to run that same offense that put them on a 8 game winning streak. Suddenly your next game is against a player who is great in the zone and you keep trying to run your same 8 game winning streak plays, so you lose and in frustration you now want to label the zone cheese. Start playing with more than one game plan.

          Check the thread above another poster complaining about getting beat every time he runs zone. There's a counter to everything in this game, adjust, adjust , adjust.
          Obviously you didn't read what I wrote. I don't want to score all the time. But if the user is taking advantage of the game flaws then yes I should. If you bring someone over to double you are leaving yourself vulnerable because you leave someone open. That's basketball. When the Lakers played the Celtics in the finals, they put Kobe on Rondo and let him roam around and dared Rondo to shoot. The thing is Rondo was open to shoot, he just couldn't make them.

          What I'm saying is the recovery to get back over to the open man is so fast, I'm not able to shoot. It's no way they should be able to cover a distance from the top of the key to the corner of the three point line and contest. It's just not possible but in this game you can double and recover all game long. It's unrealistic.

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          • bls
            MVP
            • Oct 2003
            • 1786

            #6
            Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

            Originally posted by demfl
            It's been proven? Really, show me

            In Basketball its been proven if you run the same offense, someone is going to come along and show it up.
            And you can't just run plays for a zone. You have to have ZONE BREAKER plays. I've only seen one play for zones and it's call "2-3 killer" and it takes forever to develop. Not to mention the face that these cheese heads are switching back and forth from man to zone and when they do that it breaks the offensive play up altogether.

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            • demfl
              Pro
              • Jun 2009
              • 585

              #7
              Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

              Originally posted by bls
              Obviously you didn't read what I wrote. I don't want to score all the time. But if the user is taking advantage of the game flaws then yes I should. If you bring someone over to double you are leaving yourself vulnerable because you leave someone open. That's basketball. When the Lakers played the Celtics in the finals, they put Kobe on Rondo and let him roam around and dared Rondo to shoot. The thing is Rondo was open to shoot, he just couldn't make them.

              What I'm saying is the recovery to get back over to the open man is so fast, I'm not able to shoot. It's no way they should be able to cover a distance from the top of the key to the corner of the three point line and contest. It's just not possible but in this game you can double and recover all game long. It's unrealistic.

              Fair argument and I will tell you that maybe in a month or so your game will improve. I play zone and have played against people who did a great job against it, they were able to find open 3s and easy baskets. What do you tell them players? Are they cheesing to counter it because whatever they're doing it's working.

              Maybe I came on too strong but I really think people are comfortable winning consistently with their offense and suddenly when a good zone player stop them they label it cheese and unrealistic.


              I considered myself great at running the zone and the people who beat me didn't cheese to so called counter the zone. They spread out the floor, didn't stay stationary in their dribble and drove thru the gaps in the zone, thats basketball.

              All I'm saying is get a little better against the zone before scapegoating with cheese or overpowered label. Against a great zone player you have to adjust, I will keep saying it.


              Tip # 1 against the 1-3-1 zone.

              Don't I repeat Don't dribble the ball at the top of the key with your PG as if you're about to run a play. Drive with your PG and kick it out to one of your players that will be wide open. Most people dribble stationary at the top of the key with their PG and that where the trouble begins.
              Last edited by demfl; 10-20-2012, 01:31 PM.

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              • sword1986
                Banned
                • Nov 2011
                • 1041

                #8
                Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

                I rip right through zone defenses. I haven't lost to anyone yet that used it. My gameplan is always going for the post and once I notice that Brook Lopez doesn't post up (cause in zone he just stands there). I sub in shooters. DWill, Johnson, Bogans, Green, Blatche and I will select screen for shooters. Dribble around with DWill, make a set up. You will bang shots automatically. It's not like last year where you threw bricks when you were wide open. Now they fall. Keith Bogans ends up looking like Ray Allen and I go on a tear. I also have another squad i call 'SNIPER' - DWill, Bogans/Johnson (whoever has more stamina), Wallace (rebounder), Evans (Rebounder), Humphries (rebounder). I will jack up shots and get a lot of offensive boards.

                There is a lot of strategy to winning. Even if someone knows what they're doing. Set up screens, block him out and bang shots.

                Who do you normally use online? Maybe I can help you out with some lineups.

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                • Biagas
                  Rookie
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 330

                  #9
                  Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

                  Floor spacing and recovery in zone is bad every year. oh well.

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                  • demfl
                    Pro
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 585

                    #10
                    Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

                    Originally posted by sword1986
                    I rip right through zone defenses. I haven't lost to anyone yet that used it. My gameplan is always going for the post and once I notice that Brook Lopez doesn't post up (cause in zone he just stands there). I sub in shooters. DWill, Johnson, Bogans, Green, Blatche and I will select screen for shooters. Dribble around with DWill, make a set up. You will bang shots automatically. It's not like last year where you threw bricks when you were wide open. Now they fall. Keith Bogans ends up looking like Ray Allen and I go on a tear. I also have another squad i call 'SNIPER' - DWill, Bogans/Johnson (whoever has more stamina), Wallace (rebounder), Evans (Rebounder), Humphries (rebounder). I will jack up shots and get a lot of offensive boards.

                    There is a lot of strategy to winning. Even if someone knows what they're doing. Set up screens, block him out and bang shots.

                    Who do you normally use online? Maybe I can help you out with some lineups.

                    Thank you man, finally someone who knows how to beat it. This is exactly how people beat my zone, run right thru it. If you look up in my earlier post, my tip against my own D was to not be stationary, you have to keep moving.


                    Originally posted by demfl

                    I considered myself great at running the zone and the people who beat me didn't cheese to so called counter the zone. They spread out the floor, didn't stay stationary in their dribble and drove thru the gaps in the zone, thats basketball.

                    Last edited by demfl; 10-20-2012, 01:40 PM.

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                    • bls
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 1786

                      #11
                      Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

                      Originally posted by demfl
                      Fair argument and I will tell you that maybe in a month or so your game will improve. I play zone and have played against people who did a great job against it, they were able to find open 3s and easy baskets. What do you tell them players? Are they cheesing to counter it because whatever they're doing it's working.

                      Maybe I came on too strong but I really think people are comfortable winning consistently with their offense and suddenly when a good zone player stop them they label it cheese and unrealistic.


                      I considered myself great at running the zone and the people who beat me didn't cheese to so called counter the zone. They spread out the floor, didn't stay stationary in their dribble and drove thru the gaps in the zone, thats basketball.

                      All I'm saying is get a little better against the zone before scapegoating with cheese or overpowered label. Against a great zone player you have to adjust, I will keep saying it.


                      Tip # 1 against the 1-3-1 zone.

                      Don't I repeat Don't dribble the ball at the top of the key with your PG as if you're about to run a play. Drive with your PG and kick it out to one of your players that will be wide open. Most people dribble stationary at the top of the key with their PG and that where the trouble begins.
                      Your still missing my point. If they leave a player open in a zone defense to double, and the the double man is too far away. It's impossible for them to recover, but yet they do. They are taking advantage of the speedy recovery due to the disproportion of the court and the slow passes.

                      Thats all I'm saying. What about my play art disappearing because they are going from man to zone. Is that cool? I like to run plays myself. I'm not a freestyler, all though I can do that as well and know that at times it's needed.

                      I'm just clearly stating the flaws in it. This is the only time I've lost to someone that does that nor will it be the last.

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                      • sword1986
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 1041

                        #12
                        Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

                        Originally posted by demfl
                        Thank you man, finally someone who knows how to beat it. This is exactly how people beat my zone, run right thru it. If you look up in my earlier post, my tip against my own D was to not be stationary, you have to keep moving.
                        Anybody who uses the Heat online with the default line up just doesn't have a chance. Shane Battier is at PF ... and when I have Reggie Evans or even Kris Humphries at the 4, there is no way he is boxing out either of them, given the size and strength disparity. Reggie Evans is like an anvil, he isn't moving. Wallace, Evans, and Humphries on the floor ... collapse and rebound is almost a given against LeBron, Battier, and Bosh.

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                        • bls
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 1786

                          #13
                          Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

                          Originally posted by sword1986
                          I rip right through zone defenses. I haven't lost to anyone yet that used it. My gameplan is always going for the post and once I notice that Brook Lopez doesn't post up (cause in zone he just stands there). I sub in shooters. DWill, Johnson, Bogans, Green, Blatche and I will select screen for shooters. Dribble around with DWill, make a set up. You will bang shots automatically. It's not like last year where you threw bricks when you were wide open. Now they fall. Keith Bogans ends up looking like Ray Allen and I go on a tear. I also have another squad i call 'SNIPER' - DWill, Bogans/Johnson (whoever has more stamina), Wallace (rebounder), Evans (Rebounder), Humphries (rebounder). I will jack up shots and get a lot of offensive boards.

                          There is a lot of strategy to winning. Even if someone knows what they're doing. Set up screens, block him out and bang shots.

                          Who do you normally use online? Maybe I can help you out with some lineups.
                          Do it with the Pistons and come back with your results

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                          • sword1986
                            Banned
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 1041

                            #14
                            Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

                            Originally posted by bls
                            Do it with the Pistons and come back with your results

                            I am looking at the Pistons right now - of course you can.

                            3 lineups I would use to destroy zone defenders:

                            Brandon Knight
                            Kim English
                            Tayshaun/Maggett (good depth)
                            Charlie V/Jonas Jerebko (good depth)
                            Greg Monroe/Andre Drummond (Andre Drummond underrated at the moment, but good depth)

                            If they have a small line up like the Heat who have Battier at PF, use this:

                            Brandon Knight
                            Kim English
                            Charlie V
                            Jason Maxiel
                            Greg Monroe


                            Killer lineup right here, rain 3s
                            Stuckey (drive and kick with him, attract double teams)
                            Kim English
                            Corey Maggette
                            Tayshaun Prince
                            Charlie V

                            EDIT: Wow, i went to try it out in practice and the dude Kim English is a reserve. that is a big blow to the Pistons. Have Corey Maggette replace English at SG, Tayshaun at SF, Jonas Jerebko at PF, Villanueva C
                            Last edited by sword1986; 10-20-2012, 02:13 PM.

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                            • bls
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 1786

                              #15
                              Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

                              Originally posted by sword1986
                              I am looking at the Pistons right now - of course you can.

                              3 lineups I would use to destroy zone defenders:

                              Brandon Knight
                              Kim English
                              Tayshaun/Maggett (good depth)
                              Charlie V/Jonas Jerebko (good depth)
                              Greg Monroe/Andre Drummond (Andre Drummond underrated at the moment, but good depth)

                              If they have a small line up like the Heat who have Battier at PF, use this:

                              Brandon Knight
                              Kim English
                              Charlie V
                              Jason Maxiel
                              Greg Monroe


                              Killer lineup right here, rain 3s
                              Stuckey (drive and kick with him, attract double teams)
                              Kim English
                              Corey Maggette
                              Tayshaun Prince
                              Charlie V

                              EDIT: Wow, i went to try it out in practice and the dude Kim English is a reserve. that is a big blow to the Pistons. Have Corey Maggette replace English at SG, Tayshaun at SF, Jonas Jerebko at PF, Villanueva C
                              Use them and come back and give me your results

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