Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

[OTCU]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

I don't really care about how anyone plays, but all you were doing was playing off ball d. Your posts above seemed arrogant. Maybe i'm wrong though.

To the OP: Quit playing online. Join a sim league or find some GT's/PSN's here from OS and play them when you want an enjoyable experience.

It's a game. At the end of the day there will always be "exploits." I posted a little bit ago, but i'll say it again.

Most of you guys who break it down into "sim" and or "cheese" pretty much just want the game handed to you. The moment someone doesn't play the way you want them to you cry about it. I'm all for playing online and enjoying an awesome sim experience but when I play a quick play I don't complain because I know 2K has to cater to the casual gamer also.

You all know 9/10 times on a quick play game what type of experience you are going to have. So why do you insist on continuing to get heated and then come on here and bash the game/devs? Bash yourself for continuing to put yourself in that position.

Doesn't matter how sim a game is if the user is a turd.

Yeah I agree that some people use "Sim" as a cop out to why they aren't good. For example I was in a league and the guy said I was driving and kicking too much lol what?
He then said I shot to many threes but we had the same amount of attempts only difference was I made 5 and he hasn't hit one. But some things can be abused and can't be controlled

[PurePlayinSerb]

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Whoever that was you was playing was in man to man defense.

i was the one playing the zone, pay attention to why i posted it

[Sasquash]

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People aren't seeing the big picture here yeah 2k can always remove zone defense and just make it difficult to play because of complainers but watch how those same people will complain when someone picks the heat and just bullies their way to the paint with lebron or wade, or any star players for that matter. Idk about everyone else but I'd take unrealistic running of zone in this game than be bullied down low. True zone isn't ran much in the NBA but unlike the nba there are ways to abuse the video game

[mbmonk]

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I had decent success against the 1-3-1 using a play called 4 High Post with the Lakers. The floor spacing was solid. Gasol is a great high post player so I just called this play all game long and worked at it.

EDIT: The play is located in Gasol's grouping of plays. I think to call it on PS3 it's just L1, triangle, triangle.

I think I scored 40+ points. It was enough to beat the Clippers user who ran the 1-3-1. Thought, to be fair, his team had a poor shooting night.

I actually haven't seen that much zone in my meager 12 quick match games. So maybe I have just been playing against poor players.

I am interested in seeing how the Shake PnR ( variation of the Spread PnR ) works against a 2-3. I think Kentucky ran this against the 2-3 zone last season. I am going to test that tonight if I have the time.

[cardinalbird5]

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I had decent success against the 1-3-1 using a play called 4 High Post with the Lakers. The floor spacing was solid. Gasol is a great high post player so I just called this play all game long and worked at it.

I think I scored 40+ points. It was enough to beat the Clippers user who ran the 1-3-1. Thought, to be fair, his team had a poor shooting night.

I actually haven't seen that much zone in my meager 12 quick match games. So maybe I have just been playing against poor players.

I am interested in seeing how the Shake PnR ( variation of the Spread PnR ) works against a 2-3. I think Kentucky ran this against the 2-3 zone last season. I am going to test that tonight if I have the time.

Interesting. I'll have to try it out.

[DatGD12guage]

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So basically you want to score all the time? If you play someone who knows how to play great D regardless of set, its going to be difficult. In the 1-3-1 not only am i vulnerable to a 3point fest but usually I have no guys underneath to rebound after the shot. It's not overpowered you just need to get better at adjusting.


Like I said in the another thread, zone can be powerful for one reason only.
NO ONE LIKES TO ADJUST.

Everyone wants to run that same offense that put them on a 8 game winning streak. Suddenly your next game is against a player who is great in the zone and you keep trying to run your same 8 game winning streak plays, so you lose and in frustration you now want to label the zone cheese. Start playing with more than one game plan.

Check the thread above another poster complaining about getting beat every time he runs zone. There's a counter to everything in this game, adjust, adjust , adjust.

I have to disagree, seems like to me you so called sim guys just dont want to be labeled so called cheesers. If it wasnt overpowered then y do u think guys who know how to abuse it stay in a zone the WHOLE game EVERY game? When is the last time you seen a nba team in real life play 1-3-1 or 2-3 the WHOLE game EVERY game lets be real here?............Ok then. He said it in the first post its the slow passing in this game that allows for the fast d recovering and you guys know that yall cheesers stop playin lol.

[bls]

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I had decent success against the 1-3-1 using a play called 4 High Post with the Lakers. The floor spacing was solid. Gasol is a great high post player so I just called this play all game long and worked at it.

EDIT: The play is located in Gasol's grouping of plays. I think to call it on PS3 it's just L1, triangle, triangle.

I think I scored 40+ points. It was enough to beat the Clippers user who ran the 1-3-1. Thought, to be fair, his team had a poor shooting night.

I actually haven't seen that much zone in my meager 12 quick match games. So maybe I have just been playing against poor players.

I am interested in seeing how the Shake PnR ( variation of the Spread PnR ) works against a 2-3. I think Kentucky ran this against the 2-3 zone last season. I am going to test that tonight if I have the time.

Does your plays keep getting broken while their in a zone? I know for me, I have to call the play atleast three times in one possesion for it to even go through and by that time the shot clock is down.

[mbmonk]

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About the "4 High" play, Gasol has the Post Playmaker Sig Skill.

Here is a summary of that Sig Skill

Post Playmaker
Players with this skill have decent court vision and can make passes from out of the post to make good plays. This skill requires that the pass must come from post -up stance to a free teammate. The receiver will get a an added 10% chance of making the basket and an added 4% chance of making a 3-pointer.

So I would pass it to Gasol, and instantly press triangle to enter my post stance. If the defense collapsed I would kick out to the open shooter and take the shot, since there was a bonus to make it because Gasol was making the pass. If the defense did not collapse, I would then face up and try to get Gasol deep into the paint and either score or hit a teammate.

Does your plays keep getting broken while their in a zone? I know for me, I have to call the play atleast three times in one possesion for it to even go through and by that time the shot clock is down.

See the above. Honestly the game I used this in was a couple of weeks back. So this is my best recollection of how I played it.

I apologies for being so vague before. It took some time for my memory to refresh. I am not saying this is the only/best way to play it.

[Get Blunted]

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I think running a zone defense is a great neutralizer for the isolation-crossover-and-drive fest I've experienced when playing MyTeam. I don't run zone the whole game, and I always start out the game in man-to-man. Really, the only time I use a zone is when someone only plays a one-on-one style. I even played zone against a guy who had Novak. He hit a few threes, but I'll take those occasional threes over 40 points in the paint.

I've only played three games online in MyTeam, so its not a big sample, but I think the key to winning is not some "cheese" tactic. Overusing a superstar is the exception, but for the most part, if you play with a dynamic game plan that is hard to predict you'll win a lot of games against impatient people with low basketball IQs.

[demfl]

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I have to disagree, seems like to me you so called sim guys just dont want to be labeled so called cheesers. If it wasnt overpowered then y do u think guys who know how to abuse it stay in a zone the WHOLE game EVERY game? When is the last time you seen a nba team in real life play 1-3-1 or 2-3 the WHOLE game EVERY game lets be real here?............Ok then. He said it in the first post its the slow passing in this game that allows for the fast d recovering and you guys know that yall cheesers stop playin lol.

You let me know if Isolation is cheese with man defense? Zone is powerful yes, cheese no unless Isolation with any superstar would be cheese by your definition. In that case we should just let the CPU play the game for us.I hate the word cheese in general because it sometimes describes someone who can't take losing. Spin dunking is cheese not zone imo. Zone is very powerful in 2k13 just like Isolations are with superstars in 2k13. They both counter each other. If 2k wanted to take the zone out they might as well take out the crossover. A hint of sarcasm on my part.

[OTCU]

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You let me know if Isolation is cheese with man defense? Zone is powerful yes, cheese no unless Isolation with any superstar would be cheese by your definition. In that case we should just let the CPU play the game for us.I hate the word cheese in general because it usually describes someone who can't take losing. Spin dunking is cheese not zone imo. Zone is very powerful in 2k13 just like Isolations are with superstars in 2k13. They both counter each other. If 2k wanted to take the zone out they might as well take out the crossover. A hint of sarcasm on my part.

Spam ISO is cheese what's your point?
If you can't stay in front of your man then you should learn how to play the game or stick to call of duty

[demfl]

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Spam ISO is cheese what's your point?
If you can't stay in front of your man then you should learn how to play the game or stick to call of duty

Fact is you're not talking about me, it's everybody. Everybody that I play online goes into zone now, so I guess all us folks should redo training camp right? The Irony of your statement about learning how to play the game is most of have and that involves using the zone to stop superstars.

Let me be clear, I don't like cheeser but your advice is probably meant for people who get beat by cheeser. Instead of complaining about the spin dunk, learn how to play 2k13 by countering it. I love your advice.

[OTCU]

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Fact is you're not talking about me, it's everybody. Everybody that I play online goes into zone now, so I guess all us folks should redo training camp right? The Irony of your statement about learning how to play the game is most of have and that involves using the zone to stop superstars.

Let me be clear, I don't like cheeser but your advice is probably meant for people who get beat by cheeser. Instead of complaining about the spin dunk, learn how to play 2k13 by countering it. I love your advice.

But you use zone every game not just against LeBron and you bring up irrelevant stuff because you can't tell me how it isn't cheese. If I jump off a cliff should you too?

[scoonie05]

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^^^Lol, nice....

[demfl]

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But you use zone every game not just against LeBron and you bring up irrelevant stuff because you can't tell me how it isn't cheese. If I jump off a cliff should you too?

I have always used zone, that my style, why do you think its in the game? Not my fault 2k made it overpowered? So now you say zone is cheese and isolating with Lebron? How are people suppose to play?