Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

[thetalkofanation]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

My god this thread is on repeat.

Zone is a tad bit "cheesy" to use since playing zone defense will not allow you to run post play properly as the posting player will never post. Negating post plays, that is an exploit of the game engine/system plain and simple. You can still run plays, but posters will never post, you have to do it manually.

However, zone is not unbeatable, as described many times in this thread it can be beat by freestyling, manual PnRs and driving-kick outs to open shooters.

As for the long gather animations, make a better pass, get someone with Dimer and/or Floor General signature skills.

Court ratio is debatable and honestly there is no point in complaining (well there is a point but no its really just beating the dead horse).

Defense switching from zone to man to zone to man, etc... multiple times during one defensive play is exploiting the offensive players awareness which results in a broken offensive play, again plain and simple, an exploit of the game engine.

Up and unders, Eurosteps, Hopsteps (while I'm at it) are not an exploit, there are contact animations for every move in the game. Problem is that by default the contact sliders are far too low. The problem I see is that the CPU can cause the contact animations to trigger everytime while the USER does not, probably USER error more than likely.

Lastly to paraphrase AllStarDaDon, why is anyone on OS playing online quick ranked matches on Pro/AllStar difficulty w/ default sliders expecting to get a realistic NBA type game, its not gonna happen (well at least 99% of the time).

You are on a SIM Sports website, check out the online section and hit some people up, there are always like minded players looking to run 5 minute quarters, 8's, 10's and 12's.

Thank you Jason Williams. My goodness.

[cardinalbird5]

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ive read to many cry baby posts in all the threads.. hahahaha your funny. Im trying to help people win against the zone and you still cry.. it's not overpowered. Just the people who play against it don't know how to play.

I'd love to hear your sound advice in helping people "win" against a zone. I guess it is as simple as a pick and roll or call an isolation and move the ball. Anyone here can do that....not the point of the thread. You don't prove nothing by using a team like the Lakers and Heat and beating the zone defense on pro difficulty.

The problem is the play art disappearing, the lack of rebounds not occurring in a zone, and you can't do simple post ups. Some of us here like to use actual basketball knowledge, run plays, have game plans, etc. The fact that you can't apply this knowledge to a zone is the problem. No one cares you can beat the zone by calling an iso and doing a skip pass to chuck a 3. No coach would teach that or rely on that 1 tactic.

[thetalkofanation]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

I'd love to hear your sound advice in helping people "win" against a zone. I guess it is as simple as a pick and roll or call an isolation and move the ball. Anyone here can do that....not the point of the thread. You don't prove nothing by using a team like the Lakers and Heat and beating the zone defense on pro difficulty.

The problem is the play art disappearing, the lack of rebounds not occurring in a zone, and you can't do simple post ups. Some of us here like to use actual basketball knowledge, run plays, have game plans, etc. The fact that you can't apply this knowledge to a zone is the problem. No one cares you can beat the zone by calling an iso and doing a skip pass to chuck a 3. No coach would teach that or rely on that 1 tactic.

what? have you even read this thread.. plenty of advice. you dont even need to use miami or lakers or none of them.

[cardinalbird5]

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what? have you even read this thread.. plenty of advice. you dont even need to use miami or lakers or none of them.

I have read it. I didn't say you had to use those teams either. I am just assuming most users already do.

The advice I have gathered from the people who think zone is legit......is to call a PnR or isolation then drive and kick. Anyone knows that.....but that is not the point. The point is there should be postups and plays to counter a zone defense, but there isn't due.

Read my entire post.

[MadManCometh]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

The zone can be beaten. That's not the point. It's like some of you can't comprehend worth a damn. The problem is that it's 'over powered'. What is it that some of you can't comprehend about that. We didn't say it wasn't beatable. It's over powered in terms that it's stronger than it should be. It's that simple. Can it be beat? Yes. But is it stronger than it should be? Most definitely. That's why at least 80% online is now running a zone. There are multiple reasons why it's unrealistic. One is the fact that the game is so over done with so many animations. Another is the fact that your computer teammates often stand in bad locations. But I understand some of you go online and run this crap so you have to defend your defense. However, you are still garbage. If you can only play good defense because you run a zone you are straight garbage. Zone is ran in the NBA as a last resort. It's almost like admitting that you can't match-up. No team in the NBA starts the game out in a zone and stay in it all game. It's something teams use as a last resort and for short periods of time. But some of you bums online is running it from the tip off all game long? If it was so easy to beat, then why is so many people running it online?

Go watch some NBA games and look at how many teams actually run a 1-3-1 or a 2-3. Then go into quick match and see how many bums is playing zone online. There's a reason for that.

[Optik]

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Try playing off ball offense with player lock. Just press LB, then the button of the player you want to exclusively control, then RB. This is better than Total Control Passing, because the other players will actually be moving instead of standing still. Heck, when my opponent was playing zone I wasn't even shooting, my CPU team-mates were just finding space and nailing wide open shots LOL.

You can set screens and picks by pressing B. Sometimes, I would just roam around the paint with my big man and find open space and receive a pass, without even calling for it. Your CPU team-mates are intelligent enough.

[Optik]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

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For the people who want actual plays, and not vague nonsense from zone apologists.

[Ramboooo]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

Is it "beatable" ? sure. Is it as easy to beat it as it should be? Far from it. We should be heavily discouraged from using zone, something that should be a last ditch effort, yet the game rewards playing zone. Proof is in the pudding - everyone is using it online because it's over-effective.

[MadManCometh]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

Is it "beatable" ? sure. Is it as easy to beat it as it should be? Far from it. We should be heavily discouraged from using zone, something that should be a last ditch effort, yet the game rewards playing zone. Proof is in the pudding - everyone is using it online because it's over-effective.

Exactly!! No one is saying it's unbeatable because I've burned teams repeatedly. But it shouldn't be as strong as it is. The big problem for me is sometimes I'll hit a open player and he does that 2 to 3 second catch/gather animation. By that time the defense recovers.

[NINJAK2]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

People aren't seeing the big picture here yeah 2k can always remove zone defense and just make it difficult to play because of complainers but watch how those same people will complain when someone picks the heat and just bullies their way to the paint with lebron or wade, or any star players for that matter. Idk about everyone else but I'd take unrealistic running of zone in this game than be bullied down low. True zone isn't ran much in the NBA but unlike the nba there are ways to abuse the video game

I don't think anyone here cares if zones cut down on points in the paint Sas(That is what they were designed to do)It's the fact that some have been able to shut down both the paint and perimeter with this defensive set due to fast defensive recovery times along with passing that is still not fast enough. Not to mention they suffer very little in the rebounding department as well which goes against all logic of them. There should always be a plus/minus involved with employing particular defensive sets and that is not always the case with 2k13. I still love this game though and can understand everyone's point of view in the matter.

[stillfeelme]

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Zone defense is definitely overpowered compared to man. The problem is the game seems to be tuned to allow too much scoring inside on man. I think they did this to make it appeal to more casual gamers. Help defense is lackluster and late. Contact in the paint is not where it should be. The default awareness on man is no way near what it should be. Zone can be beat but it is not realisitic. Players are covering too much ground still

[Raw Energy]

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zone sucks i hate that players get lost in a zone how do you play in the nBA yet can't run a 2-3 properly or at least know where you are suppose to be in the zone.

Try running zone to keep from having to guard perimeter as center but can't run it effectively b/c blocks are non existent even with Javalee Mcgee and no contact when trying to body post players just get moved to the side for easy score or slide like in 2k12

[Ramboooo]

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Anyone who plays zone is a straight up coward. That's all I gotta say. Every effing game wow... CPU-dependent cowards.

[Sasquash]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

I don't think anyone here cares if zones cut down on points in the paint Sas(That is what they were designed to do)It's the fact that some have been able to shut down both the paint and perimeter with this defensive set due to fast defensive recovery times along with passing that is still not fast enough. Not to mention they suffer very little in the rebounding department as well which goes against all logic of them. There should always be a plus/minus involved with employing particular defensive sets and that is not always the case with 2k13. I still love this game though and can understand everyone's point of view in the matter.

Your right zone defense is overpowered and it's because of the game programming hopefully 2k makes it like you said have both advantages and disadvantages because 2k can't force users to play man however 2k can make users have disadvantages if they decide not to and same should apply for any defense. At the present state tho people are running zone all game because it can be abused there's no denying it.

[GaTechPimp]

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Jesus Christ guys... it's a video game. It will never be 100% sim. The human element and need to win will always turn video games into a self-policing cheese state.

I have more of an issue with passing than zone defense being overpowered. The cpu on hall of fame eats my zone defense alive.

There are some inherant weaknesses to playing the zone. Run that risk if you have to.