Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

[mbmonk]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

Yea. The Shake PnR does work against the 2-3 zone. So it's a nice because it works against man as well. I just need to test it against the 1-3-1 and the 3-2. I doubt it will work against those but I will test it later to be sure.

Here is a pic of the Shake


I would want to have my shooters in for this play obviously. 1 would use the screen to drive toward the middle, drawing the other defender up top in the 2-3, then kick it to the 4 in this diagram for an open three point shot.

[Sci0n]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

Pick in roll obliterates zone defense, be patient and run half court plays and you will quickly make your zone d opponent quit because its really easy to counter.

[OTCU]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

I have always used zone, that my style, why do you think its in the game? Not my fault 2k made it overpowered? So now you say zone is cheese and isolating with Lebron? How are people suppose to play?

Um OK now I'm convinced that you have down syndrome. You should be able to play realistically and without abusing cheese. Point blank you suck at the game. You come here bragging you have the best defense in the universe but its because you cheese

[capitolrf]

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Pick in roll obliterates zone defense, be patient and run half court plays and you will quickly make your zone d opponent quit because its really easy to counter.

Finally a guy who knows basketball, all I do is run a simple pick & roll from the wing against zone users. You must attack with the ball handler while your man rolls, it's like a 2 on 1 break, just make the right read and it's a bucket all day. You other guys just over-thinking it.

[OTCU]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

Finally a guy who knows basketball, all I do is run a simple pick & roll from the wing against zone users. You must attack with the ball handler while your man rolls, it's like a 2 on 1 break, just make the right read and it's a bucket all day. You other guys just over-thinking it.

No one ever said it can't be beat...... its just annoying having a guy controlling his center trapping playing the passing lanes and manually closing out on everyone

[bls]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

Pick in roll obliterates zone defense, be patient and run half court plays and you will quickly make your zone d opponent quit because its really easy to counter.

Does your play disappear when you call plays?

[capitolrf]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

No one ever said it can't be beat...... its just annoying having a guy controlling his center trapping playing the passing lanes and manually closing out on everyone

I feel what you saying, but we all playing the same game which have the same moves. If one person likes a move or style of play better than another move or style what's wrong with that. I just don't get how one person can tell another person how he wants them to play the game against them.

[demfl]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

Um OK now I'm convinced that you have down syndrome. You should be able to play realistically and without abusing cheese. Point blank you suck at the game. You come here bragging you have the best defense in the universe but its because you cheese

Personal attacks? Really, take step back, it's a video game. I play how I like and and you will never see me complaining about cheesers, instead of being productive like a few in the thread who's offering insight on how to beat the zone you simple going to label anything you can't stop or get annoyed with cheese.

You suggest call of duty? I suggest you play on rookie mode game speed at 1 and maybe then you can have your sim game. With your logic everything is cheese. Instead of finding ways to contain Lebrons, you would rather keep losing. At the end of the day 2k is a "video game" a game, that all it is.

I happy to say I can beat the 1-3-1, spin dunk, full court outlet passing, because I'm good at the game.

[OTCU]

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Personal attacks? Really, take step back, it's a video game. I play how I like and and you will never see me complaining about cheesers, instead of being productive like a few in the thread who's offering insight on how to beat the zone you simple going to label anything you can't stop or get annoyed with cheese.

You suggest call of duty? I suggest you play on rookie mode game speed at 1 and maybe then you can have your sim game. With your logic everything is cheese. Instead of finding ways to contain Lebrons, you would rather keep losing. At the end of the day 2k is a "video game" a game, that all it is.

I happy to say I can beat the 1-3-1, spin dunk, full court outlet passing, because I'm good at the game.

I never said I was Sim......
I only have a problem because you came in here bragging about your d.
And stop with this "you can't beat the zone so you complain" crap. Its super easy to beat it its just annoying. I have never lost to a zone cheese so once again you're wrong.
I'd beat you by 30 easily so just stop because you're not debatable. You keep bringing up irrelevant bull****.

[the_real_mui]

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You're the only clown that thinks zone is cool. It has been proven that it is overpowered. If you can't play man to man on ball d you suck to me.
Zone is OK when a guy is spamming the paint but the whole game? That's cheddar

you go with what works...if he is playing zone with on ball defense im pretty sure thats fine...i tend to not use zone that much because its too easy to give open shots

[the_real_mui]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

Personal attacks? Really, take step back, it's a video game. I play how I like and and you will never see me complaining about cheesers, instead of being productive like a few in the thread who's offering insight on how to beat the zone you simple going to label anything you can't stop or get annoyed with cheese.

You suggest call of duty? I suggest you play on rookie mode game speed at 1 and maybe then you can have your sim game. With your logic everything is cheese. Instead of finding ways to contain Lebrons, you would rather keep losing. At the end of the day 2k is a "video game" a game, that all it is.

I happy to say I can beat the 1-3-1, spin dunk, full court outlet passing, because I'm good at the game.

yeah you beat it by spammnig steals and double teaming every player using 2-3 zone...lol anyone can do that if they wanted to...i guess im good too then

[MadManCometh]

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If your playing somebody that really knows what their doing its overpowered.

Basically they just take an off ball defender in the zone and come over and trap you. Now the court proportion ratio is so small in this game, is not much space from the 3pt line to the half court line. And the way 2k makes your man move in this game it's sometimes hard to get around.

But my point is, you can have a man wide open on the other side of the defense but either of 2 things will happen giving the benefit to the defense and that is, either the ball with get tip or stolen OR because the court is so small they're able to recover at an alarming rate, and the speed of the ball on the pass is so slow that by the time it gets to the open teammate, they have already recover.

You can swing it to the open man all game long but the recovery is so fast that you'll never get the open look that your suppose to have due to the speedy recovery. It's no way someone should be able to bring a defender all the way to the top of the key and leave someone open all alone in the corner and by the time I get the ball to them they have recovered back to him. That's unrealistic. In a 2-3 you are gonna give up some open shots, thats the whole point of it, to limit inside scoring. But the way it is now, it allows the user to cover both.

Another thing that a zone tends to due because of all the help defense zones give, in reality it gives room for more offensive rebounds. But in this game, you get defensive rebounds better when your in a zone. Your not vulnerable to giving up offensive rebounds like a zone would do.

2k really needs to looking into scaling their players down even smaller to get the right proportion of the court cause as of now it's off. I can call a play right now at the top of the key and go to the play circle to start the play. If I just slightly tap the LS back to move my player back alittle, i'll take this bounce stutter step back and it'll be a back court violation.

As of now I only see 1 play for zones called "2-3 killer" and it literally takes forever to get it going. I can run pick and rolls all day but they just double down and when the man is wide open , they switch to the defender closest in the zone and just sprint over to the open man. By the time the ball gets their......too late. Frustrating!!!

Man!! So f**king right dude! I created a thread on this not knowing someone else had already started one. But u nailed it. And u are absolutely correct, zone defense should give up a ton of offensive rebounds, but it doesn't. You can play zone all game and still get the defensive rebound very well. In fact, I play man and I've played people online that play zone and they will have more offensive rebounds than me. Which is disturbing. I agree on all your points and u are not alone. Another issue I have is sometimes when pass a player the ball he goes into a extended catch animation before u can gather and shoot. Sometimes CPU teammates will stand next to a defender in zone, instead of going to the soft spots in the zone. And sometimes ur CPU teammates will even stand by another teammate, which allows one defender to guard two players. It's frustrating. And people go online, run this garbage and think they have some great defense. Please!!

[MadManCometh]

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im a basketball purist love playing man to man, but man to man is useless in this game, decided to give the weak in real life zone defense a shot, and now my defense magically turned unstoppable, that is clearly a flaw in the game, and an exploit, when everyone you play online is in a zone all game, that clearly is a flaw and an exploit

LOL! Intelligent people know this! Especially when everyone in quick match is running zone defense. But what kills me, is guys that get on a online forum and try to defend this garbage. I guess this is the defense they run and they want to defend it so they don't feel as though they are not cheese. lmao! I'm sorry, if u can run a defense and the cpu gets you 10 steals without u doing anything that's wack!!

I got a lot of respect for you because you stated that you like to run man, but u admit to playing zone and how ur defense is unstoppable. See, you are a realist. You know it's not your skill that improved the defense, but the fact that the game is flawed. Unlike others who run zone and think it's realistic and they have some type of defensive skill. lmao!!

[mbmonk]

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I think people using hyperbole has been part of the problem in this discussion. People talking about the zone being "unstoppable" or "unbeatable" are making rather significant claims w/o any significant data to back it up in my opinion. To be clear I am not say zone isn't the best defense in the game. But that is a different argument than saying it's "unbeatable" etc.

I have been getting rear end handed to me online while playing man to man defense, switched to zone and turned the game completely. Does that means it's unstoppable or unbeatable? Not necessarily. It could be that my opponent doesn't know how to beat a zone or hasn't practiced against it enough with the specific team he is using.

The argument 'everybody online is using it' doesn't prove it's unbeatable, or that it's the best defense either. In the past "everybody" thought the world was flat. That didn't make it true. I think there have been some solid arguments made that it is the best defense. I just want to clarify that this isn't one of them.

I have had success against my limited encounters against zones in online play. But it could be completely possible that I have played against poor zone players. I have attempted to practice against zones and discover plays that are useful against them. So far it has worked, but I haven't played and elite player. So maybe I just haven't been fully tested.

[keshunleon]

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Your still missing my point. If they leave a player open in a zone defense to double, and the the double man is too far away. It's impossible for them to recover, but yet they do. They are taking advantage of the speedy recovery due to the disproportion of the court and the slow passes.

Thats all I'm saying. What about my play art disappearing because they are going from man to zone. Is that cool? I like to run plays myself. I'm not a freestyler, all though I can do that as well and know that at times it's needed.

I'm just clearly stating the flaws in it. This is the only time I've lost to someone that does that nor will it be the last.

Well said!

Fast recovery especially for slow players gets on my nerves.

I will swing the ball around and passing is somewhat fast but as soon as I past it to the open man it slows down. So I try to use the defenders momentum but as soon as I try to go around him the animation slides the defender in great position or I get stuck in a slow animation.

Also there should be a 3-5 second delay when a team changes from man to zone and vice versa. It happens to fast and you can continue to change it over and over and the defensive team is rarely punished.