Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

[MadManCometh]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

I already answered this. It was in my original post. It doesn't tell me any one specific thing. It suggests multiple possible reasons. But until I know the quality of the opponent I am playing on the other end ( how knowledgeable he is about basketball, 2K the video game, his players, and his playbook ) it doesn't tell me one specific answer.

I only face zones in 2K online. They aren't ran offline by the CPU to my knowledge. So I never had to worry about beating a zone until I played online. On top of that we have a defense that is relatively rare in real life basketball being used against us (1-3-1). So most people don't know how to beat it, much less actually practiced beating it. So of course it is going to give most people fits.

There are more than "1 zone play" in the game. It's our job to find them and use them against the proper zones. I have found multiple plays that attack zones and I have been fine so far.

Question for you:
Have you gone into practice mode and tried all the plays in your playbook against the zones you are having problems with?

You have 30 minutes.......... :P

You have FAILED!!! You simply don't get it. It's not about the practice mode or an understanding on how to beat a zone. The problem with this game is that everything is over done with animations. The fact that your player's often takes 3 seconds to catch and gather, kills the fact that you ran a perfect play to beat the zone. Do you understand that? Also, online player's have figured out that their defenders move much faster than you can hit the open man. The minute u pass the ball, they switch to the closest defender and turbo to the open player to challenge the shot. I wish I could you tube this sequence for you but you can have a player wide open and the zone defender(s) can recover. This game is broken defensively.

If you play 20 people online right now, I will say at least 80% of your opponents will be in zone. Why do you think that is? It wasn't like that in previous years and it wasn't like that upon week 1 release. People have simply figured out that zone is simply over powered. Plain and simple. You can play a zone, have player's running wild all over the court and still get the defensive rebounds, which is another unrealistic aspect of this game because zone defense is suspect to offensive rebounds.

[MadManCometh]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

Smace767, posting a biography about zone defense in real life has nothing to do with the style of zone defense in 2k13. Two different things. What happens in zone in the NBA is something totally different from what's happening in zone in 2k13.

You can't leave players wide open with no defender within a 15 ft radius in the NBA and still fail to get off a quality shot. That doesn't happen in the NBA, but it does happen in NBA 2k13. Get a clue kid.

[Sasquash]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

A big debate over nothing, the reason 85% of people online play zone is because it's a effective defense and is much easier to play than man to man

[MadManCometh]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

A big debate over nothing, the reason 85% of people online play zone is because it's a effective defense and is much easier to play than man to man

Something being effective and unrealistic is two different things. If it's effective but realistic I have zero issues with that. But being totally unrealistic and effective is a big issue. I play strictly man to man. I refuse to run a defense that I know is garbage.

[Kaworu517]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

Something being effective and unrealistic is two different things. If it's effective but realistic I have zero issues with that. But being totally unrealistic and effective is a big issue. I play strictly man to man. I refuse to run a defense that I know is garbage.

Well you have 2 options: Beat 'em or join 'em.

Notice that neither of those options are "Bitch and moan on the internet for the developers to change it to your liking."

Since you refuse to join 'em, you're just gonna have to deal with it.

[walk with me]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

zone defense is about as powerful as it needs to be.... the only people who have trouble with it

A) can't shoot
B) play like scrubs with lebron or KD and run from end to end and just do thunder dunks and play ZERO MAN ON MAN (lets the computer do the dirty work) defense


try playing real basketball and you might be able to bust someones zone wide open

[Ramboooo]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

zone defense is about as powerful as it needs to be.... the only people who have trouble with it

A) can't shoot
B) play like scrubs with lebron or KD and run from end to end and just do thunder dunks and play ZERO MAN ON MAN (lets the computer do the dirty work) defense


try playing real basketball and you might be able to bust someones zone wide open

Yeah uh no...

zone is letting the cpu do the dirty work since it's so powerful. If open shots didn't clank it'd be a different story. But working for an open shot doesn't matter vs zone apparently and the recovery speed is too fast. Why is a tactic used 9 out of 10 times online yet in 9 out of 10 times in the real nba it's not used? Obviously cuz it's more effective in 2k13 than it is in reality. It's lazy man defense. The problem is the same weaknesses in the real nba from playing zone is not translated to 2k13. I don't see the difference between cheesy offense and cheesy defense (zone).

[Ronnie brown23]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

i shred zones. find plays that beat zones. there are plenty of plays where you can get a free guy rolling to the basket on a pick n roll while at the same time having a guy standing on the 3 point line. some plays even give you multiple options allowing you to drive the lane for a lay up/dunk/pull up J, while having a player rolling at the same time with shooters in the corners. penetration is key. 2-3 can be shredded by one play.2-3 killer. you also need to the players to do it. big men who can shoot the ball are also a big help when facing zone.

[thetalkofanation]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

This thread needs to closed. Should be called the crybaby can't play 2k thread. Zone's are soooo easy to shred. Drive to the basket kick out, make smart passes. PASS THE BALL!.. ATTACK THE ZONE! CALL PLAYS! The euro-step is your friend against a zone too, if people want to run it.. euro-step your way through the paint and then dish. On defense it's even easier to take care of people who bully with lebron or wade or rudy gay.. just pressure them with L2 or Left trigger, this isn't hard people. Stop crying about the game and learn how to play.

[Lucretius8]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

zone defense is about as powerful as it needs to be.... the only people who have trouble with it

A) can't shoot
B) play like scrubs with lebron or KD and run from end to end and just do thunder dunks and play ZERO MAN ON MAN (lets the computer do the dirty work) defense


try playing real basketball and you might be able to bust someones zone wide open

What does playing man on man defense have to do with breaking the zone. That's two different ends of the floor. Your post makes no sense

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This thread needs to closed. Should be called the crybaby can't play 2k thread. Zone's are soooo easy to shred. Drive to the basket kick out, make smart passes. PASS THE BALL!.. ATTACK THE ZONE! CALL PLAYS! The euro-step is your friend against a zone too, if people want to run it.. euro-step your way through the paint and then dish. On defense it's even easier to take care of people who bully with lebron or wade or rudy gay.. just pressure them with L2 or Left trigger, this isn't hard people. Stop crying about the game and learn how to play.

Obviously u didnt read any of the post in this thread.

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[walk with me]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

Yeah uh no...

zone is letting the cpu do the dirty work since it's so powerful. If open shots didn't clank it'd be a different story. But working for an open shot doesn't matter vs zone apparently and the recovery speed is too fast. Why is a tactic used 9 out of 10 times online yet in 9 out of 10 times in the real nba it's not used? Obviously cuz it's more effective in 2k13 than it is in reality. It's lazy man defense. The problem is the same weaknesses in the real nba from playing zone is not translated to 2k13. I don't see the difference between cheesy offense and cheesy defense (zone).

well... last night i played 4 games

2 dudes (okc & mia) used the heat and would just sit on the weak side of a 2-3 zone

beat both of them.... learn how to take advantage of your opponents weaknesses and be ready to SHOOT & hit open shots

[thetalkofanation]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

Obviously u didnt read any of the post in this thread.

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ive read to many cry baby posts in all the threads.. hahahaha your funny. Im trying to help people win against the zone and you still cry.. it's not overpowered. Just the people who play against it don't know how to play.

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ive read to many cry baby posts in all the threads.. hahahaha your funny. Im trying to help people win against the zone and you still cry.. it's not overpowered. Just the people who play against it don't know how to play.

If I cant run my plays because they keep disappearing or theyre closing out on my wide open shooters because of the court ratio, slow passing, and 2-3 second gathers before you can shoot along with my bigs not posting up because my opponents in a zone then yeah it is overpowered and they need to fix these issues.

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[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

My god this thread is on repeat.

Zone is a tad bit "cheesy" to use since playing zone defense will not allow you to run post play properly as the posting player will never post. Negating post plays, that is an exploit of the game engine/system plain and simple. You can still run plays, but posters will never post, you have to do it manually.

However, zone is not unbeatable, as described many times in this thread it can be beat by freestyling, manual PnRs and driving-kick outs to open shooters.

As for the long gather animations, make a better pass, get someone with Dimer and/or Floor General signature skills.

Court ratio is debatable and honestly there is no point in complaining (well there is a point but no its really just beating the dead horse).

Defense switching from zone to man to zone to man, etc... multiple times during one defensive play is exploiting the offensive players awareness which results in a broken offensive play, again plain and simple, an exploit of the game engine.

Up and unders, Eurosteps, Hopsteps (while I'm at it) are not an exploit, there are contact animations for every move in the game. Problem is that by default the contact sliders are far too low. The problem I see is that the CPU can cause the contact animations to trigger everytime while the USER does not, probably USER error more than likely.

Lastly to paraphrase AllStarDaDon, why is anyone on OS playing online quick ranked matches on Pro/AllStar difficulty w/ default sliders expecting to get a realistic NBA type game, its not gonna happen (well at least 99% of the time).

You are on a SIM Sports website, check out the online section and hit some people up, there are always like minded players looking to run 5 minute quarters, 8's, 10's and 12's.