Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

[tuck243]

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Rebounding in the 1-3-1
I play the 1-3-1 and one of its biggest weaknesses is when the other team shoots, I have no one underneath the basket because my PF and C are outside of the paint in zone. If what you saying is true, that's all on you.

Realism and the Zone
Its very valid for me to bring up other subjects when talking about real life basketball. Do NBA teams run the zone full-time in real life? The answer is No. Does Stephen Curry make 10-15 3s every game? No but I can do it with him. Does Lebron average 50ppg game? No but I can do it with him and any other superstar. Will the Hornets win the championship this season? No, but they will in my association. Do Nba player Average 7 steals a game? No but my created my player does. Just like someone told me early on in this argument and I quote,'It's a video game".

Conclusion, the power of the zone is no different or overpowered than any other aspect of the "video game" 2k13.

Using your logic of "realism" I shouldn't be able to average 30ppg with Austin Rivers. I guess thats cheese.

That's because you don't personally take the Center or the wing player and contest the shot... Look at my post... Once I user controlled the center to stop the corner 3's I was able to lock the other team up... And they rebound in the zone (if not better)... You can say what you want, but the zone defense on this game is ridiculous and it's not because lack of knowledge on our part...

[OTCU]

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Saying the Zone D is overpowered or flawed gives me room to open up a can of worms about all the other aspects of 2k13 basketball and so called realism.
The Austin Rivers example is used to make my point. When it comes to Zone D, isolating superstars, high dunk rated players with a low overalls, the Harrison Barnes and Austin River player types in 2k13; all can be lumped into the so called "exploit category", because the execution of results from the video game could never mimic their real life counter part.


This is why people often times say Barnes plays much better than his rating.The Zone D plays out much better compared to real life. Its all the same man, a video game but it's far from a exploit and if considered flawed then I guess everything about 2k13 is flawed.

Man defense is certainly flawed because it doesn't work against decent players.

You can't be serious dude exploits and cheese are completely different things. Exploits can't be stopped no matter what (spin dunk) cheese is unrealistic things that only work in the game because of flawed mechanics. I swear I want to play you and I'll smack you by 40 without your chump zone

[demfl]

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I totally agree... I played this guy who had the NYK, I had the Lakers... He played 1-3-1 all game and frustrated me... (I also think this game is a cheese for the NYK because they are so dominant defensively, I just don't understand)... Didn't matter what I did... Kick it to the corner for an open 3 and Tyson Chandler got back in time to contest the shot... Everytime I head fake and drive to the hole 3-4 defensive players were in the paint to stop me... If I shook the PG up top and forced someone to pick up so I can dish off, Tyson simply tip the pass or if I did get it off, forced D12 to go into a ridiculous shot motion and blocked my shot... Outside of Tyson rushing to the 3pt line (it was controlled by user), the CPU did that... You know how much I wanted to throw the controller into the tv because it wasn't even a user stopping me???

Only time I found some daylight was when I slowed down and started a play from the top of the 3pt line... The issue there, THAT'S NOT HOW YOU BREAK A ZONE... You break the zone by penetrating and dishing with quick and decisive passing... If I can't do that I can't beat the zone... It's not about making the shot its about having good shots versus a zone... Which you should instantly especially in the NBA, THAT'S WHY TEAMS DON'T USE IT THAT MUCH... Y'all can say what you want... Very next game I ran that same zone on someone and they only shot 28% from the field... This is my first time running a zone on 2k versus ANYONE... They finally started to get open looks in the corner then I switched to the Center to close out now they were officially shut down...

I don't think I'm the greatest in 2K... I'm not saying that, I just know I ain't trash... I understand the game of basketball very well so I do well on the game... Outside of 3 games, the one with the BS zone, the guy who just ran passed my whole team every play with Shumpert (didn't matter if 3 guys were back they didn't help off to stop him), and the lag king (who hit a perfect shot everytime regardless if the game froze or not), I only lost 2 games out of 20 fair and square... I always have the hardest time versus the Knicks because Tyson Chandler is a force more so than D12... I should be 18-2... Now I'm 15-5 all because of BS... Defensively my team doesn't notice players driving, BUT the team I'm playing does?? Is this just me whose team play lazy versus another user like a regular game versus the CPU on fastbreak??

Yeah, in Zone D players actually react to the passing lanes which is what I like. In man D if Lebron gets pass his defender your other teammates will watch him dunk.

[Sasquash]

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That's because you don't personally take the Center or the wing player and contest the shot... Look at my post... Once I user controlled the center to stop the corner 3's I was able to lock the other team up... And they rebound in the zone (if not better)... You can say what you want, but the zone defense on this game is ridiculous and it's not because lack of knowledge on our part...

I disagree there are plays to break zones, and if you know how to take advantage of openings in zone defense it can be broken... Just because it may be effective vs you or the opponents you played i Wouldn't say it's overpowered.

[demfl]

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You can't be serious dude exploits and cheese are completely different things. Exploits can't be stopped no matter what (spin dunk) cheese is unrealistic things that only work in the game because of flawed mechanics. I swear I want to play you and I'll smack you by 40 without your chump zone

I welcome the challenge. I'm very good at the game, you won't beat me by 40. I'm curious, can you promise to run man defense against me the whole game and control the ball handlers man on D? If you say yes, I promise you I won't shoot a 3 at all but will score just from isolation against your D at least 80% minimum.

[cardinalbird5]

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Put it on YT.

On a side note I am going to play the cheesiest 1-3-1 defenses in quick ranked games and see how many games I can win in a row and try the same for a man defense.

If only NBA coaches could "adapt" and run this 1-3-1 IRL they'd win the next NBA title.

[Sasquash]

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Put it on YT.

On a side note I am going to play the cheesiest 1-3-1 defenses in quick ranked games and see how many games I can win in a row and try the same for a man defense.

If only NBA coaches could "adapt" and run this 1-3-1 IRL they'd win the next NBA title.

Zone defense is one of the most effective ways to stop cheesers so idk y people are against it

[demfl]

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Zone defense is one of the most effective ways to stop cheesers so idk y people are against it

Agreed, If I'm using Lebrons and someone is playing Man D, It will be a dunk on every possession. Zone is the only way to slow him down.

[Sundown]

Saying the Zone D is overpowered or flawed gives me room to open up a can of worms about all the other aspects of 2k13 basketball and so called realism.
The Austin Rivers example is used to make my point. When it comes to Zone D, isolating superstars, high dunk rated players with a low overalls, the Harrison Barnes and Austin River player types in 2k13; all can be lumped into the so called "exploit category", because the execution of results from the video game could never mimic their real life counter part.


This is why people often times say Barnes plays much better than his rating.The Zone D plays out much better compared to real life. Its all the same man, a video game but it's far from a exploit and if considered flawed then I guess everything about 2k13 is flawed.

Man defense is certainly flawed because it doesn't work against decent players.

Then that can of worms should be opened. All of those things you list probably should be toned down, including Curry's effectiveness at the three which I used regularly. With good sliders his shot isn't quite so cheesy, and Barnes actually misses regularly. Unfortunately, online plays at Pro Default.

Just because you can name a bunch of other flaws doesn't excuse the overpowered zone D. It's still flawed if we actually care about an accurate NBA simulation.

[secondcity t]

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Surprised no one has mentioned the zone change exploit where anopponent can seamlessly change from man to zone multiple times during a possession while hitting the last man back button so they can avoid playing defense.

You can't adjust to that because the game has a mechanic where ball crowding is an automatic steal.

[cardinalbird5]

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It is also the same people spamming isomotion with Lebron typically play on defense.

It doesn't matter though. 90 pct of people online use it regardless.

[demfl]

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Then that can of worms should be opened. All of those things you list probably should be toned down, including Curry's effectiveness at the three which I used regularly. With good sliders his shot isn't quite so cheesy, and Barnes actually misses regularly. Unfortunately, online plays at Pro Default.

Just because you can name a bunch of other flaws doesn't excuse the overpowered zone D. It's still flawed if we actually care about an accurate NBA simulation.

Fair enough, zone D is flawed, but it can be beat. Man Defense is more flawed because it doesn't work? Man D is alright against 3 point shooting but if someone goes into Iso mode its over.

[NickYoungGoat]

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I learn how to play man and beat these cheesers online, Sadly i have to play with a team I don't like but it gets the job done.

Pick Boston and Bradley have a lock down icon and can guard 1-3 positions and for players like Lebron at the 3 just double team. Now they also have rondo and two bruisers with one being bass who can also score easy online with that 91 mid range.

Best team to stop online cheesers cause all they defensive players can score at will

[djsider2]

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Fair enough, zone D is flawed, but it can be beat. Man Defense is more flawed because it doesn't work? Man D is alright against 3 point shooting but if someone goes into Iso mode its over.

zoneD has always been flawed in it's simulation qualities. Not even sure defensive awareness affects the players that much in the zone. They all seem that much more aware of where they need to be and how to jump passing lanes.

However, that's always been the case. In 2k13, the isomotion has gotten a little too overpowered in online games. I can basically have my defender in intense D mode and the iso guy can still stand in place spin 5 times without contact .

[bls]

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i have, and zone makes them hang with the big boys, especially when drummond is at center, and monroe at pf in a 1-3-1 zone

Post some pics of your box scores