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Pappy Knuckles · 10-01-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sportyguyfl31


	Only people who I hear saying this, are the slavish brand loyalty types.

Pretty much.

lasthour · 10-01-2009, 10:07 AM

I think that EA has gotten their mojo back. I have preferred 2k since 1999, but this Live seems like it has that basketball balance that 2k once dominated in.

IT IS ABOUT GAMEPLAY FIRST. To me the midrange game and how the defense handles the penatration in Live outshines 2k.

I have always look at any sports game from a defensive perspective first. That is just how I think and Live is pretty strong looking from the demo. Actually the best I have every seen, but we do not know how this will play out completely especially online.

jeebs9 · 10-01-2009, 01:12 PM

edit:^^I agree with you^^....If you can't see that they have improved. You need to open your eyes....You been playing 2k9 for too long. Painting pictures in the paint. lol

This year Live has made a lot of improvement gameplay wise. I think Mike Wang is the reason. I mean after watching a tutorial video for the demo. I thought they stole 2k control scheme to do moves. I've only played the Live demo. And I will say the player movement is sort of rocbotic. The only player move I will say they down to a science is the rebounding. I mean it looks so real. I mean little details like tipping the rebound to yourself are amazing. The way a player like Dwight Howard who is a beast on the boards. Moves in to get a rebound looks smooth. I mean Live is almost there. But they just need a little more work.

Pared · 10-01-2009, 01:22 PM

This argument no longer holds water.

You can even see this from the demo.

Not it seems like a matter of better replicating players and teams, either through player specific animations or team play.

But the "arcadish" thing is no longer an argument unless people choose to play that way.

DC · 10-01-2009, 01:52 PM

From what I her 2K9 was more arcade prone that Live

bigsmallwood · 10-01-2009, 02:13 PM

Live 10 is not acradey in any form . If you strip it down with the sliders, put if on Rookie, and record a Youtube video of it and try to say that the game has problems then hey....You CHOOSE to play that way.....Live 10 is definitely sim.

Is it perfect? No sports game is....but it definitely is a GREAT game.

Stumbleweed · 10-01-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DC


	From what I hear 2K9 was more arcade prone that Live

I definitely agree with that, which is why I ended up playing Live 09 more even though it wasn't the better game overall (IMO)... it was just more conducive to a sim style of play from both the user and the CPU. There were lots of issues that made it tough to play cheesers online (alley-oops being the main one, those are DEFINITELY fixed this year), but for the most part, you could defend them pretty well and win by running a real offense, which I couldn't really say about 2K9 online.

That was a big reason that I was considering Live from the jump-off this year, it seemed as if they were pushing it in a more sim (to me, meaning halfcourt-oriented, not allowing tons of PIP, etc.) direction than 2K was, as their focus seemed to be on the halfcourt and team game rather than individuals about each player and the isolation game... I think that carried over to this year even though they did a ton of work on signature stuff for Live 10 to improve that area of the game.

michaeljordanjr · 10-01-2009, 03:09 PM

I'm not defending one over the other in this thread but I'm defending what's real or not.

Cartoony and skinny is not a real argument, it's a go to tactic to try to spread false reputation.

Take a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLk9GFij8F0

As bad quality as the video is you truly cannot say the players are cartoon like(which doesn't make sense, you cant have cartoon graphics with HD rendered poly models) and you can't say theyre skinny. Just because 2K has FATTER and BIGGER models does not mean they have the right way and Live does not. Live skeletons are modeled the same way 2K is.

Every player in Live 10 in motion on a big screen TV in your own home looks like the same size they do in real life and in contrast to other players. It's just a different game and it has a different look to it. It's called STYLE.

So this rhetoric about cartoons and anorexia has got to go. Talk about real problems the game has graphically, which I would say is their nets and crowds.

10-01-2009, 10:07 AM	#42
lasthour Pro OVR: 9 Join Date: Sep 2002	Re: Why do people say that Live is unrealistic or arcade-ish? I think that EA has gotten their mojo back. I have preferred 2k since 1999, but this Live seems like it has that basketball balance that 2k once dominated in. IT IS ABOUT GAMEPLAY FIRST. To me the midrange game and how the defense handles the penatration in Live outshines 2k. I have always look at any sports game from a defensive perspective first. That is just how I think and Live is pretty strong looking from the demo. Actually the best I have every seen, but we do not know how this will play out completely especially online. __________________ What world do you live in?

10-01-2009, 01:12 PM	#43
jeebs9 Fear is the Unknown OVR: 34 Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 47,586	Re: Why do people say that Live is unrealistic or arcade-ish? edit:^^I agree with you^^....If you can't see that they have improved. You need to open your eyes....You been playing 2k9 for too long. Painting pictures in the paint. lol This year Live has made a lot of improvement gameplay wise. I think Mike Wang is the reason. I mean after watching a tutorial video for the demo. I thought they stole 2k control scheme to do moves. I've only played the Live demo. And I will say the player movement is sort of rocbotic. The only player move I will say they down to a science is the rebounding. I mean it looks so real. I mean little details like tipping the rebound to yourself are amazing. The way a player like Dwight Howard who is a beast on the boards. Moves in to get a rebound looks smooth. I mean Live is almost there. But they just need a little more work. Last edited by jeebs9; 10-01-2009 at 01:14 PM.

10-01-2009, 01:52 PM	#45
DC Hall Of Fame OVR: 39 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: DC Posts: 17,985	Re: Why do people say that Live is unrealistic or arcade-ish? From what I her 2K9 was more arcade prone that Live __________________ Concrete evidence/videos please

10-01-2009, 02:13 PM	#46
bigsmallwood MVP OVR: 37 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NYC/NJ/L.A. Blog Entries: 33	Re: Why do people say that Live is unrealistic or arcade-ish? Live 10 is not acradey in any form . If you strip it down with the sliders, put if on Rookie, and record a Youtube video of it and try to say that the game has problems then hey....You CHOOSE to play that way.....Live 10 is definitely sim. Is it perfect? No sports game is....but it definitely is a GREAT game. __________________ “What’s better than one billionaire? 2.....”

10-01-2009, 03:09 PM	#48
michaeljordanjr Banned OVR: 16 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chicago	Re: Why do people say that Live is unrealistic or arcade-ish? I'm not defending one over the other in this thread but I'm defending what's real or not. Cartoony and skinny is not a real argument, it's a go to tactic to try to spread false reputation. Take a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLk9GFij8F0 As bad quality as the video is you truly cannot say the players are cartoon like(which doesn't make sense, you cant have cartoon graphics with HD rendered poly models) and you can't say theyre skinny. Just because 2K has FATTER and BIGGER models does not mean they have the right way and Live does not. Live skeletons are modeled the same way 2K is. Every player in Live 10 in motion on a big screen TV in your own home looks like the same size they do in real life and in contrast to other players. It's just a different game and it has a different look to it. It's called STYLE. So this rhetoric about cartoons and anorexia has got to go. Talk about real problems the game has graphically, which I would say is their nets and crowds.

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