Prime example on the need for editing rosters, not just naming them.

[ConVick]

So what exactly is the recommendation when bringing Alabama down to earth? Should I just reduce Awareness?

[Playmakers]

Quote: Originally Posted by ConVick

So what exactly is the recommendation when bringing Alabama down to earth? Should I just reduce Awareness?

NO!

That is the single most important rating in the game on the field when your playing the CPU.

There are several ratings you can lower based on position and player tendencies that will reduce the overall's down without completely changing the base ratings EA assigned.

For example if you see a WR at 5'11 and weighs only 180 lb's and EA assigned that little guy a break Tackle tackle rating of 80 all you have to do is lower that rating down into the 40-50 range and his overall will drop substantially without even touching a single other rating if you choose not to.

Anyone who screws with awareness and lowers it is only going to hinder the gameplay on the field because the awareness ratings are kinda like your engine behind the car.

There's quite a few other little ratings that you can reduce without really effecting the IMPACT of that player on the field other than reducing his overall rating.....but that requires patience and time because it's more of individual player by player tweak.

[Playmakers]

Quote: Originally Posted by VolPett

For arguments sake lets say Ndamukong Suh had one year of eligibility left. What would his rating be 115? You have to have room at the top of the scale for the elite of the elite. IMO a high 90 should be for a once in a lifetime player, your eric Berry's and Tim Tebow's. IMO there shouldn't be a 95+ player in this years game.

I'll add to that.....those 95+ rated players should only exist if your talking about creating true Legends of College Football or HOF's like Archie Griffin, Tommy Nobis or Jack Tatum

Most of these guys on the default rosters haven't accomplished JACK to deserve that type of rating or be at the same level of those type of ex-players

[ActLikeYouCrow]

someone will answer that just because player A is rated like Barry Sanders its okay because college is a year to year thing and youre only competing with the players from that year's game. the best player at every position doesnt need to be rated like an all time great would be to be the best at his position every year. its cheapening the game having guys make plays that they shouldnt be capable of making or performing at a level only an all time great performs at.

[StayPlation82]

Quote: Originally Posted by papa_perry

***CAUTION: Bama Fan Speaks*** First off I'm agreeing like everyone else that EA favors the defending champs or the unanimous preseason #1s. Secondly, I'm saying that most of the Bama defense is overrated. And now for my speech: The "replacing 8 starters" comment is being overplayed waaaay too much. LE #96-94 overall - Luther Davis (Played DT some in Bama's 3rd down package. I agree he is overrated probably should be around 88 OVR) RE #57-95 overall (Marcel Dareus..the only guy so far that actually deserves a 90+ rating) No argument DT #99-95 overall Josh Chapman (Spelled Cody on obvious pass situations and rotated in more regularly than noticed. Also played when Cody was out for a couple of weeks in Cody's junior year. The defense never missed a beat. I think he deserves the 95 OVR LOLB #5-95 overall Jerrell Harris (Ah this guy would have started day one had he not been suspended half the season. When he came back he was thrown right into the LB rotation. Probably needs to be lowered but honestly not that much) MLB #35-95 overall (Sophomore) Nico Johnson (Started the rest of the season when Hightower went down. Did very well but i think he should be Hightower's 92 OVR) MLB #30-92 overall (Dontae Hightower, only second guy who actually deserves a 90+) Deserves Johnson's 95 OVR. Would have been possibly been All-American if he wasn't injured. ROLB #41-93 overall Courtney Upshaw (Saw the field a lot in the LB rotation. Even more than Harris, I think him and Harris should be about equal overall with Harris having the better ability but Upshaw has more experience CB #21-95 overall Dre Kirkpatrick (Sophomore, never started a game before) Is the best CB Bama has. I think maybe a 90 OVR. He physically shut down Julio in the A-Day game so he does have the ability. Say what you want about Julio's dropped passes and inconsistency but NO ONE shut him down at the line like Dre did CB #1-91 overall BJ Scott (This guy is somewhat a mystery. Word is he can't stay out of Saban's doghouse. maybe should be 88 OVR) FS #23-94 overall Robby Green (Rotated a lot with Justin Woodall last season) SS #4-94 overall Mark Barron (Best safety currently in the SEC. Possibility of being best safety in the nation) Basically my only argument is that Davis, Scott, and Kirkpatrick are the only ones without significant playing time. Saban uses that talent he's brought in consistant rotations to 1) Let the young guys gain experience and 2) Keep players from transferring. Not a starter but I thought I'd mention: CB #9-86 overall (Sophomore) Phelon Jones - He's actually a junior and was very good at LSU when he played but wanted out when he somehow got shuffled down the depth chart in the offseason after his first year.

I was about to ask Alabama fans to give me a "more real" rating for the players over-rated on the game so I just change them without bias but after reading this post, I’m little shocked! Like I know Bama fans are a hoot but I haven't met a sane one yet and I’m from Alabama. I was thinking someone would realistically put Kirkpatrick at an 85. I don't really care whether EA inflates because I can change them but it's like now I know they've been talking to the fans of the school for ratings! You honestly rated rotation guys in the 90s! 90s don't leave the field!

So yeah, if someone with a rational mind would help me rate these guys, I’d appreciate it.

[boredhusband]

Ohio state is pretty overrated too, a lot of there freshman have higher overall's than other team's freshman. Four of there freshman have overall's 85 or higher (one of them with an 89 rating! wtf!). Ronald Powell(82 overall rating), the number #1 overall recruit and #1 defensive end in the country doesn't even have that high of a rating.

[AuburnAlumni]

Quote: Originally Posted by boredhusband

Ohio state is pretty overrated too, a lot of there freshman have higher overall's than other team's freshman. Four of there freshman have overall's 85 or higher (one of them with an 89 rating! wtf!). Ronald Powell(82 overall rating), the number #1 overall recruit and #1 defensive end in the country doesn't even have that high of a rating.

This is one of my biggest issues with the initial roster.

Their entire ratings system that they establish in dynasty seems to be thrown out the windown on the "opening day" set.

For example...everyone who has played dynasty for awhile knows that usually your "best of the best" 5 star, can't miss prospects in dynasty come into your program between a 77-84 ish max.

Yet many many MANY true freshman and redshirt freshman on the opening rosters are in the 85-89 range. And, as you say, they seem to be more jacked on the top 4-5 teams on the game.

Example...Michael Dyer, AU Freshman RB #5 is an 80 overall. Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina Freshman RB #21, is an 81 overall. These guys were both considered the top High School Running Backs in America by just about every recruiting expert out there.

Well...Ohio State has a freshman RB who is an 86 overall. That's a rather substantial difference in rating....compared to two different guys both considered #1 at their position depending on which recruiting service you use.

That's just one example but there are a ton of sophomores and freshman, many of whom haven't proven anything, that are given anywhere from an 86 to a low 90 rating right out of the gates.

This is a major reason for why by Year 2 or Year 3 you have 20 guys who are a 97, 20 guys who are a 98, etc.

[GradySizemoreISaSTUD]

I think I have an interesting perspective on this topic. I was ranked #1 online on NCAA Football 08 for the 360, and #12 on NCAA Football 09 the following year. Rio Ferdinand 5 was my name in 08, and I then paid $12 to become I LoveJohnMayer (still embarrassed by that) the next year. Unfortunately I have no way of proving that as I'm now on the Ps3, but if you remember ever playing an **** game with me or having some conversations maybe I could use that to prove it to you. Anyways, my whole point is that just a few years ago I was an elite online player on this game, and now two years later the game comes out in 7 days and as of now I have NO INTENTION what-so-ever to buy it. And it's 100% because of the stock rosters.

I think the community here is great, but the "Don't cry about rosters, we'll fix them" argument is just flat out wrong. There is NO fix at all for the players, like me, who still enjoy just good ole' fashioned Online Ranked Games when the stock rosters are this bad. I haven't touched offline dynasty in 6 or 7 years, and I just don't have the right group of people to do an online dynasty (personality + skill levels all matching up pretty closely). That leaves with me just wanting to play 500+ online games per year with about 70-80 different teams, but it's just not possible with these rosters. The top teams are absurdly overrated, the smaller schools get shafted EVERY year, and there's never any midseason updates to do anything about it.

Now not all of these mistakes are EA's fault, but A LOT of them are. Did I know who Dion Lewis or Bernard Pierce were at this time last year? Of course not. So I can't blame EA for not having them on the game when it shipped last year. But I can blame them for not putting out an online roster update a few times per year. Not asking for weekly updates like Madden does, but just a couple over the course of the season, every few months or so. If you can put QB #2 6'6 235 in there and still say "that's not Pryor, it's just coincidental that it matches up so perfectly".. then why can't you update Pitt with HB #28 5'8 195 lbs 90 overall in the middle of the season and say the same thing?

Mistakes happen. Even absurd ones like leaving Robert Marve off of Purdue's roster after fans like myself waited all year to be able to use him in NCAA 11. Not to mention the 20-30 mistakes PER team when you consider Skin Color, Handedness, Wrong position, being left off entirely, CLEARLY awful ratings (whether it's overrated or underrated).. even if you chalk all that up to human error and cut them some slack (which it would take a very forgiving man to do).. I just can't give them a free pass for not correcting their mistakes with online roster updates through out the season. That's just lazyness to make the same mistakes year after year. There are way too many resources out there to mess these rosters up so badly and not do ANYTHING to fix it.

I love college football more than anything and am just a few years removed from being the #1 online player on one of the two next gen platforms. But for the first time in about 10 years I will be skipping NCAA alltogether and will wait for Madden.. to me that says NCAA has something to worry about. Maybe I'm just outdated in this era of online dynasty, but Madden still seems to look out for the hardcore competitive online player who wants to play 500 ranked games a year with rosters that stay current and realistic throughout the entire season, no matter what suprises happen.