Posts I'll Never Understand

[mgoblue]

Quote: Originally Posted by Medway

As far as the comment on WE8, that game doesn't need sliders because they actually got it right, thats why no one complains about the lack of sliders unlike many other games. WE8 is an anomaly in the sports game market it seems, until other developers spend as much time getting their gameplay right then at least we have sliders to make ourselves happy. When you play that game you are free to just worry about actual strategy as the game itself does not bug you with any glaring flaws. In a perfect world all games would be like that but they aren't.

so aren't sliders the easy way out for a game developer? should we let them off the hook from delivering correct gameplay just because they drop some sliders in there?

[Programmed2Kill]

Quote: Originally Posted by mgoblue

so aren't sliders the easy way out for a game developer? should we let them off the hook from delivering correct gameplay just because they drop some sliders in there?

Excellent point.

[Medway]

Quote: Originally Posted by mgoblue

so aren't sliders the easy way out for a game developer? should we let them off the hook from delivering correct gameplay just because they drop some sliders in there?

Yes they are and no we shouldn't. Its a similar situation to PC games now. Companies know they can always add a patch so they don't have to test it as much. Sliders produce the same situation. It would be great if games didn't need the sliders ala WE8 but unless a company knows their gameplay is spot on then I'd rather them give us the option to fix it than none at all. I have a feeling that WE8 will be the exception for a while, hopefully I'm wrong. I'm not sure what the difference is in the way Konami develops their game. Is it just pure love of getting it right or do they think they market demands it? I'd imagine its the former, someone there must have given them the greenlight to get the job done right. EA's offering has always been behind but they can't blame lack of resources for that. Maybe Konami actually "cares" and that's why they produce such an excellent game, who knows, hard to tell with large companies today if its always just about the money or not.

[luv_mist]

So many key thoughts and ideas. I honestly feel small because I'm so late and all the thoughts I had were put down on following pages. Sliders are abused a lot for times, but then they are great additions at other times. One key thing I can really view is the fact that NBA 2K5 was lacking in more aspects than one. Some that can't be fixed while others that shouldn't have slipped through the testing (Timeout bug, awkward subbing, HORRIBLE TRADING FOR THE millionth time). Still, the game does run smoother for me with the sliders. What the heck am I talking about? Honestly, I do like sliders and the ability to adjust the game.

Also, for the guy that explained why he watched games, I can understand. Even though it's not really an option in the basketball games that I play. Don't want to watch my team lose annd all cause that would defeat the purpose. Those who do it just to see how the computer plays are just idiots for the simple fact that a demo can be pre-played stuff by developers or games where the computer does play against itself. I don't know. Just so many different dimensions you can look at on this topic. Great support for every dimension. Still, I think we should start a letter telling these other sports games to increase their default settings following the example of WE8. Haven't played WE8 but I'm just seriously in love with it. That game has to be the greatest game every case I've heard no complaints or bashers against it. That's how all other sports should be. Pure and undivided attention to detail. Ya'll agree

[SportsTop]

Interesting article overall. It just seemed to me that it was written more to take up some bits and bytes on this site to provoke comment.

I, myself, don't really agree with "watching" the CPU play games against itself, but there are people out there that question our desire to play video games based on real life and complain about them when they aren't real enough. Kind of bundles us in the same group as the CPU watchers as it would seem.

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That's nuts. There's a plenty good slider set inside that plastic - it's called "default".

Here's where I get a little confused......

Aren't the "default" sliders (as brought up by the author) just like sliders developed by Pared or Jistic except they happen to be developed by people employed by EA? I mean really, what's the difference? I'd rather have my "default" sliders developed by people that I may happen to have some type of quasi-acquaintance with rather than people who get paid $12 an hour to make sure that they aren't getting 23-19 results everytime they play a baseball game.

At least I know that the sliders developers here at OS have the same vested interest in a game that I happen to like (just as they do) rather than the people that are creating the "default" sliders as part of their job, just passing the time, waiting for the clock to strike five.

Hell, for all I know these "default" sliders could be developed by people that barely even know what a baseball is, let alone that baseball is actually a sport.

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by Clay_OS

Actually, Donkey Kong, like a Decathalon, is actually separate sports combined into a single event or tournament. So, while fire avoiding, pit jumping, and yellow peg running over are all individual sports, so in Barrel Jumping. Lob

While they may be considered individual events at one point or another, based upon your initial point, it still would be princess saving considered as the sole purpose of the game. Fire avoiding, pit jumping, and yellow peg running are just the means of the event, and all happen at once. When was the last time an individual competed in the discus throw, pole vault, and Javelin Throw all at once?

Double Fault

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by Squint

Here's where I get a little confused...... Aren't the "default" sliders (as brought up by the author) just like sliders developed by Pared or Jistic except they happen to be developed by people employed by EA? I mean really, what's the difference? I'd rather have my "default" sliders developed by people that I may happen to have some type of quasi-acquaintance with rather than people who get paid $12 an hour to make sure that they aren't getting 23-19 results everytime they play a baseball game. At least I know that the sliders developers here at OS have the same vested interest in a game that I happen to like (just as they do) rather than the people that are creating the "default" sliders as part of their job, just passing the time, waiting for the clock to strike five. Hell, for all I know these "default" sliders could be developed by people that barely even know what a baseball is, let alone that baseball is actually a sport.

Very well said. While some of us may be doing things that should be done already, I'm happy enough that I have the power to do so, instead of having to avoid a game altogether and "waiting 'til next year."

[fossen]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hammerhunker

This is a thread I Don't Understand. Kind of reminds me of high school with the "Understood crowd bashing on the MisUnderstood crowd."

Quote: Originally Posted by Hammerhunker

I probably set myself up here for some ripping, but I don't really care. Though I wasn't offended by the article, I was taken back. The slider, at this juncture of game ownership to me, is the main reason I visit this site. So, I don't understand why a topic like this should be raised. I hate to use this cliche, but oh well: To each their own, Mr. Fossen, to each their own.

Any chance you're taking this too seriously?

Really - if a discussion of the value of sliders hurts your feelings ...

I have opinion. I write it. Everyone is welcome to disagree .... but it's just sliders we're talking about. It's nothing personal either way.

I find it funny that you want to champion "to each his own", when what you mean is that if I disagree with you I shouldn't raise the topic.