2009 MLB Trade Deadline Discussion

[Coug00]

Quote: Originally Posted by rsox

Interesting proposals. Two things that stand out in the what would have been 3 team trade: 1) Seattle trading away more pitching. Offense is so easy to go out and buy on the open market while good pitching is harder to come by, is way more expensive, and is probably easier to develope. And for some reason the Mariners act like they have it growing on trees.

Besides Washburn, I'm not sure who else they've traded away who is worthwhile. Obviously, Felix would have been, but they'd get a ridiculous amount of quality pitching prospects in return from Boston and its Boston who was the aggressor (Epstein has stated if he could build his team around any one player in the league it would be Felix). Even then, it wasn't worth it to them. Plus they just added Ian Snell. Even though the numbers comparison is laughable at the moment, I think the Mariners believe they improved their pitching staff by adding a happy Snell over Washburn. As I noted in my previous post, Washburn's success is a product of his defense...its nothing he's doing better than last year.

Quote: Originally Posted by ryanm1058123

That deal makes zero sense and I doubt it was even true. Mariners having to trade away Felix Hernandez, Aumont, Truf, and Morrow just to get Adrian Gonzalez? Sounds like something out of a Peter Gammons article. Red Sox having to give up very little for one of the best pitchers in baseball.

The M's would have also received Buchholz plus 2 other Boston prospects in return. Its still not a good deal for them and I'm glad Zduriencik turned it down. I'm also glad he's willing to listen to offers on Felix. His value is never going to be higher than this offseason, so at least the M's are willing to listen.

[rsox]

The pitchers in the Adam Jones trade come to mind as well as Putz and Green to the Mets.
I don't doubt that Theo was the aggresser here. I'm sure he would love another flame thrower to bookend between Beckett and Lester. Buut even if the Mariners were getting Buchholz back that is still a lot to give up just to get another 1B/DH (though Gonzalez is far and away better than Branyan/Sweeney/Shelton/Carp and Griffey).

[Coug00]

Quote: Originally Posted by rsox

The pitchers in the Adam Jones trade come to mind as well as Putz and Green to the Mets. I don't doubt that Theo was the aggresser here. I'm sure he would love another flame thrower to bookend between Beckett and Lester. Buut even if the Mariners were getting Buchholz back that is still a lot to give up just to get another 1B/DH (though Gonzalez is far and away better than Branyan/Sweeney/Shelton/Carp and Griffey).

Yeah, Zduriencik admitted things never got serious. Obviously there wasn't a combination that made any sense for Seattle.

Z is extremely economical and all about finding under-appreciated players who can be had for pennies. He's capatilized on bringing in some pitchers who were undervalued and cheap (Snell, Cortes, and Aardsma come to mind). Which is why he got rid of Putz and Washburn, they were too expensive and/or were over-valued. If Batista or Silva had any value at all they'd be gone by now as well.

The current starting rotation only costs about $8 million with at least $20 million available for free agents after player arbitrations for 2010. I think he's setting the M's up nicely for long term success.

[steelcurtain311]

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Buut even if the Mariners were getting Buchholz back that is still a lot to give up just to get another 1B/DH (though Gonzalez is far and away better than Branyan/Sweeney/Shelton/Carp and Griffey).

Adrian is probably the second best player at his position in the game, so it's not like he's "just another 1B/DH", you'd be a moron to use him as a DH to begin with since he's good defensively.

Still though, I agree with the sentiments. The Red Sox would be giving up hardly anything, while netting one of the best pitchers in baseball, with his whole career still in front of him. The big piece that they would give up is Bucholtz, who wasn't even on their MLB club as of two months ago. And they would be receiving a Cy Young quality pitcher who's in his early 20's.

Any way you look at it, giving up Bucholtz and change isn't giving up much for what you're getting in return. Unless you're like REALLY, REALLY, high on Bucholtz. Either way, giving up players who aren't on your roster, plus a young pitcher who is still a work in progress, to land another young pitcher who has arguably the best stuff in baseball, and is already an established top pitcher in the game is quite the steal. The only team that REALLY wins in the trade is Boston, while both of the other franchises will be giving up their best players.

[CMH]

Quote: Originally Posted by YankeePride

If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, but I bet that Washburn puts up similar numbers in Detroit to what French has put up in five outings. Washburn is obviously basing his performance on more outings, but I don't see him putting up these numbers all season long. If he does then great trade by Detroit. My opinion is they didn't gain a victory off this move.

I was right and wrong.

Jarrod Washburn

Year	Age	Tm	Lg	W	L	W-L%	ERA	G	GS	GF	CG	SHO	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	IBB	SO	HBP	BK	WP	BF	ERA+	WHIP	H/9	HR/9	BB/9	SO/9	SO/BB	Awards
2009	34	DET	AL	1	3	.250	7.33	8	8	0	0	0	0	43.0	51	35	35	12	16	0	21	2	0	0	193	62	1.558	10.7	2.5	3.3	4.4	1.31

vs. Lucas French

Year	Age	Tm	Lg	W	L	W-L%	ERA	G	GS	GF	CG	SHO	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	IBB	SO	HBP	BK	WP	BF	ERA+	WHIP	H/9	HR/9	BB/9	SO/9	SO/BB	Awards
2009	23	SEA	AL	3	3	.500	6.38	7	7	0	0	0	0	36.2	50	30	26	8	17	0	22	1	0	2	172	68	1.827	12.3	2.0	4.2	5.4	1.29

I said that Washburn would put up similar numbers to French. He was actually worse. So I was wrong.

But, I was right in predicting that the Tigers made a bad move here. French has been more reliable (though, horrible as well) and now the Tigers are on the verge of possibly losing their lead in the AL Central.

[oakfan162]

Quote: Originally Posted by YankeePride

I was right and wrong. Jarrod Washburn Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB Awards 2009 34 DET AL 1 3 .250 7.33 8 8 0 0 0 0 43.0 51 35 35 12 16 0 21 2 0 0 193 62 1.558 10.7 2.5 3.3 4.4 1.31 vs. Lucas French Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB Awards 2009 23 SEA AL 3 3 .500 6.38 7 7 0 0 0 0 36.2 50 30 26 8 17 0 22 1 0 2 172 68 1.827 12.3 2.0 4.2 5.4 1.29 I said that Washburn would put up similar numbers to French. He was actually worse. So I was wrong. But, I was right in predicting that the Tigers made a bad move here. French has been more reliable (though, horrible as well) and now the Tigers are on the verge of possibly losing their lead in the AL Central.

Haha. Well Done!