QB of the Decade (2000-2009)

[Cebby]

Quote: Originally Posted by goh

If Brady had Marvin Harrison,Reggie Wayne a running back that made 4 Pro Bowls behind him (3 of Dillons being with the Bengals so no that doesn't count and his one good year with the Pats they won the Super Bowl) instead of Deion Branch,David Givens and Kevin Faulk you don't think he'd win just as many,if not more games?

We've gone over this before.

What have all of Manning's "weapons" done before or after him?

Harrison was averaging in the lower 800s of yards and 7 TDs.

Wayne and Clark haven't played without Manning.

Edge dropped 30 yards per game and .8 YPC after Manning and never made another Pro Bowl.

Rhodes ran for 300 yards and came running back to Peyton.

Pollard went from nobody to solid tight end the year Manning arrived, had one decent season in Detroit and was never heard from again.

Stokely got 1,000 yards and 10 TDs with Manning and has yet to break 650 and 5 TDs elsewhere.

If Brady was on the Colts, he wouldn't have had the defense and coaching staff that he has had. Cassel led the Patroits to a very similar offensive output to this year, despite never starting since high school.

I mean, his first playoff Super Bowl was won with offensive outputs of 16 points and winning on an obscure rule, Drew Bledsoe beating the #1 AFC team on the road, and 13 points.

[MARTZball]

Roethlisberger, a proven winner, over Mr Fantasy Football/1 Play-off Win Drew Brees?

Easy decision. Big Ben for the win.

[P2K]

Guy loses one Super Bowl (his defense lost it) after winning three already and people forget your ***. Guy makes scrubinis into playoff and SB heroes, yet that's not good enough.

Meanwhile, the guy that's experiencing the strokefest, making fantasy players moist all decade still has a hard time getting past his first opponent in the playoffs.

P2K says Brady.

[Cebby]

Quote: Originally Posted by P2K

Guy loses one Super Bowl (his defense lost it) after winning three already and people forget your ***. Guy makes scrubinis into playoff and SB heroes, yet that's not good enough. Meanwhile, the guy that's experiencing the strokefest, making fantasy players moist all decade still has a hard time getting past his first opponent in the playoffs. P2K says Brady.

23.7/40 (57.5%) for 219 yards and .67 TDs and .33 INTs is Brady's average statline in the first round for his 3 Super Bowls.

My biggest question with the "championships" argument for Brady>Manning is why this doesn't apply to Willie Parker>Tomlinson.

[P2K]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cebby

23.7/40 (57.5%) for 219 yards and .67 TDs and .33 INTs is Brady's average statline in the first round for his 3 Super Bowls. My biggest question with the "championships" argument for Brady>Manning is why this doesn't apply to Willie Parker>Tomlinson.

Because we're not talking about Willie Parker and LaDainian Tomlinson

[SportsTop]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cebby

23.7/40 (57.5%) for 219 yards and .67 TDs and .33 INTs is Brady's average statline in the first round for his 3 Super Bowls. My biggest question with the "championships" argument for Brady>Manning is why this doesn't apply to Willie Parker>Tomlinson.

People do tend to forget how marginal Brady played in some of those played in some of those playoff games.

[Cebby]

Quote: Originally Posted by SportsTop

People do tend to forget how marginal Brady played in some of those played in some of those playoff games.

I think it comes down to:

Best quarterback: Peyton Manning
Best Playoff/Super Bowl quarterback: Kurt Warner
Best Fourth Quarter Quarterback from 2001-2004: Tom Brady

[SportsTop]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cebby

I think it comes down to: Best quarterback: Peyton Manning Best Playoff/Super Bowl quarterback: Kurt Warner Best Fourth Quarter Quarterback from 2001-2004: Tom Brady

If you actually step back and look at the numbers it's really hard to argue with you on any of those.