Top 100 Player - Favre Higher Than Brady, Elway, and Marino

[Senator Palmer]

I saw the Deion thread a while back seemed pretty lively and I was curious as to everyone's take on this one. I loved the way the series was unfolding early on, but it's been getting a little flaky the past few episodes. No Warren Sapp anywhere on the list and no Walter Jones? Come on!

Farve - 20
Brady - 21
Elway - 23
Marino - 25

Obviously we all bring our own biases to a list like this, depending on age among other things, but I have seen Brett Farve's whole career, the MVP highs, to late-game turnover lows and there is no way I would put him ahead of any of the other three by any measure beyond statistics. No doubt he is an all time great and first ballot HOF, but he was not a better football player than Elway, didn't throw a better ball than Marino, and didn't possess Brady's intangibles... in my opinion

How would you tweak this list? My personal favorite is Marino; just a beautiful passer of the football, but I think Elway had the most complete package and I'd put him at the top of any list of quarterbacks behind Montana and maybe Unitas.

Thoughts?

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by Senator Palmer

I saw the Deion thread a while back seemed pretty lively and I was curious as to everyone's take on this one. I loved the way the series was unfolding early on, but it's been getting a little flaky the past few episodes. No Warren Sapp anywhere on the list and no Walter Jones? Come on! Farve - 20 Brady - 21 Elway - 23 Marino - 25 Obviously we all bring our own biases to a list like this, depending on age among other things, but I have seen Brett Farve's whole career, the MVP highs, to late-game turnover lows and there is no way I would put him ahead of any of the other three by any measure beyond statistics. No doubt he is an all time great and first ballot HOF, but he was not a better football player than Elway, didn't throw a better ball than Marino, and didn't possess Brady's intangibles... in my opinion How would you tweak this list? My personal favorite is Marino; just a beautiful passer of the football, but I think Elway had the most complete package and I'd put him at the top of any list of quarterbacks behind Montana and maybe Unitas. Thoughts?

From a pure ability standpoint, Elway was the best I have ever seen. He's been #1 on my QB list for a while. Which is tough to say since he ripped the heart from my team year after year.

Walter Jones should be on the list, not sure Warren Sapp is a Top 100 of all time player.

[TheMatrix31]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

From a pure ability standpoint, Elway was the best I have ever seen. He's been #1 on my QB list for a while. Which is tough to say since he ripped the heart from my team year after year. Walter Jones should be on the list, not sure Warren Sapp is a Top 100 of all time player.

Hit the nail on the head. Elway is the best I've ever seen.

Hate to do the whole QB battle again, but for me, it's Elway/Montana/Marino/Manning/Brady (for who I've seen)

[Senator Palmer]

My bad if this subject has been rehashed. I was thinking of a thread on the 100 period, but how about the top 25?

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bkrich83 Walter Jones should be on the list, not sure Warren Sapp is a Top 100 of all time player.

As far as Sapp, I'm just comparing him against his contemporaries who are on the list. Strahan comes in at 99, Tony Gonzalez at 45, Jonathan Ogden at 72, and Derrick Brooks at 97.

Now with Walter, maybe he is in the top 10. Holmgren did say that he was the best offensive player he ever coached, but that may be wishful thinking. Odgen is on the list, Anthony Munoz is #11 (which I don't have a problem with) and Larry Allen is there... Walter Jones has got to be there somewhere.

[Senator Palmer]

Here is #11-#25 and a link to the full list: http://top100.nfl.com/

Just a few of the things that stick out. I like 11-19, but I think Barry Sanders is a bit low. Also, looking at the list in its entirety, Troy Aikman #80 and Michael Irvin #92 are too low.

Any guesses as to what number Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor will show up at?

11 17 Lott, Ronnie DB 49ers 1981 14 seasons Draft vote Ronnie Lott Ronnie Lott DB Drafted: 1981, Round 1, Pick 8 Career: 14 seasons, 192 games Notes: A ferocious tackler, Lott anchored the 49ers' first four Super Bowl teams and he finished his career with 63 INTs, adding an NFL-record nine more in the playoffs. Lott made 10 Pro Bowls at three positions (CB FS, SS). Hall of Famer

NFL Rank Rank Name Position Team First Year Status Career Watch 12 80 Munoz, Anthony T Bengals 1980 12 seasons Draft vote Anthony Munoz Anthony Munoz T Drafted: 1980, Round 1, Pick 3 Career: 13 seasons, 185 games Notes: Munoz was a fixture at left tackle for the Bengals for 13 seasons, beginning with his rookie campaign. His 11 Pro Bowls (all consecutive) were the most by an NFL player at the time of Munoz's retirement (1992). Hall of Famer

NFL Rank Rank Name Position Team First Year Status Career Watch 13 29 Greene, Joe DT Steelers 1969 12 seasons Draft vote Joe Greene Joe Greene DT Drafted: 1969, Round 1, Pick 4 Career: 13 seasons, 181 games Notes: The leader of the “Steel Curtain” defense of the 1970s, Greene was a disruptive force who dominated foes. He had strength and determination, and twice he was named the NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1972, 1974). Hall of Famer

NFL Rank Rank Name Position Team First Year Status Career Watch 14 74 Baugh, Sammy QB Redskins 1937 22 seasons Draft vote Sammy Baugh Sammy Baugh QB Drafted: 1937, Round 1, Pick 6 Career: 16 seasons, 165 games Notes: An accurate thrower, Baugh's passing ability helped change the game. He won a record six NFL passing titles, while also setting marks as a punter and defensive back. He led the NFL in passing, punting and INTs in 1943. Hall of Famer

NFL Rank Rank Name Position Team First Year Status Career Watch 15 43 Jones, Deacon DE Rams 1961 13 seasons Draft vote Deacon Jones Deacon Jones DE Drafted: 1961, Round 14, Pick 186 Career: 14 seasons, 191 games Notes: Jones came out of almost nowhere and blossomed into a dominating pass rusher at defensive end. Jones missed just five games in 14 NFL campaigns and was selected to play in eight Pro Bowls, including seven in a row. Hall of Famer

NFL Rank Rank Name Position Team First Year Status Career Watch 16 75 Graham, Otto QB Browns 1944 12 seasons Draft vote Otto Graham Otto Graham QB Drafted: 1944, Round 1, Pick 4 Career: 12 seasons, 126 games Notes: The consummate leader, Graham played four years in the AAFC and six in the NFL, and he guided the Browns to the league title game in each of them. He passed for 174 touchdowns and ran for 44. Hall of Famer

NFL Rank Rank Name Position Team First Year Status Career Watch 17 4 Sanders, Barry RB Lions 1989 10 seasons Draft vote Barry Sanders Barry Sanders RB Drafted: 1989, Round 1, Pick 3 Career: 10 seasons, 153 games Notes: One of the most electrifying runners until his surprise retirement after 10 seasons, Sanders smashed the record books despite being the Lions' only real weapon. He was the first player to have five 1,500-yard seasons. Hall of Famer

NFL Rank Rank Name Position Team First Year Status Career Watch 18 16 Lewis, Ray LB Ravens 1996 Active 11 seasons Draft vote Ray Lewis Ray Lewis LB Drafted: 1996, Round 1, Pick 26 Career: 14 seasons, 194 games Notes: Lewis is an intimidating linebacker with the ability to change a game with his aggressive play. Twice he was named NFL Defensive Player of the Year (2000, 2003) and he also took home MVP honors for Super Bowl XXXV. Active

NFL Rank Rank Name Position Team First Year Status Career Watch 19 - Nagurski, Bronko FB Bears 1930 14 seasons Draft vote Bronko Nagurski Bronko Nagurski FB Undrafted Career: 14 seasons, 97 games Notes: The legendary Nagurski's reputation as a bulldozing runner, fierce blocker, and rugged linebacker survives 80 years after he made his NFL debut. A charter member of the Hall of Fame, he helped the Bears win three titles. Hall of Famer

NFL Rank Rank Name Position Team First Year Status Career Watch 20 6 Favre, Brett QB Packers 1991 Active 17 seasons Draft vote Brett Favre Brett Favre QB Drafted: 1991, Round 2, Pick 33 Career: 19 seasons, 289 games Notes: The first player to be named MVP three straight years, Favre is the all-time leader in almost every passing category, including yards (69,329) and TDs (497). He broke Jim Marshall's mark for consecutive starts at any position. Active

NFL Rank Rank Name Position Team First Year Status Career Watch 21 20 Brady, Tom QB Patriots 2000 Active 10 seasons Draft vote Tom Brady Tom Brady QB Drafted: 2000, Round 6, Pick 199 Career: 10 seasons, 129 games Notes: Brady ranks among the best in the NFL ever, having assaulted the record books in his 10 years in the league en route to leading the Pats to three Super Bowl wins in four years and a perfect 2007 regular season. Active

NFL Rank Rank Name Position Team First Year Status Career Watch 22 26 Sayers, Gale RB Bears 1965 5 seasons Draft vote Gale Sayers Gale Sayers RB Drafted: 1965, Round 1, Pick 4 Career: 7 seasons, 68 games Notes: The Hall's youngest inductee (34), the "Kansas Comet" burned out far too early due to injury. A dynamic runner and kick returner, Sayers danced through defenders for 9,435 combined net yards in just 68 games. Hall of Famer

NFL Rank Rank Name Position Team First Year Status Career Watch 23 8 Elway, John QB Broncos 1983 16 seasons Draft vote John Elway John Elway QB Drafted: 1983, Round 1, Pick 1 Career: 16 seasons, 234 games Notes: Elway's cannon arm and football savvy produced 51,475 passing yards and a remarkable 47 fourth-quarter comebacks. He capped his 16-year career by leading the Broncos to back-to-back Super Bowl victories. Hall of Famer

NFL Rank Rank Name Position Team First Year Status Career Watch 24 - Hannah, John G Patriots 1973 13 seasons Draft vote John Hannah John Hannah G Drafted: 1973, Round 1, Pick 4 Career: 13 seasons, 183 games Notes: Hannah was a top guard in the NFL, earning Pro Bowl status nine times. A fierce blocker, he was the anchor of a talented front line that paved the way for the Pats to pile up a then-record 3,165 yards rushing in 1978. Hall of Famer

NFL Rank Rank Name Position Team First Year Status Career Watch 25 7 Marino, Dan QB Dolphins 1983 16 seasons

[Chrisksaint]

I'm a little suprised that Brady is that high on the list already, no doubt that'd he finished his career around that tho.

I'm assuming that Montana and Manning are the next 2 QBs on the list.

I guess Rickey Jackson won't end up anywhere on this list oh well

[bkrich83]

Ronnie Lott, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor and Ray Lewis are easily the best defensive players I have ever seen, for my money.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by Senator Palmer

My bad if this subject has been rehashed. I was thinking of a thread on the 100 period, but how about the top 25? As far as Sapp, I'm just comparing him against his contemporaries who are on the list. Strahan comes in at 99, Tony Gonzalez at 45, Jonathan Ogden at 72, and Derrick Brooks at 97. Now with Walter, maybe he is in the top 10. Holmgren did say that he was the best offensive player he ever coached, but that may be wishful thinking. Odgen is on the list, Anthony Munoz is #11 (which I don't have a problem with) and Larry Allen is there... Walter Jones has got to be there somewhere.

Imo, Munoz is bar none the greatest offensive lineman to ever play. That being said, I think Jones is in the conversation with Munoz and Allen.