Werewolf XXVIII: Mad Wizard and the Wolves (Game over Pg45)

[Blade6119]

dola, and ironically, cronin is the last surviving member of that group and i stated he is my vote tomorrow...wow

[Abe Sargent]

Well, i should point out that is highly suspicious...either im a vengeful and master puppet manager wizard, or someone is trying to make me look like one


That's a good point. I think Blade's clear based on what I know right now. That just looks so bad it has to be clean. Sort of like what Frodo said about Aragorn:

Something like:

If he were a servent of the enemy he'd look fair and feel foul.

And I think Aragorn respond with, so I look foul but feel fair, is that it?


Blade is like Aragorn. He looks foul but feels fair.

-Anxiety

[Blade6119]

Hmm. I was hoping that you guys were right about mckerney. Does the fact that there was not a late switch that killed hoopsguy, just thretened him mean he's clear or that he's more likely to be dirty than ever. I;d love to hear the thoughts of those more experienced, because my head sometimes hurts when I think hard about WW.

-Anxiety
Their were two swings against hoops(late late swings), and both times they were repelled...that tells me either hoops is bad, or we just really suck. To me, ardent saving hoops is less threatening becuse they are friends are respect one another, where as i dont believe ardent knows mckerney at all...but it is still quite interesting

[hoopsguy]

My circles of trust are emerging quickly:
Absolute trust: none
Moderate trust: AlanT, Ardent
Little bit of trust: Cronin, Saldana
Middle of the road: Barkeep, Lathum, Anxiety, Dubb (whoever replaces him)
Some Distrust: Tyrith
Distrust: Schmidty, Blade
High Distrust: Path

Cronin, I recognize that publishing this during the night actions provides the wolves with incentive to kill the trusted people. But it also ensures that if/when it is revealed upon my death that I'm a wolf that there is an indisputable information trail to follow in terms of my thought processes. And I hope these types of posts have value for the remaining wolves if they have to close out the game without me at some point.

[st.cronin]

Nobody but the wolves and the seer do, but its still a little staggering how back and forth you have been this game. Actually, so far you have made this game worthwhile for me. Watching your play style change and develop game after game is truly a great enjoyment, your an assest to WW cronin(the fact your play style is somewhat beginning to resemble mine surely has no effect on my feelings :D )

Somehow, I don't get people mad, though. I have been sort of all over the place in this game, and it's a little embarrasing. Both days I've been as close to positive as possible given my role that the guy being lynched was innocent. But I don't have a real+ good read on any wiz/henchmen yet, either.

[Blade6119]

Stunning list...basically mine is the exact flip of yours, with people moving at most one rung down/up

[hoopsguy]

Blade, in regards to "two swings" - I moved my vote for one of them. That is hardly calling in the troops. I think you did the same thing yesterday.

View Ardent in whatever way suits your purposes in terms of the 2nd "swing".


In terms of us "really sucking" - yeah, we are off to a lousy start if you were good. Of course, if you weren't then the bad guys might have committed more than one vote to protecting you yesterday in the 5-4 vote.

[Blade6119]

Somehow, I don't get people mad, though. I have been sort of all over the place in this game, and it's a little embarrasing. Both days I've been as close to positive as possible given my role that the guy being lynched was innocent. But I don't have a real+ good read on any wiz/henchmen yet, either.
Thats because you avoid the smart alike remarks and angry comments. I had to delete a post pre-posting about the results thats was total dick..im working on it, and watching you is helping me learn how to play without gaining enemies

[Blade6119]

In terms of us "really sucking" - yeah, we are off to a lousy start if you were good. Of course, if you weren't then the bad guys might have committed more than one vote to protecting you yesterday in the 5-4 vote.
Same can be said for you, its all heresay

[Alan T]

my trust list is a bit different right now.

Moderate trust: Cronin, Saldana
Little trust: Lathum, Ardent
Neutral: Blade, Dubb, Barkeep, Tyrith, Hoops
Little distrust: Schmidty, Anxiety
Moderate distrust: Path

I'm mostly middle of the road on alot of folks right now. Its a bit tougher for me trying to catch up, but I'm guessing if I live another day or two I will start feeling more comfortable with who I trust.

[st.cronin]

My circles of trust are emerging quickly:
Absolute trust: none
Moderate trust: AlanT, Ardent
Little bit of trust: Cronin, Saldana
Middle of the road: Barkeep, Lathum, Anxiety, Dubb (whoever replaces him)
Some Distrust: Tyrith
Distrust: Schmidty, Blade
High Distrust: Path

Cronin, I recognize that publishing this during the night actions provides the wolves with incentive to kill the trusted people. But it also ensures that if/when it is revealed upon my death that I'm a wolf that there is an indisputable information trail to follow in terms of my thought processes. And I hope these types of posts have value for the remaining wolves if they have to close out the game without me at some point.

You seemed to imply earlier that when you died you would NOT be revealed as a wolf. I think if you live through the night I will be voting for you again tomorrow.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, I know it is asking for a big leap of faith. But that said, just about all of your theories today were based on the assumption that I was on Team Wizard. It is going to be difficult to win the game if you continue down this path.

You expressed suspicion of Path near the voting deadline on Night 1. I would ask you to double-back and see if that idea still resonates for you tonight/tomorrow. Because I think he is the player who seemed to be making an effort to post more on Day 1 than usual. He seemed to have a hard time committing today, until changing his vote to me with 5 minutes left. As a wizard/henchman, he knew that Ardent was going to be forced to make a wrong pick in that situation.

[path12]

Nobody but the wolves and the seer do, but its still a little staggering how back and forth you have been this game. Actually, so far you have made this game worthwhile for me. Watching your play style change and develop game after game is truly a great enjoyment, your an assest to WW cronin(the fact your play style is somewhat beginning to resemble mine surely has no effect on my feelings :D )

I was glad to see that last sentence, because I was about to introduce Mr. Pot to Mr. Kettle.....

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, repost from my Post #466:
I fully expect to show up as a wolf, just not a garden-variety ordinary one. I have a role and if there is any kind of role reveal on death (by lynching) then you should get that information.

Which would mean that Tanglewood was an ordinary wolf.

If there is nothing special about my death scene or any kind of info revealed on my role then you can't make the assumption that Tanglewood was a normal (no role) wolf.

I wouldn't bother responding to your posts directly as often as I am if I didn't think you were on my side.

[Blade6119]

Fozzie, did you recieve my PM? I have recieved no indication in thread or private to assume you did

[path12]

My circles of trust are emerging quickly:
Absolute trust: none
Moderate trust: AlanT, Ardent
Little bit of trust: Cronin, Saldana
Middle of the road: Barkeep, Lathum, Anxiety, Dubb (whoever replaces him)
Some Distrust: Tyrith
Distrust: Schmidty, Blade
High Distrust: Path

Cronin, I recognize that publishing this during the night actions provides the wolves with incentive to kill the trusted people. But it also ensures that if/when it is revealed upon my death that I'm a wolf that there is an indisputable information trail to follow in terms of my thought processes. And I hope these types of posts have value for the remaining wolves if they have to close out the game without me at some point.

Actually, with the heat and suspicion you're under right now, I'm kind of glad to be on the bottom of your list. Hoops, let's face it -- right now you're the big dog around here WW-wise. The longer you live, the more suspicious you become. For this game, anyway.

[Blade6119]

dola, its about Dubbs spot for anyone wondering why im PMing fozzie

[st.cronin]

dola, its about Dubbs spot for anyone wondering why im PMing fozzie

No, you can't have it. You're already in the game.

[Abe Sargent]

heehee

[hoopsguy]

Path, I hope the wizard and his gang take that into account tonight. I can at least face my accusors during the day cycle.

[Blade6119]

No, you can't have it. You're already in the game.
Well, as the best WW player to ever walk the earth, i figure as one players i can only steer the game...as two i could win it alone.

SARCASM^^^^^

[Blade6119]

btw I am sending this link to a funny cartoon which seems exactly like our situation

Yay wolves

http://www.houseofglass.org/site/data/uploads/gallery.thehouseofstick/Werewolf.jpg
Just read this, and its funny

[SirFozzie]

Fozzie, did you recieve my PM? I have recieved no indication in thread or private to assume you did

Regarding the replacement of Dubb? Yes. I have offered the position to someone, if he doesn't take it, then the next fofcer to express interest in it will get it.

[path12]

You expressed suspicion of Path near the voting deadline on Night 1. I would ask you to double-back and see if that idea still resonates for you tonight/tomorrow. Because I think he is the player who seemed to be making an effort to post more on Day 1 than usual. He seemed to have a hard time committing today, until changing his vote to me with 5 minutes left. As a wizard/henchman, he knew that Ardent was going to be forced to make a wrong pick in that situation.

As for posting frequency, it's not just this game if you check back. My last two games here I have started to post and (hopefully) contribute a little more. This is partly due to the fact that I've played somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 WW games in the past three weeks, and am starting to get a feel for tactics and pressing others. That said, I'm never going to be top of the list for posts in a game, but likely I'll be upper middle.

My vote today. I said when I placed my vote on Tyrith that it was a placeholder and would likely change after I had a chance to look today's thread over -- I was pretty slammed at work and didn't have the chance to follow along as closely as usual. When I got home and caught up, I also said that I wasn't thrilled with either of the two candidates. So with 10 minutes left my choices were:

1) Vote mckerney for a two vote swing and learn about mckerney.
2) Vote you to tie it up, and see if there would be any late switches that would tell us more.

I think my choice was a no-brainer, and I'd make it again in a second. That it was you may not sit well from your end, but logically there was no better play for me, especially when I didn't have a preference as to who was lynched.

[Blade6119]

As for posting frequency, it's not just this game if you check back. My last two games here I have started to post and (hopefully) contribute a little more. This is partly due to the fact that I've played somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 WW games in the past three weeks, and am starting to get a feel for tactics and pressing others. That said, I'm never going to be top of the list for posts in a game, but likely I'll be upper middle.

My vote today. I said when I placed my vote on Tyrith that it was a placeholder and would likely change after I had a chance to look today's thread over -- I was pretty slammed at work and didn't have the chance to follow along as closely as usual. When I got home and caught up, I also said that I wasn't thrilled with either of the two candidates. So with 10 minutes left my choices were:

1) Vote mckerney for a two vote swing and learn about mckerney.
2) Vote you to tie it up, and see if there would be any late switches that would tell us more.

I think my choice was a no-brainer, and I'd make it again in a second. That it was you may not sit well from your end, but logically there was no better play for me, especially when I didn't have a preference as to who was lynched.
I for one, have you right near the top of my trust list. I agree you have posted more in recent games, not just this one. I have seen nothing from you to make me suspect you, and the fact hoops and a few others seem bent on attacking all of my most trusted people just further seperates my trusted from my damn them lists

[Blade6119]

So, this thread sure died after anxiety started his...i wonder which side, good or bad, slipped up

[SirFozzie]

Ladies and gentlemen, now playing the role of dubb..

Coffee Warlord! :)

[path12]

Bring on the yaks!

[st.cronin]

woot

[Schmidty]

Just got back, and saw the disappointing results.

I am now more convinced than ever that either hoopsguy or AlanT are one of the wizards. Gut feeling, but also their subtle leadings toward people (such as me) that I have a feeling are good. I know this will draw heat from them, but that's not my problem. This is how I feel.

Usually in situations like this, one wolf votes for the lynched person, just to make sure the numbers are there, and the other wolf will vote for someone who is one of there own (unless there's a clear consensus) to seperate themselves. Obviously, this time the two guys that I feel are top suspects voted for the same guy. So unless they are totally mind-fucking us, one is totally clean and the other is totally a wolf. Like I said this is a gut feeling with a little fact based on if they distrust me.

this is what I'm looking at: If either of them lay off me, then that's a good indicator that they are fishy. Then again, now that I said that, they likely won't. I am thinking in circles. :)

If I die tonight, don't necessarily look at those guys, as it is a traditional bad guy move to kill the guy who is accusing someone the baddies knows is a goody. At the same time, you never know.

This was the stupidest post ever. It accomplished little, but I don't want to waste it.

[SirFozzie]

Bring on the yaks!

Nah, no yaks, but everyone can target him with actions if they want, make him feel right at home *this is a joke, based off the XCOM game* :D

[st.cronin]

Just got back, and saw the disappointing results.

I am now more convinced than ever that either hoopsguy or AlanT are one of the wizards. Gut feeling, but also their subtle leadings toward people (such as me) that I have a feeling are good. I know this will draw heat from them, but that's not my problem. This is how I feel.

Usually in situations like this, one wolf votes for the lynched person, just to make sure the numbers are there, and the other wolf will vote for someone who is one of there own (unless there's a clear consensus) to seperate themselves. Obviously, this time the two guys that I feel are top suspects voted for the same guy. So unless they are totally mind-fucking us, one is totally clean and the other is totally a wolf. Like I said this is a gut feeling with a little fact based on if they distrust me.

this is what I'm looking at: If either of them lay off me, then that's a good indicator that they are fishy. Then again, now that I said that, they likely won't. I am thinking in circles. :)

If I die tonight, don't necessarily look at those guys, as it is a traditional bad guy move to kill the guy who is accusing someone the baddies knows is a goody. At the same time, you never know.

This was the stupidest post ever. It accomplished little, but I don't want to waste it.

This post would be hilarious in the "Ping: drunk guy" thread.

[Coffee Warlord]

Nah, no yaks, but everyone can target him with actions if they want, make him feel right at home *this is a joke, based off the XCOM game* :D

If I wake up tomorrow and have 79 private messages of what happened to me at night, I'm going to hurt you. :)

Hey kids. Already been sorta looking, anyone have a good recap of Events To Date?

[Blade6119]

If I wake up tomorrow and have 79 private messages of what happened to me at night, I'm going to hurt you. :)

Hey kids. Already been sorta looking, anyone have a good recap of Events To Date?
Day one came down to me and tangle, tangle died...night one qwik died...day 2 came down to hoops and mckerney, mckerney died...both votes were close...we now head to night 2(there was a night 0)

[st.cronin]

If I wake up tomorrow and have 79 private messages of what happened to me at night, I'm going to hurt you. :)

Hey kids. Already been sorta looking, anyone have a good recap of Events To Date?

The wolves are getting their fannies kicked, afaict. I think we should sacrifice a Yak. Immediately.

[Abe Sargent]

Just got back, and saw the disappointing results.

I am now more convinced than ever that either hoopsguy or AlanT are one of the wizards. Gut feeling, but also their subtle leadings toward people (such as me) that I have a feeling are good. I know this will draw heat from them, but that's not my problem. This is how I feel.

Usually in situations like this, one wolf votes for the lynched person, just to make sure the numbers are there, and the other wolf will vote for someone who is one of there own (unless there's a clear consensus) to seperate themselves. Obviously, this time the two guys that I feel are top suspects voted for the same guy. So unless they are totally mind-fucking us, one is totally clean and the other is totally a wolf. Like I said this is a gut feeling with a little fact based on if they distrust me.

this is what I'm looking at: If either of them lay off me, then that's a good indicator that they are fishy. Then again, now that I said that, they likely won't. I am thinking in circles. :)

If I die tonight, don't necessarily look at those guys, as it is a traditional bad guy move to kill the guy who is accusing someone the baddies knows is a goody. At the same time, you never know.

This was the stupidest post ever. It accomplished little, but I don't want to waste it.


Sounds like pretty much every WW post to me! ;)


-Anxiety

[SirFozzie]

BTW: I have discussed the OOPS with Anxiety, and deemed it too minor to do any corrective work on it.

[Coffee Warlord]

The wolves are getting their fannies kicked, afaict. I think we should sacrifice a Yak. Immediately.

Very well. A yak shall be sacrificed this night!

Just read the last few pages. Still on Vegas time (which ROCKED, btw), so I'm crashing early. I'll post thoughts tomorrow morning assuming I'm alive.

[Alan T]

Just got back, and saw the disappointing results.

I am now more convinced than ever that either hoopsguy or AlanT are one of the wizards. Gut feeling, but also their subtle leadings toward people (such as me) that I have a feeling are good. I know this will draw heat from them, but that's not my problem. This is how I feel.

Usually in situations like this, one wolf votes for the lynched person, just to make sure the numbers are there, and the other wolf will vote for someone who is one of there own (unless there's a clear consensus) to seperate themselves. Obviously, this time the two guys that I feel are top suspects voted for the same guy. So unless they are totally mind-fucking us, one is totally clean and the other is totally a wolf. Like I said this is a gut feeling with a little fact based on if they distrust me.

this is what I'm looking at: If either of them lay off me, then that's a good indicator that they are fishy. Then again, now that I said that, they likely won't. I am thinking in circles. :)

If I die tonight, don't necessarily look at those guys, as it is a traditional bad guy move to kill the guy who is accusing someone the baddies knows is a goody. At the same time, you never know.

This was the stupidest post ever. It accomplished little, but I don't want to waste it.


Im not sure why my questioning your move is so big a deal. You made a late move off of someone onto someone else that clouded the end picture. My main thought is if its two wolves then its not a huge deal. If hoops is bad then your moving at that point as a safe move to bury a bote is something I look for. You arent at the top of my suspicious list, but I don't think its a stretch to say that move was suspicious.

[Barkeep49]

Here's the thing: I'm not sad to see mckerny go if a wolf had to go. I mean I'd rather have killed a human any day of the week, and twice on Sunday, but the guy was contributing nothing. Not even after being put on the block. Hoops, curse his wicked soul, is not only providing information himself, but has successfully elicited information. That, for days 1 and 2, is a good thing. So let's take a look at who has a perfect voting record:
1.Anxiety
9. path12
15.tanglewood - Torn Apart Day 1

I think it's more likely that in early voting a baddie is going to appear to have a successful voting record then a good guy. Something to think about for everyone, and especially if I get offed tonight.

[Blade6119]

FWIW, I don't have Blade in a "complete trust" mode - just marginally above the average because I think there was a good amount of danger he was in yesterday. Danger that I think could have been avoided, to a large extent, if he was a human and had some votes aligned with him.
My circles of trust are emerging quickly:
Absolute trust: none
Moderate trust: AlanT, Ardent
Little bit of trust: Cronin, Saldana
Middle of the road: Barkeep, Lathum, Anxiety, Dubb (whoever replaces him)
Some Distrust: Tyrith
Distrust: Schmidty, Blade
High Distrust: Path
My vote for you, which i openly admitted wasnt going to lynch you, changed your trust in me that dramatically...odd, no buddy?

[Abe Sargent]

Here's the thing: I'm not sad to see mckerny go if a wolf had to go. I mean I'd rather have killed a human any day of the week, and twice on Sunday, but the guy was contributing nothing. Not even after being put on the block. Hoops, curse his wicked soul, is not only providing information himself, but has successfully elicited information. That, for days 1 and 2, is a good thing. So let's take a look at who has a perfect voting record:
1.Anxiety
9. path12
15.tanglewood - Torn Apart Day 1

I think it's more likely that in early voting a baddie is going to appear to have a successful voting record then a good guy. Something to think about for everyone, and especially if I get offed tonight.


I was the first on hoopsguy, I believe, and he was almost whacked. I think that's hard to account for as a perfect voting record. We don;t know about hoopsguy or Barkeep (you), my two votes thus far, and a lot of people voted with me on hoops. I would have had no way of knowing at the time how many people would vote with hoops or how close it'd get, so I think it'd be hard to pin me on that one.

To be fair, there's not a lot of sample size on Days One and Two either, but there may not be a lot to go on tomorrow. I do suspect that you are right though, after being a lunatic for part of the game last time, I was often trying not to get noticed, so I understand your line of reasoning.

-Anxiety

[Barkeep49]

Tangle shouldn't have been on that list. So it leaves you and path. I offer the list without commentary really, just something I wanted to throw out there in case I got whacked.

[SirFozzie]

*giggles madly as he types up the result for the morning*


Oooh.. the game's gotten interesting :)

[st.cronin]

wow, that was a short night

[Barkeep49]

Damn. I was about to go to bed. But if he's doing results I want to stay up.

[SirFozzie]

Oh go to sleep, I was just cross referencing everything I've received so far.

Plus I couldn't resist giggling. You might think I'm the mad wizard at this point.. But I'm not a wizard. mad? MAAAAAYBE :D

[Abe Sargent]

Tangle shouldn't have been on that list. So it leaves you and path. I offer the list without commentary really, just something I wanted to throw out there in case I got whacked.


I don't mind, i just want my response out there first in case you *do* get whacked as well :)

-Anxiety

[st.cronin]

Oog:

Well, I'm heading home boys. Last night, I almost hit a horse on Rt 22. Wish me luck.

[mckerney]

Not surprised at the result when I wasn't going to be around most the day. Good luck wolves, off to a great start so far...

[Lathum]

Sorry McKerney...

I almost wonder if a tie could be a good thing since it may clear up St Cronin and/or Saldana...

just a thought.

[mckerney]

Sorry McKerney...

I almost wonder if a tie could be a good thing since it may clear up St Cronin and/or Saldana...

just a thought.

Ah, no worries. I wasn't able to do much in the two days so far because my schedule right now sucks for WW. I've been working 6 days a week and usually have to work until 9 CST, so I'm typically at work when most of the discussion is going on and can't usually be around for the voting deadlines. If my work situation stays like it is right now I may have to sit the next few games out.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, Post #541:
My vote for you, which i openly admitted wasnt going to lynch you, changed your trust in me that dramatically...odd, no buddy?

It changed my giving you the benefit of the doubt. You were in the 'middle of the road' before, despite the fact that you were one of the people to vote on Tanglewood.

If I trust Cronin's reveal (and I'm fairly close to doing so) then I find it really, really hard to believe that Team Wizard didn't have a vote on either you or Tanglewood on Day 1. So that leads me back to you, Schmidty, and Tyrith. Two of those three people switched votes from others to me in the last 30 or so minutes of Day 2. I'm not saying that you are both Wizards, but both of you put me in a position to be removed from the game by the Wizards.

Your vote, and Path's vote, were especially disconcerting for me because they seemed frivolous ... "lets see what other people will do, I'm not taking accountability for my vote except to put other people under pressure with their vote". On this point, at least Schmidty indicated that he really doesn't trust me when he changed his vote. I'm not wild about that either, but he didn't try to pass the buck to Ardent, Path, or whoever is the next person to vote.

[saldana]

Sorry McKerney...

I almost wonder if a tie could be a good thing since it may clear up St Cronin and/or Saldana...

just a thought.

it wont do anything for me that i am aware of...like i said before,i dont have any special role, just a bit of knowlegde that coupled with cronin's reveal made a bit more sense. I cannot break a tie.

[saldana]

as far as thoughts go, i think it very unlikely that we were close to getting hoops last night and no one switched, unless he and ardent are both baddies, so that moves hoops up my list a bit. at this point i am inclined to go with hoops shot at path. although i am seriously thinking about voting for schmidty....his posts have been far more frequent and verbose (and sober) than ever before...it may be a situation of hiding in plain sight, since he always takes some pressure for being one of the less frequent posters.

[SirFozzie]

There is a huge flash of light that seems to divide and settle on the ruined village over night. Several of you seek cover.. but just before the light becomes unbearably too bright.. there is a sudden rush of wind, and the light abruptly fades. When you come out the next morning.. all of you are still here! The first bit of hope stirs your heart.

Day 3 has begun

[saldana]

now the questions start...conversion or protection...i'm betting on conversion.

[SirFozzie]

eidited my typo in Post 556, nothing huge, (just explaining why my post has an edit tag)

[Coffee Warlord]

Sounds like a conversion.

Alright, it's early, I've had very little coffee, but my opinion of two folks after reading up on things last night.

Blade - Good guy. I was actually originally suspicious of him at the onset of the game when he stated he wasn't gonna post as much. Sounded like a bit of a ploy to keep the heat off of him. But, I've noticed he's back in his usual habits of heavy, hard hitting posting. He may be wrong in some of his judgements thus far, but he's pretty high on my list of good guys.

Hoops - Ahhh hoops. You always worry me, and that has not changed after what I've been reading. I want to see some other people's opinions of other players (as I freely admit it's hard to get a good feel for things when you hop in mid-game), but thus far, you're a big suspect to me. Something new for you. :)

[Alan T]

I think for now I am siding with Saldana on interpretation of the night events. I am guessing if a bodyguard got lucky last night, there would have been some commotion or noise. My read on the night event was something happened from the gust of wind and such.

Like I said yesterday, my top suspect going into today was path. I went back through both his day 1 and day 2 posts/decisions to try to figure out if I wanted to pursue this more or not..

Day1 - Voted for Tyrith he said mainly due to the past game and wanting to get him to come out and be more vocal/talk more.
- Towards the end of the day, when Tyrith was not really heavily in play (At that point was mainly Blade vs Tangle) Tyrith had shown back up and was participating more in the thread, but Path stuck on tyrith and really did not play any part in the decision of day1.

Day2 - Path mentioned he was going to be pretty swamped so did not post alot during the day
- Earlier on put another placeholder vote on Tyrith saying it was mainly because Tyrith was one of the Tanglewood voters. He said he did have some suspicions of Hoops
-Path later showed back up near the end when the only 3 votes not committed to mckerney or hoops were him, ardent and dubbs. He seemingly waited till ardent showed up and then took the easy way out by voting for hoops which did not swing the vote at all, but instead threw all of the heat on ardent instead.

Now a few possible places he could have been working with someone to shape votes, but right now it feels to me that he is trying a bit too hard to escape having to put his vote on the line. Perhaps if we find out either Tyrith or Hoops are not on our team, then it would change my opinion of him more. Right now though his votes have been too non-commital for my tastes.

VOTE PATH

[saldana]

alan, this what day 3 looks like

i am with you a bit on the path vote, and dont have a problem going to him at days end if needed...but for the time being, i am going to play my hunch and
vote schmidty

with that, i am off to the beer festival, i will try and make it back in time for the deadline.

[hoopsguy]

OK, yesterday I indicated that I had a role but that revealing it up close at the deadline wasn't going to have much value since there wouldn't be time for everyone to check in and have the opportunity to check it against their own.

I'm the bodyguard. I have not been successful on my first two nights of guarding. I would prefer not to say who I guarded last night as it makes them vulnerable for tonight (can't guard same person twice in a row) but I guarded Cronin on Night 1 because I thought his early support of me might be indicative of him as the seer.

Since I have not had any positive results in my two evenings at the post, I can assure you that last nights non-action was not the result of a successful protect.

I'll be stepping into a meeting now, but will be around most of the day to answer any questions people have in regards to my role and play up to this point.

[path12]

Day1 - Voted for Tyrith he said mainly due to the past game and wanting to get him to come out and be more vocal/talk more.
- Towards the end of the day, when Tyrith was not really heavily in play (At that point was mainly Blade vs Tangle) Tyrith had shown back up and was participating more in the thread, but Path stuck on tyrith and really did not play any part in the decision of day1.

I rarely change my day 1 vote, barring a reveal and/or slip up.

Day2 - Path mentioned he was going to be pretty swamped so did not post alot during the day
- Earlier on put another placeholder vote on Tyrith saying it was mainly because Tyrith was one of the Tanglewood voters. He said he did have some suspicions of Hoops
-Path later showed back up near the end when the only 3 votes not committed to mckerney or hoops were him, ardent and dubbs. He seemingly waited till ardent showed up and then took the easy way out by voting for hoops which did not swing the vote at all, but instead threw all of the heat on ardent instead.

I don't agree with your interpretation. Agreed, I did not post much during the day because of work issues, and as you say, I also did state early my suspicion of hoops. I left work at 8 Eastern, and by the time I got home and settled it was 9:30 Eastern.

From my standpoint, and if you go back you'll see that I wasn't thrilled with either choice -- I found the mckerney bandwagon strange and said so, and also said that though I was suspicious of hoops that he was potentially too valuable to off if he was good. But I wasn't going to waste my vote, so I had two choices: provide a margin on mckerney and learn about him only, or tie it up for hoops and see if a) any late switches, b) get a feel on Ardent's thinking and c) if there remains a tie see if any of the two were important enough for either of the bosses to save.

I still think the choice is clear, and I would make the same choice every time. If you feel that's a basis to vote me, I respect that.

So I'll put my vote out early today since I managed to get in the office early but will be somewhat busy today also. I'll be as clear as possible. My suspect list consists of:

Hoops -- he is still alive, and he is acting even more hoops-like than usual (if that makes sense).
Ardent -- he was a hell of a lot more active last time in a game he WASN'T EVEN IN! Saved Hoops.
Alan -- for finding my vote for hoops suspicious.

VOTE HOOPS (but I would easily switch to Ardent if there's a movement).

BTW, I agree that there was likely a conversion last night.

[path12]

Dola, crosspost with Hoops. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt barring a counter.

UNVOTE HOOPS
VOTE ARDENT

[Lathum]

So if we are to believe hoops then it is safe to assume there was a conversion last night?

[Alan T]

So if we are to believe hoops then it is safe to assume there was a conversion last night?

That was my belief based on fozzie's write up. Hoops's post kind of helps me feel stronger about that though. Right now I think hoops put himself out on the limb and unless someone comes forth and challenges him saying they are the bodyguard, I feel pretty comfortable about him being on our team.

[Blade6119]

That was my belief based on fozzie's write up. Hoops's post kind of helps me feel stronger about that though. Right now I think hoops put himself out on the limb and unless someone comes forth and challenges him saying they are the bodyguard, I feel pretty comfortable about him being on our team.
Im not the bodyguard, but i am 100% positive i wish to challenge hoopsguy on what happened last night.

[Lathum]

Im not the bodyguard, but i am 100% positive i wish to challenge hoopsguy on what happened last night.
please explain

[Lathum]

I feel pretty good about schmidty right now, he made a late switch of Mckerney when he could have just left his vote on mckerney and sealed the fate of a wolf. Why would schmidty do that and call all that attention to himself if he was a baddie?

[Blade6119]

please explain
Id prefer not to yet, as their are still pieces that need to be connected for me before i openly challenge hoops here.

During the course of my factoral investigation, i need to know if one of my fellow wolf brothers wants to agree with me or if im alone in my unqiue take on last night.

[Alan T]

I feel pretty good about schmidty right now, he made a late switch of Mckerney when he could have just left his vote on mckerney and sealed the fate of a wolf. Why would schmidty do that and call all that attention to himself if he was a baddie?

I did that one game when I was a baddie with just that thought in mind. I have Schmidty higher up on my distrust list not necessarily just for that action, but on how and why he made that move. He jumped on the mckerney bandwagon without much reason, then in an hour and a half later changed to hoops because of hoops "dominating" the discussion. At that time, hoops was in a run off with mckerney and didn't want to die, so I fully expect him to be giving us every reason why we shouldn't lynch him if he honestly is playing for our side.

I think the thing that didnt sit well with me about schmidty is that he made a move boldly claiming how he fully expects to be on people's suspect lists for it, then afterwards when some of us did find it a little suspicious, he jumped at that. It felt to me that he was pressing to try to start something out of nothing, which is a tactic I see done alot to add confusion.

All that said, I still felt Path was a better candidate today than Schmidty is. I just don't necessarily know how to read Schmidty that well, he's behaving a bit differently than the last games I played with him.

And on a different note, I'm curious about Blade's comment. I'm curious what you are going to contest about Hoops's statement? That there was no protection last night, or that he is the bodyguard?

[st.cronin]

Hoops may be telling the truth. I'd like for him to explain more about his character before I decide.

placeholder vote:

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

[Lathum]

Id prefer not to yet, as their are still pieces that need to be connected for me before i openly challenge hoops here.

During the course of my factoral investigation, i need to know if one of my fellow wolf brothers wants to agree with me or if im alone in my unqiue take on last night.
well I guess that depends on your take. hoops is saying that he didn't protect anyone last night, so what are you challenging him on?

[path12]

During the course of my factoral investigation, i need to know if one of my fellow wolf brothers wants to agree with me or if im alone in my unqiue take on last night.

I'm not sure exactly where you're coming from, but my mind is open to any possibilities that you would want to explore.....

[Blade6119]

That there was no protection last night, or that he is the bodyguard?
Well normally #1 parlays #2, but im still deciding if that holds true in a fozzie game....he revealed his role when he had 0 votes againt, 2 on others...he didnt need to reveal bodyguard if he is in fact that role, so its odd. Im waiting for a few more people to show up and hopefully someone else will back me up in my claims. If not, i shall go the road alone.

[Alan T]

well I guess that depends on your take. hoops is saying that he didn't protect anyone last night, so what are you challenging him on?

Thats not what he said. He said that he did protect someone, but doesnt want to say who so as to not make them vulnerable tonight. He said if I understood him right that his protecting that person didn't stop an attack, and that whatever happened last night, the lack of a kill was not due to his protection.

I could be wrong, but thats what I interpreted his statements as

[Blade6119]

Thats not what he said. He said that he did protect someone, but doesnt want to say who so as to not make them vulnerable tonight. He said if I understood him right that his protecting that person didn't stop an attack, and that whatever happened last night, the lack of a kill was not due to his protection.

I could be wrong, but thats what I interpreted his statements as
This is where i have gigantic problems with last night, but im still deciding if hoops is just oblivious or lying.
Since I have not had any positive results in my two evenings at the post, I can assure you that last nights non-action was not the result of a successful protect.

[Lathum]

that's what I meant, when I say protect I mean sucsessfully protect and stop a kill...

[st.cronin]

Well normally #1 parlays #2, but im still deciding if that holds true in a fozzie game....he revealed his role when he had 0 votes againt, 2 on others...he didnt need to reveal bodyguard if he is in fact that role, so its odd. Im waiting for a few more people to show up and hopefully someone else will back me up in my claims. If not, i shall go the road alone.

I think it's possible hoops is being a little bit tricky, but if he's playing this the way I think he's playing this, he's on our side. That is, the side of the wolves. Do you think it's odd that nobody has yet claimed to be the seer? Or even really hinted at the fact?

[Alan T]

On another random note, Lathum, Blade and I all joined FoFC in the month of december. Just on different years!

[Blade6119]

*giggles madly as he types up the result for the morning*


Oooh.. the game's gotten interesting :)
Wanted to requote this from before night actions...does that sound like the bodyguard missed last night? Fozzie all but tells us people are picking the same people(i didnt know if it was seer or whoever)...now, i think i know, and it contradicts what hoops has said

[Alan T]

I think it's possible hoops is being a little bit tricky, but if he's playing this the way I think he's playing this, he's on our side. That is, the side of the wolves. Do you think it's odd that nobody has yet claimed to be the seer? Or even really hinted at the fact?


No, I dont find it odd at all. I actually prefer the seer not give hints for the badguys to pick up on until they have enough valuable information for us to go on that its worth losing them. Right now I'm assuming we have between 2-4 bad guys depending if last night there was a conversion. If our seer can pick out 2 of them for us it would help alot.

I generally figure if a seer is going to give hints for his own side, the bad guys are smart enough to pick up on them too. Then its a matter of time before you lose them.

[Blade6119]

I think it's possible hoops is being a little bit tricky, but if he's playing this the way I think he's playing this, he's on our side. That is, the side of the wolves. Do you think it's odd that nobody has yet claimed to be the seer? Or even really hinted at the fact?
Not at all, id prefer they not hint in anyway until they have 2 humans/wizards in the bag. And since hoops might be one today, if he knows hoops is bad i hope he stays clear of this debate

[Alan T]

Not at all, id prefer they not hint in anyway until they have 2 humans/wizards in the bag. And since hoops might be one today, if he knows hoops is bad i hope he stays clear of this debate


Heh, crossposting is fun!

[path12]

I think it's possible hoops is being a little bit tricky, but if he's playing this the way I think he's playing this, he's on our side. That is, the side of the wolves. Do you think it's odd that nobody has yet claimed to be the seer? Or even really hinted at the fact?

I don't think it's odd. I don't want the seer to reveal until they get a hit.

[path12]

Heh, crossposting is fun!

Yep! I think it's worth the reveal for just one bad guy though. Any info that can help us eliminate 1/3 of the enemy is worth the result, plus the obligatory one day protection by the bodyguard which could get us one more.

Personal preference, I guess.

[Blade6119]

Yep! I think it's worth the reveal for just one bad guy though. Any info that can help us eliminate 1/3 of the enemy is worth the result, plus the obligatory one day protection by the bodyguard which could get us one more.

Personal preference, I guess.
As of now though, i dont think we need a seer to lock up a bad guy today. Im becoming quite positive either hoops or cronin are bad...last night i would have said cronin 100% after i got my night action back, but now hoops has pushed his way in

[Alan T]

As of now though, i dont think we need a seer to lock up a bad guy today. Im becoming quite positive either hoops or cronin are bad...last night i would have said cronin 100% after i got my night action back, but now hoops has pushed his way in


Why Cronin? Yesterday when I questioned how he was all over the place, you defended him. I don't really see that he has done much else since then to be any more suspicious than he was yesterday. Right now I actually have 3-4 people I would pick before him. I also don't really agree with you on hoops either though. I think I am missing some clue or something that you picked up on. I don't think you and I are on the same page on folks right now.

[Blade6119]

I think I am missing some clue or something that you picked up on
Thats the key, i said in my night action. I was HEAVILY involved in what took place last night...but its a fozzie game, where as normally i would have hung hoops by now, i have to think things through.

[st.cronin]

Saldana has more or less vouched for me, so if you think I'm bad, you have to assume saldana is bad as well. And blade, you're one of the few guys I trust - you're just below Anxiety on my list.

[Blade6119]

Saldana has more or less vouched for me, so if you think I'm bad, you have to assume saldana is bad as well. And blade, you're one of the few guys I trust - you're just below Anxiety on my list.
I understand he has, but i also dont believe(as proven by head wizard and wolf boss) that tie-breaker roles are unique to our side. The fact you have one is why saldana seems to vouch for you, but i dont see that making you a wolf. Again, its a fozzie game, you have to think crazy

[st.cronin]

I understand he has, but i also dont believe(as proven by head wizard and wolf boss) that tie-breaker roles are unique to our side. The fact you have one is why saldana seems to vouch for you, but i dont see that making you a wolf. Again, its a fozzie game, you have to think crazy

That's a good point - I'm not going to spend a lot of energy trying to convince you that I'm a wolf right now. I assume that my role passes to somebody else if I get lynched, anyway, so I'm not a critical role. I'm trying to think up a couple of questions that hoops could answer that would clear him 100% in my mind.

[hoopsguy]

OK, just wanted to clear up what seem like some misconceptions.

1.) I did protect someone last night
2.) I sent Fozzie a follow-up PM to make sure there was not any kind of info that I should have based on that protect - nothing
3.) I did protect Cronin on Night 1

I came out with the role because it helps us interpret what happened last night. I came out with it early because it gives someone time if they want to challenge me on this role (don't think it is +EV for their side, but ...) If there is no confrontation then the lack thereof should solidly establish me as a wolf here. Which, after almost getting voted off the island last night, has some importance to me as well.

[hoopsguy]

In terms of my role, I expect that I can use the title since Cronin has already set that precedent. But just to be safe I'll hold off on it for a little while to give Fozzie a chance to respond.

If I encounter an attacker I will drive them off. I have not encountered an attacker up to this point.

[Blade6119]

If there is no confrontation then the lack thereof should solidly establish me as a wolf here
Hello, my name in confrontation. How are you today?

[st.cronin]

OK, just wanted to clear up what seem like some misconceptions.

1.) I did protect someone last night
2.) I sent Fozzie a follow-up PM to make sure there was not any kind of info that I should have based on that protect - nothing
3.) I did protect Cronin on Night 1

I came out with the role because it helps us interpret what happened last night. I came out with it early because it gives someone time if they want to challenge me on this role (don't think it is +EV for their side, but ...) If there is no confrontation then the lack thereof should solidly establish me as a wolf here. Which, after almost getting voted off the island last night, has some importance to me as well.

hoops - your character's title, can you give me the first letter of it? I suspect I know what it is, but I don't want to give it up to the wizards if possible.

[Alan T]

Thats the key, i said in my night action. I was HEAVILY involved in what took place last night...but its a fozzie game, where as normally i would have hung hoops by now, i have to think things through.


So basically you are saying that its your word versus Hoops's here and you don't feel its worth it to provide any more information to help us decide between the two right now? I don't necessarily like that set of options here since all we have to base our votes on are the perceived facts as best we know them.

I mean its a convienant place for him to throw out the bodyguard role with seemingly no night kill attempt, but I have to believe if he was not the bodyguard, someone would come up and say they are it. From what I understand you aren't saying you are the bodyguard instead of hoops, you just are saying to blindly have faith in your belief?

[Blade6119]

So basically you are saying that its your word versus Hoops's here and you don't feel its worth it to provide any more information to help us decide between the two right now? I don't necessarily like that set of options here since all we have to base our votes on are the perceived facts as best we know them.

I mean its a convienant place for him to throw out the bodyguard role with seemingly no night kill attempt, but I have to believe if he was not the bodyguard, someone would come up and say they are it. From what I understand you aren't saying you are the bodyguard instead of hoops, you just are saying to blindly have faith in your belief?
Not at all, i have my own facts i can use to prove my statements true. The only problem with my facts is they involve names, and is it my right to reveal other players and potentially get them killed? I dont think so, so i wait awhile to see if anyone wants to support me, and if they chose not to then i shall do my thing. But i will not go out and give up my fellow wolves hunting what i believe to be a henchman in hoopsguy.

[Tyrith]

Blade, I really think either hoops or cronin is bad too, but I sure wish you could give us more hard evidence...

[Blade6119]

Blade, I really think either hoops or cronin is bad too, but I sure wish you could give us more hard evidence...
Do none of my fellow wolves have the same info i do?

[path12]

Do none of my fellow wolves have the same info i do?

The only info I have is what is posted here.

[Barkeep49]

I am inclined to believe that hoops is on the side of angels, meaning wolves, here though not necessarily that he is actually the bodyguard. If ardent is a bad guy, as some would suspect early on, then he played it poorly by being the last one to vote, though that seems to have been out of his control. By being in that situation he as possibly in the situation of having to cast the lynching vote on one of two good guys so either way he comes off as bad.

Path made my list of people who have 100% voting correctly. Alan brings up some more good points against him. Therefore I'm quite content to look in his direction now, pending further reveals.

Vote Path

[Barkeep49]

Do none of my fellow wolves have the same info i do?
Patience. Wait until about 4 eastern before you worry that no one else has info. Some people won't have checked in since this all started going down. I find that between 4 and 5 eastern is when things generally start to heat up. I would rather not blow things prematuraley in a late morning/early afternoon panic when we still have so much time before lynch.

Fozzie: Can you update the thread title?

[Barkeep49]

Also, I'm tired and my memory is poor. Exactly how did our "Lawgiver" friend rationalize his tie vote thing when the rules are explicit? I didn't find this that big of a deal yesterday but now that he's setting himself up in a position to vouch for someone else I grow more suspicious.

[Lathum]

blade, are you the witness?

[st.cronin]

Also, I'm tired and my memory is poor. Exactly how did our "Lawgiver" friend rationalize his tie vote thing when the rules are explicit? I didn't find this that big of a deal yesterday but now that he's setting himself up in a position to vouch for someone else I grow more suspicious.

My role actually doesn't say anything about ties - it references the rules for voting, which might mean ties, or might mean something else.

[Blade6119]

Patience. Wait until about 4 eastern before you worry that no one else has info. Some people won't have checked in since this all started going down. I find that between 4 and 5 eastern is when things generally start to heat up. I would rather not blow things prematuraley in a late morning/early afternoon panic when we still have so much time before lynch.

Fozzie: Can you update the thread title?
Then i shall wait. But as of now i expect no one to come to my aid. The only person who can, i rather hope he does not as he seems to be to be the actual bodyguard.

I actually might not wait, as id prefer he not need reveal...give me a minute to ponder this

[SirFozzie]

Fozzie: Can you update the thread title?

Yeah, sorry. Lack of caffeine:)

[Barkeep49]

My role actually doesn't say anything about ties - it references the rules for voting, which might mean ties, or might mean something else.
Do you have a post or two where you've discussed this? I'm going to go mow the lawn and will likely feel lazy when I come back in :D. If you don't I'm sure I can dig up where you've discussed your role.

[st.cronin]

Do you have a post or two where you've discussed this? I'm going to go mow the lawn and will likely feel lazy when I come back in :D. If you don't I'm sure I can dig up where you've discussed your role.

Yes, this has been brought up at least twice.

post 482: My role implies that the voting rules could change during the course of this game, and that I will be the one who "announces" the change. This could be tie-breaking stuff, or it could be other formulas. I'm just guessing what some of those changes could be: Perhaps if the wolf boss is lynched, those people's votes don't count, or count for 1/2? I don't know for sure that it's a change to the tiebreaker.

I will say this: When the rules change, I will let you all know.

[Blade6119]

My role actually doesn't say anything about ties - it references the rules for voting, which might mean ties, or might mean something else.
I am the Lawgiver, which means that I have some insight into how the rules about breaking ties fluctuate - and they DO fluctuate.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[st.cronin]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

As I've said, which you would know if you weren't so busy being a smartass, ORIGINALLY I ASSUMED MY ROLE HAD TO DO WITH TIES - in fact, my inability to read is WHY I WAS AFTER YOU ON DAY 1!!!! I have repeatedly pointed out that I have given up that assumption.

[Lathum]

blade

ARE YOU THE WITNESS!!

[Blade6119]

As I've said, which you would know if you weren't so busy being a smartass, ORIGINALLY I ASSUMED MY ROLE HAD TO DO WITH TIES - in fact, my inability to read is WHY I WAS AFTER YOU ON DAY 1!!!! I have repeatedly pointed out that I have given up that assumption.
Ok, what about ties made you go after me on day one then? You didnt push for a tie, you voted for me and pushed me out of a tie..that does not compute with me(all smart ass aside)

[Lathum]

dola-
I just wanted someone to do that to him for once...

[Blade6119]

blade

ARE YOU THE WITNESS!!
No, i am not the witness. I am the victim, but this victim got lucky

[Blade6119]

dola-
I just wanted someone to do that to him for once...
See, it works..i responded after avoiding it the first time :p

[Coffee Warlord]

You know...poking back to day one, Cronin said out loud he was going along with hoops for that day's vote. Now hoops came out claiming the bodyguard position and that he protected Cronin that same night.

Rewind. Hoops is a VERY good player. If I was a wizard, I'd be quite happy to get him out of the game as soon as humanly possible. If I was hoops, I'd be aware of this. If I was hoops and I was the bodyguard, I'd be protecting my own ass that first night, when I can't trust anyone but myself, ESPECIALLY knowing I'm a great one to get rid of early.

[st.cronin]

Ok, what about ties made you go after me on day one then? You didnt push for a tie, you voted for me and pushed me out of a tie..that does not compute with me(all smart ass aside)

What I initially thought was that all wolves had some knowledge of how ties were resolved, but that wizards didn't. So, when you pointed out the tie, as though it were inherently a bad thing, I used that to try to figure out who the other wolves were. But nobody said anything, and I went back and re-read my pm and the rules, and realized I had completely misunderstood everything. Anyway.

[Blade6119]

What I initially thought was that all wolves had some knowledge of how ties were resolved, but that wizards didn't. So, when you pointed out the tie, as though it were inherently a bad thing, I used that to try to figure out who the other wolves were. But nobody said anything, and I went back and re-read my pm and the rules, and realized I had completely misunderstood everything. Anyway.
You stated exactly the opposite back then. You said i DIDNT say something, and that is why you suspected me. Not becuase i said ties were bad.

[st.cronin]

You stated exactly the opposite back then. You said i DIDNT say something, and that is why you suspected me. Not becuase i said ties were bad.

You said:

As my last post for today i believe, i will merely state that as of now the wolves are making a mistake today.

When pushed on why you said that, you said:

I was tied 2-2 with tyrith, mckerney voted me as well as qwikshot. Think what you will, i dont feel a need to defend myself or my actions(i cant do right no matter how i play it seems)

My initial thought was that only a wizard would think that way. But that was due to a set of assumptions which I have since abandoned.

[Lathum]

blade, I think it is very important to find out why you got lucky and weren't killed.

[Tyrith]

or weren't converted.

[st.cronin]

dola, though I should say that my play on that day was based more on finding other wolves than on really thinking you were a wizard - I assumed that there were others with roles similiar/identical to mine who would speak out. So far, only saldana has.

[Blade6119]

You said:



When pushed on why you said that, you said:



My initial thought was that only a wizard would think that way. But that was due to a set of assumptions which I have since abandoned.
I dont see it the way you do, but that can be handled at a later date. Hoops is my focus right now

[Barkeep49]

There was a line in my PM message that I thought was a throw away line. However, after carefully reading cronin's post I think it might not have been a throwaway line afterall. Still might have been, but I'm willing to at least semi-vouch for cronin. And since cronin asked for hoops to give the letter of the name his bodguard is called, I too would like hoops to give up that info.

[Blade6119]

Im done playing games, lets bring out the whole story from my side of things

[Lathum]

Im done playing games, lets bring out the whole story from my side of things
please do

[Alan T]

There was a line in my PM message that I thought was a throw away line. However, after carefully reading cronin's post I think it might not have been a throwaway line afterall. Still might have been, but I'm willing to at least semi-vouch for cronin. And since cronin asked for hoops to give the letter of the name his bodguard is called, I too would like hoops to give up that info.


I agree, Cronin and Saldana are the only two who I feel comfortable with right now. my hesitancy about hoops isnt as much that I trust hoops as I don't know if I trust blade any more than hoops. I think Hoops has given us more than Blade has, and Blade is asking us to rely alot on his word which is a dangerous thing to do in these games

[hoopsguy]

The first letter on my role is P. I'm not sure why you guys only want me to give that part of the info, but I'll play along for the moment.

[st.cronin]

The first letter on my role is P. I'm not sure why you guys only want me to give that part of the info, but I'll play along for the moment.

I'm a little worried about the wizards knowing roles. P is not what I expected - I was thinking it would be G. Let me think about what P might possibly mean.

[hoopsguy]

Coffee, in terms of protecting myself on Night 1 - I had just been involved on the wrong side of a vote. Historically I don't find myself as the Night 1 kill very often. And I had a strong feeling that Cronin was the seer. I thought it was a pretty easy call to guard him as his support on me (on Day 1, different story on Day 2) could have been read the same way by the wolves as it was by me, even if Cronin was not the seer.

[Lathum]

P=Pack?

[hoopsguy]

Negative - I'm happy to give the name but it seemed like a couple of people had a reason for wanting me to vault it.

[Blade6119]

Let me send my message to fozzie for clearence before i post it, so hold two seconds

[Blade6119]

A huge light engulfed the sky last night. I thought at first that the wizard was trying to destroy the whole village, but the light seems to be focused on me. I, being the honorable wolf i am, accept my fate and resign to dying properly with my honor intact. Suddenly though, i notice the light seeks out another wolf besides myself as well. Just as the lightning is about to destroy me, it strikes the other wolf. When this happens, there is a howling wind in which the other wolf communicates a message to the wizard about saving his pack from the wizard. With this, the lightning and thunder stops. As it all returns to normal, i hear the other wolf cry out (this is all paraphrasing, so i cant say the exact quote and all) how he will find the wizard, and he shall have his heartsblood run the ground. Mentioned in this second calling also was that the wizard was a traitor to the pack.

[Blade6119]

And with that,

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[st.cronin]

I don't understand that at all. Conversion? A traitor in the pack? How are we supposed to interpret that?

[Tyrith]

I'm in the same boat as cronin, that really doesn't tell me anything.

[Blade6119]

I don't understand that at all. Conversion? A traitor in the pack? How are we supposed to interpret that?
I was targeted by the wizard to be killed, another wolf saved me from the wizard..hence why hoopsguy claiming bodyguard throws out a million red flags for me.

[st.cronin]

1.Anxiety
2.Barkeep49
3.Qwikshot - Blasted Night 1
4. AlanT
5. Mckerney - Torn Apart Day 2
6. Saldana
7. Lathum
8. st cronin
9. path12
10. ardent enthusiast
11 Tyrith
12.Schmidty
13. Coffee Warlord
14.Hoopsguy
15.tanglewood - Torn Apart Day 1
16.Blade6119

The boldeds are the ones I have about 90% faith are wolves.

[st.cronin]

I was targeted by the wizard to be killed, another wolf saved me from the wizard..hence why hoopsguy claiming bodyguard throws out a million red flags for me.

The way that was phrased it sounds to me like you witnessed a conversion.

[Alan T]

I don't understand that at all. Conversion? A traitor in the pack? How are we supposed to interpret that?


I have reread it 3 times now I think. Trying to figure out what I can gain from this... So trying to look at this from a different angle.. if we are to believe Blade, then there is a bodyguard out there that saved his life last night. That would be easy enough to validate plus it would condemn hoops. You would end up with 2 good guys and 1 bad guy from that reveal which isn't necessarily a bad set of odds.

Now looking at it from Hoops's point of view, if Blade's story was true, wouldn't there be someone to back it up? Right now its Blade's word vs Hoops's word and thats all it is.

There are a handful of people who haven't checked in yet today, so I guess I won't leap to any conclusions here, but it would be very helpful to have someone at least validate either Hoops or Blade's story at this point. I just need more to go on before I end up in this mess.

[Blade6119]

The way that was phrased it sounds to me like you witnessed a conversion.
They might have tried to convert me, but i am not witness. If i was not the target, i would not have been told. This other wolf took the lighting blast for me, and after being hit stated thusly that he shall find the wizard, and prevent him from killing his pack. Also, that the wizard, a traitor to the pack, shall be killed and his heartsblood shall stain the ground...its clear to me, no conversion..i was targeted, and saved by a wolf that can survive a lightning blast(powerful)

[Tyrith]

I can buy that, the giant ass flash of light is in line with previous executions, and since no one is dead, it had to have been deflected. But...the wolves would have known that was true, and sending out hoops into such an obvious death seems foolish. I'm still extremely conflicted.

[Lathum]

hoops?

[Blade6119]

I have reread it 3 times now I think. Trying to figure out what I can gain from this... So trying to look at this from a different angle.. if we are to believe Blade, then there is a bodyguard out there that saved his life last night. That would be easy enough to validate plus it would condemn hoops. You would end up with 2 good guys and 1 bad guy from that reveal which isn't necessarily a bad set of odds.

Now looking at it from Hoops's point of view, if Blade's story was true, wouldn't there be someone to back it up? Right now its Blade's word vs Hoops's word and thats all it is.

There are a handful of people who haven't checked in yet today, so I guess I won't leap to any conclusions here, but it would be very helpful to have someone at least validate either Hoops or Blade's story at this point. I just need more to go on before I end up in this mess.
I dont know if it was the bodyguard or the wolf boss(protect my pack might imply wolf boss looking over all of us).

I can say this though, i know for a fact one other player besides who protected me last night can comfirm i was clean up until night actions were processed. If they believe me to still be clean, they can come to my aid. I realize in doing so we would prob. both die, so i understand totally if you chose not to. I leave the decision of support up to you my brother, i have done and said that which i can.

[st.cronin]

Well, I don't know what to think. I don't think hoops is the right way to go today, though. I think the wizzes are all utr at this point.

[Lathum]

OK, I am pretty sure both blade and hoops are telling the truth. I would rather not say why right now. I think we will find that no one else will come forward as the bodyguard to challenge hoops' story.

I can't say right now why I am sure about blade but I am 99.999% positive.

I also feel St. Cronin and Saldana are on the level.

I know I am putting myself in harms way with these startments, I just hope the people I am supporting repay me.

[Tyrith]

Why are you so sure about hoops, lathum?

[Coffee Warlord]

That actually sounds to me like Hoops protected Blade last night, and all is well in the world, to be honest.

[Abe Sargent]

No, I dont find it odd at all. I actually prefer the seer not give hints for the badguys to pick up on until they have enough valuable information for us to go on that its worth losing them. Right now I'm assuming we have between 2-4 bad guys depending if last night there was a conversion. If our seer can pick out 2 of them for us it would help alot.

I generally figure if a seer is going to give hints for his own side, the bad guys are smart enough to pick up on them too. Then its a matter of time before you lose them.


I think we have at least three bad guys - the wizard said you might be able to find him and he had henchmen, plural. I remember having a discussion about this earlier. Plus there are 16 people, doesn;t make sense to have just two antagonists.

-Anxiety

[st.cronin]

That actually sounds to me like Hoops protected Blade last night, and all is well in the world, to be honest.

That explanation fits, although why then did Blade jump to the conclusion that hoops wasn't the bodyguard?

[Blade6119]

That actually sounds to me like Hoops protected Blade last night, and all is well in the world, to be honest.
Hoops said he did not have anything to do with what happened last night, and has openly avoided saying who he protected last night...im quite sure, barring hoops doing a total 180, hoops had nothing POSITIVE to do last night for the wolves

[Blade6119]

That explanation fits, although why then did Blade jump to the conclusion that hoops wasn't the bodyguard?
Becuase hoops has repeatedly said he didnt have anything special happen last night, he didnt want to say who he protected as they would attack him tomorrow(if it was me, the wizard knows hoops protected me...which obviously doesnt fit with hoops story). It seems clear to me someone besides hoops protected me last night, and to me clear one of hoops or cronin had a hand in me being the target last night

[st.cronin]

Hoops said he did not have anything to do with what happened last night, and has openly avoided saying who he protected last night...im quite sure, barring hoops doing a total 180, hoops had nothing POSITIVE to do last night for the wolves

It may have been an attempt to draw a wizard out, catch one in a lie. He may have assumed you knew who protected you.

[Blade6119]

It may have been an attempt to draw a wizard out, catch one in a lie. He may have assumed you knew who protected you.
Its possible, and if so then i have messed up his plans royally. But i feel obligated at this point when he still contradicts me to go against him. If i have royally screwed his plans, i apologize..as a bodyguard or wizard

[hoopsguy]

I did not play a role in the events that Blade is relaying. If he is telling the truth then there was another person who had the ability to protect him last night.

I still do not want to say who I protected last night, but it was not Blade.

I made a point of coming out with the bodyguard story to help clear up "protect versus convert" conversations that were already starting and that made perfect sense, given no body after the night action.

[st.cronin]

Its possible, and if so then i have messed up his plans royally. But i feel obligated at this point when he still contradicts me to go against him. If i have royally screwed his plans, i apologize..as a bodyguard or wizard

Don't feel bad, it certainly wouldn't be the first time in this game a wolf has misunderstood a wolf.

[hoopsguy]

No plans screwed up, one way or the other, Blade. But if you are telling the truth about the events of last night then I completely understand why my version of the events weirded you out.

[Lathum]

I would rather not say why I am sure on hoops right now except that I trust him for now, everything he has said adds up unless someone else steps forward there is no reason for debate at this point.

[Blade6119]

Don't feel bad, it certainly wouldn't be the first time in this game a wolf has misunderstood a wolf.
Look one post up...so far, i might not be too far off. Lathum intrigues me, but so far i have seen nothing to validate hoops being clean.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, is there any reason that I need to keep my role name secret at this point? I think you and Barkeep had wanted me to only give the first letter.

[st.cronin]

Well, that clears everything up.

[st.cronin]

Cronin, is there any reason that I need to keep my role name secret at this point? I think you and Barkeep had wanted me to only give the first letter.

Not that I can think of. I was worried that your role name would give away some other roles, but I don't think that's a real possibility anymore.

[Alan T]

Am I the only one that is more confused now than I was earlier this morning? :(

[Lathum]

Hoops and Blade, I think you are focusing to much attention on each other and playing into the baddies hands.

Trust me, you are both telling the truth and need to look elsewhere.

[Blade6119]

Well, that clears everything up.
Welcome to how i feel most every game :p

[hoopsguy]

The role name is "Protector Wolf".

[Barkeep49]

Ok so who isn't in on this love fest?

Anxiety, Ardent, schmidty, Tyrith, and path

Seems like maybe we should look at one of them? The other players are connected through interlocking trusts suggesting that while there is perhaps one baddie in the group we've got a good starting point for wizard hunting.

[st.cronin]

So let's draw some lines - I have hoops, barkeep, blade, anxiety and probably lathum in my circle. Anybody see any problems with that? Other than the blade v. hoops thing, I mean.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I'm willing to try and cooperate today if you are ...

1. Do you think that any of the late vote changes to me last night were by members of Team Wizard (Schmidty or Path)?

[st.cronin]

Ok so who isn't in on this love fest?

Anxiety, Ardent, schmidty, Tyrith, and path

Seems like maybe we should look at one of them? The other players are connected through interlocking trusts suggesting that while there is perhaps one baddie in the group we've got a good starting point for wizard hunting.

I have Anxiety on the inside. I think he suggested his role is similiar to mine and saldana's.

[Tyrith]

Okay, let's buy into lathum's story for now. That clears blade, cronin, and hoops, and theoretically also lathum. Schmidty seems to come up right in my cross-hairs now. Any other thoughts?

[Blade6119]

So let's draw some lines - I have hoops, barkeep, blade, anxiety and probably lathum in my circle. Anybody see any problems with that? Other than the blade v. hoops thing, I mean.
Dont know why anxiety is in there and saldana isnt...my trust list reads nothing like yours, but for you those two should prob. be swapped

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, just woke up a half hour ago, and I'll soon be packing. I'm heading out to a friend's place tonight and playing Magic and I'll be out all night. I might be able to use his computer to check back in, later, but who knows.

Wow! Lots of stuff happening and information being revealed. For the record, here is my own littel circle of trust:

Trust: Blade, Hoops
Distrust: Cronin, Lathum's cryptic statement

Everybody else is in the middle. I have to vote now, because I don't know if I'll be able to log on or not from my friend's place.

Do you ever feel that you know a lot more and yet are still having difficutly who to vote for? That's me right now.

I find myself believing hoops, for now at least.

Does anybody else find Cronin to be playing rather erratically? I'd like to hear more from Lathum, but I understand if he's not willing to give it up. I just don't think Lathum should have said anything at all until there was serious heat on Blade, and there wasn't.

Still, poor strategy does not an antagonist make. Us wolves have to stick together. For now, I'm going to roll my view of cronin.

Vote st.cronin


-Anxiety

[hoopsguy]

By the way, the in-day participation right now is pretty cool after seeing some slow days in past games.

[Blade6119]

Blade, I'm willing to try and cooperate today if you are ...

1. Do you think that any of the late vote changes to me last night were by members of Team Wizard (Schmidty or Path)?
The late vote changes were path and I, as schmidty swapped to you a little earlier.

Its hard for me right now, as my trust list up until right now reads basically everybody you guys say are uncleared, and my distrust list read, to a T, like the list of names people are saying are linked now.

[st.cronin]

Dont know why anxiety is in there and saldana isnt...my trust list reads nothing like yours, but for you those two should prob. be swapped

Saldana should be in there as well. Give me a minute and I'll have my thoughts (if any) on everybody.

[Alan T]

This is probably a good spot for a vote recap up to this point. So far the voting has been all over the place similar to our discussion today. I hate to feel that we aren't really making much ground by being all over the place. I would rather stick with one or two likely targets and try to narrow down lines of trust.

Path - Alan T (560), Barkeep (602)
Schmidty - Saldana (561)
Ardent - Path (564), Cronin (572)
hoops - Blade (637)
Cronin - Anxiety (676)

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I'm counting three people as late-changes towards me (Schmidty was in last hour) and for purposes of "playing nice" with you I'm willing to accept that you are not a wizard.

Why do you trust Path? I was suspicious of him, although I had not posted on it, long before the deadline last night.

[Abe Sargent]

I reread my statement and realized I didn't say everything I wanted to :)

I beleive st.cronin's role reveal, I just think his actions have been a bit off. I just don't know who else to go after? Maybe path, I could be convinced of that.

I'm going to go pack and I'll check back in 30 minutes.

[Alan T]

Here is my current trust list..


Moderate trust: Cronin, Saldana
Little trust: Ardent, Barkeep
Neutral: Blade, Coffee, Hoops, Lathum
Little distrust: Tyrith
Moderate distrust: Path,Schmidty, Anxiety

The main changes i have done is Barkeep through his posts today makes me feel a little more confident in him. Hoops, Blade and Lathum I have to sort out one way or another in my head, but dont feel strong enough to make any kind of move on them. Coffee to me has seemed like he is trying too hard to just fill in the places that makes the most people happy, but I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt that its tough to jump in midway, so will watch him more today and tommorrow before I form an opinion. I also moved Anxiety and Schmidty into a little more distrust over what feels like comments that go directly against my observations so far.

[Blade6119]

Blade, I'm counting three people as late-changes towards me (Schmidty was in last hour) and for purposes of "playing nice" with you I'm willing to accept that you are not a wizard.

Why do you trust Path? I was suspicious of him, although I had not posted on it, long before the deadline last night.
Path has seemed to genuinely help, and he reasons for hightened activity all ring true with me. He has changed the past few games, and i see nothing out of the oridinary for what i have come to expect from him(which is a change for the better to me, i have enjoyed playing with him far more the past few games)

[Lathum]

So let's draw some lines - I have hoops, barkeep, blade, anxiety and probably lathum in my circle. Anybody see any problems with that? Other than the blade v. hoops thing, I mean.
I don't really trust anxiety right now, he ahsn't really said much untill his statements a few minutes ago.

I trust schmidty because I think it would be a really risky move to switch a late vote this early in the game.

Right now I am leaning towards Ardent. He has been really, really quiet to this point and his name hasn't really come up.

[st.cronin]

1.Anxiety Well, he just voted for me. He's said some things that make me think he's a wolf, but he also contributed anything of substance. He's just been going with the flow for the most part. suspicious
2.Barkeep49 Backed up me and saldana on our roles. trusted
3.Qwikshot - Blasted Night 1
4. AlanT No real read either way.
5. Mckerney - Torn Apart Day 2
6. Saldana Was the first one to legitimize my role. trusted
7. Lathum Has backed up Blade and hoops. trusted
9. path12 No real read either way.
10. ardent enthusiast No real read either way.
11 Tyrith Was with me when I was going after hoops. Has played like Anxiety. suspicious
12.Schmidty I could go either way on him.
13. Coffee Warlord His interpretation of Blade's story puts him on the outside, and he's given us no reason to trust him, yet.suspicious
14.Hoopsguy Not sure what to make of him. Mostly I believe him. trusted

My vote is on ardent, right now, but I think Tyrith or Anxiety would be a good way to go.
15.tanglewood - Torn Apart Day 1
16.Blade6119

Alternates: None at this time.

Rules:

Roles will be handed out this weekend. This will begin Night 0 and discussion will be allowed at this point.

Game will start Tuesday, 9 AM with Night 0 Actions due at that point. Game will then run on a Monday-Friday basis, with Night action results being revealed at 9 am, and lynch results being revealed at 10 PM.

Lynches will be based on a strict Most votes basis.

Ties will be handled under the following rule: The two "boss" characters can each break a tie once (the Wolf player will have first choice on whether to break a tie or not, followed by the Wizard player). However, breaking a tie WILL reveal your role. If neither player wishes to break the tie, it will be decided by a coin flip.

The game will go until the Wizard flees, The Wizard and his henchmen outnumber the remaining Wolves (or a 1v1 basis), or the Wizard and his henchmen are all killed.

Victory Conditions:

Wolves:
Complete Victory: Wizard and henchmen killed, Wolf Boss stays alive
Moderate Victory: Wizard Flees, Henchmen killed, Wolf Boss stays alive
Moderate Victory: Wizard and henchmen Killed, Wolf Boss is killed
Light Victory: Wizard Flees, Henchmen Killed, Wolf Boss is Killed

Wizard/Henchmen:
Victory: Eliminate all Wolves[/QUOTE]

[st.cronin]

[QUOTE=st.cronin]1.Anxiety Well, he just voted for me. He's said some things that make me think he's a wolf, but he also contributed anything of substance. He's just been going with the flow for the most part. suspicious
2.Barkeep49 Backed up me and saldana on our roles. trusted
3.Qwikshot - Blasted Night 1
4. AlanT No real read either way.
5. Mckerney - Torn Apart Day 2
6. Saldana Was the first one to legitimize my role. trusted
7. Lathum Has backed up Blade and hoops. trusted
9. path12 No real read either way.
10. ardent enthusiast No real read either way.
11 Tyrith Was with me when I was going after hoops. Has played like Anxiety. suspicious
12.Schmidty I could go either way on him.
13. Coffee Warlord His interpretation of Blade's story puts him on the outside, and he's given us no reason to trust him, yet.suspicious
14.Hoopsguy Not sure what to make of him. Mostly I believe him. trusted
16.Blade6119
trusted



My vote is on ardent, right now, but I think Tyrith or Anxiety would be a good way to go.

darn it
disregard the above post, as it was sent before I was done with it.

Unvote Ardent

Vote Anxiety

[Lathum]

OK, Day one anxiety threw out a safe day one vote on barkeep, day 2 he threw out a vote on hoops that was kind of middle of the pack. He has done a good job of just "blending in" and for that I don't trust him.

I have to leave for work soon and will probably miss the deadline. I think I am onto something here and I hope I live through the night.

[Lathum]

VOTE ANXIETY

btw, is there a lynch vote tomorrow? I am going to PA for the weekend and will be in Amish country so I may not have internet access after noon tomorrow.

[SirFozzie]

There will be a 10 PM Vote Friday, but the night actions will not be due till 9 AM Monday

[hoopsguy]

Updated votes:

Path - AlanT (560), Barkeep (602)
Schmidty - Saldana (561)
Ardent - Path (564)
Hoopsguy - Blade (637)
Cronin - Anxiety (676)
Anxiety - Cronin (687), Lathum (689)

Not voted - Ardent, Tyrith, Schmidty, Coffee, Hoopsguy

[hoopsguy]

I would like to see some communication between Barkeep and Saldana to see if they believe that the other person has an identical role.

[Lathum]

OK, off to work, I am hoping I get done early enough tonight but if I don't good luck.

[Abe Sargent]

I just came back from packing and boy, have things changed.

Look guys, I don't know strategy and what completely yet, but I think it's a bad idea if we reveal all of our roles on the same day, gives the antagonists too many targets. What should I do here?

-Anxiety

[Blade6119]

I just came back from packing and boy, have things changed.

Look guys, I don't know strategy and what completely yet, but I think it's a bad idea if we reveal all of our roles on the same day, gives the antagonists too many targets. What should I do here?

-Anxiety
you just did, as well as hinting earlier...unless you know a bad guy retreat to your corner and be merry

[hoopsguy]

Going back through Blade's PM, he indicates that the wizard is a traitor to the pack? Huh? Is there any reason for the wizard to have ever been a member of the pack - how would the mad wizard have been in position to betray the pack? I don't know how this impacts play, but from a plot development standpoint I find the word "traitor" very interesting in regards to an assumed-to-be-human wizard.

[st.cronin]

Going back through Blade's PM, he indicates that the wizard is a traitor to the pack? Huh? Is there any reason for the wizard to have ever been a member of the pack - how would the mad wizard have been in position to betray the pack? I don't know how this impacts play, but from a plot development standpoint I find the word "traitor" very interesting in regards to an assumed-to-be-human wizard.

I was puzzled by that as well, that's why at first I thought Blade had seen a conversion.

[Abe Sargent]

you just did, as well as hinting earlier...unless you know a bad guy retreat to your corner and be merry


I don't. Retreating begins.

-Anxiety

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm just confused now.

Though I do find it amusing I'm already "suspicious" to some people.

[Blade6119]

I was puzzled by that as well, that's why at first I thought Blade had seen a conversion.
He called the wizard a traitor to my pack, as well as saying his heartsblood(one word) would run...is "heartsblood" a WW term?

[Tyrith]

Okay, I might as well run down my list now.

Anxiety - Is playing like the last game, where he was a bad guy and got caught early. Cronin vote is somewhat random, although he has been stirring up a lot of trouble these last two days. Possible lynch candidate today.

Barkeep, saldana - Don't really know enough to say, but leaning good.

Alan T - Seems to be doing all the right things so far, but that doesn't mean a whole lot in the long term.

Lathum, cronin, hoops - I'm still not convinced that everyone out of this group is safe. There seem to be a lot of "facts" being tossed out, but everyone is afraid to blow up all the cover. I think we're just missing one piece of the puzzle to figure out this entire group. Cronin and hoops would still be my primary two suspects out of this group, but a lot of that is just paranoia. Regardless, until we get more information, this group doesn't make good lynch targets.

Schmidty - The late caution to the wind switch yesterday isn't out of character for schmidty...but it also makes such great cover, because of how rash it is. If he gets through today then a lot of the pressure might come off of him. However, even if that's true, what would he have gained out of yesterday's insane switch if he were a bad guy? Mckerney was both a good guy and way out front at the time. He might be a bad guy, but it just doesn't make sense if he is.

CW, ardent - Wouldn't surprise me if one of these two is bad just because of how many of the other players we've been able to clear.

Path - If ardent is a bad guy, it's possible for path to be a bad guy too, and they were working together to manipulate the vote at the end. Also possible that path is good and was just hoping to extort information out of ardent's decision making process.

Blade - His story really confuses things, because we still don't know who deflected the attack. Unless he's a crazy convert making up crap, there ought to be someone that can tell a story of being electrocuted. I hope this person turns up by the end of the day.

And there is a person out there that can clear me out there, if it comes down to it.

[Coffee Warlord]

And there is a person out there that can clear me out there, if it comes down to it.

Without going back and looking, doesn't it seem like half the damn players have said something along these lines?

Am I apparently the only person who can't clear anyone and/or doesn't know anyone else?

[Blade6119]

Without going back and looking, doesn't it seem like half the damn players have said something along these lines?

Am I apparently the only person who can't clear anyone and/or doesn't know anyone else?
WIZARD!!!!!

[Tyrith]

That's because one of those people is someone I can clear, too.

[Abe Sargent]

Does anyone else have the sinking feeling that, although Blade may have been right to reveal what he knew of last night, he opened the door to a conversation that left us in a very bad place?

-Anxiety

[Coffee Warlord]

WIZARD!!!!!

...the fuck?

[Blade6119]

Does anyone else have the sinking feeling that, although Blade may have been right to reveal what he knew of last night, he opened the door to a conversation that left us in a very bad place?

-Anxiety
Well i certainly didnt expect everybody and their mother to reveal roles...

[hoopsguy]

I'm intrigued that both Blade and Tyrith have mentioned that there is someone who can clear them at this point (Blade in Post #647, Tyrith in #701).

[Blade6119]

...the fuck?
You said your the only person no one can clear...hence wizard...take it as a bad joke and move on

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety - Is playing like the last game, where he was a bad guy and got caught early.


To be fair, I was only a lunatic for part of that game. It was also my first game with a role and this is still only my third overall game. I'm getting better I feel, but there is still a lot I don't know.

-Anxiety

[hoopsguy]

Right now I'm weighing between Schmidty and Path for today's vote. If anyone has strong feelings for why one of them is clearly a wolf I would love to hear them sooner rather than later ...

[Tyrith]

True, the last game was somewhat my fault, wasn't it?

[Tyrith]

Right now I'm weighing between Schmidty and Path for today's vote. If anyone has strong feelings for why one of them is clearly a wolf I would love to hear them sooner rather than later ...

I'd lean towards path because of possible interactions with other wolves towards the end of that vote and Schmidty's vote switch not obviously helpful to the wolves at the time, but it's a pretty weak argument.

[Coffee Warlord]

You said your the only person no one can clear...hence wizard...take it as a bad joke and move on

Serves me right for reading this thread while on the phone with a client. :)

[Abe Sargent]

True, the last game was somewhat my fault, wasn't it?


I don't know if everybody else knows this, but there was a time last game when SnDvls was awol and it was just Tyrith and Me calling the shots for a couple of days. So, you had the new guy and the other new guy running around trying to figure out what to do. It was great!

;)

-Anxiety

[st.cronin]

Right now I'm weighing between Schmidty and Path for today's vote. If anyone has strong feelings for why one of them is clearly a wolf I would love to hear them sooner rather than later ...

Why not Anxiety?

[Blade6119]

FYI to all, i dont think i will be around at all tomorrow...have an all day engagement, and if im back it will be close to the deadline...putting that out there now

[stevew]

Interesting!

[stevew]

Dola, thus far this is the best WW game I've read.

[Tyrith]

Having hoopsguy around along with blade to make massive post count sure does make things more interesting.

[Blade6119]

Having hoopsguy around along with blade to make massive post count sure does make things more interesting.
Ya, hoops and i make quite a fearsome posting duo...this game though cronin has matched up post for post. Its a rather welcome development for me

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, the two candidates that I'm weighing between both had late vote switches on me yesterday (yes, I realize it was between two wolves) which separates them a little bit for me from Anxiety and the others.

There seems to be enough consensus that Blade = good that I'll put him out of the picture at least for today with my vote.

[st.cronin]

Cronin, the two candidates that I'm weighing between both had late vote switches on me yesterday (yes, I realize it was between two wolves) which separates them a little bit for me from Anxiety and the others.

There seems to be enough consensus that Blade = good that I'll put him out of the picture at least for today with my vote.

That's just it though - if you assume the voting was between two wolves, it makes no sense for a wiz to move his vote late. All it does is bring attention. I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

[Abe Sargent]

Hoopsguy and Blade = post whores.

WW - the best way to increase your post count outside of dynasties.

-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

That's just it though - if you assume the voting was between two wolves, it makes no sense for a wiz to move his vote late. All it does is bring attention. I think you're barking up the wrong tree.



I agree with cronin. Dammit, cronin, stop making sense, I'm voting for you right now! ;)


-Anxiety

[Blade6119]

I agree with cronin. Dammit, cronin, stop making sense, I'm voting for you right now! ;)


-Anxiety
While im not agreeing with either side, cronin wants to vote you...how can you agree with him?

[Tyrith]

Cronin can still be right, it serves Anxiety's interests to try to persuade cronin that he isn't a bad guy by saying what's best for the team, even if he doesn't believe it.

[Alan T]

Right now I'm weighing between Schmidty and Path for today's vote. If anyone has strong feelings for why one of them is clearly a wolf I would love to hear them sooner rather than later ...


I am not sure that either is clearly a wolf or vice versa. I do feel both played in ways that felt erratic to me and even to the point of detremental for our team. Maybe it will help your decision, but I could go either way on voting for a handful of people right now (including Path, Schmidty and Anxiety). I think I feel better keeping my vote right now on Path just because he is the only one of the three that seems "attached" to someone else right now. Whether it was intentional or not, Path and Ardent both played pretty convienantly together at the end. It made it look like Path was good for not voting mckerney and made Ardent not look horribly bad because he was forced into the position.

If Path is bad, I likely will vote for Ardent tommorrow. If Path is good, I'll probably have to look at Schmidty or Anxiety for tommorrow

[stevew]

WW - the best way to increase your post count outside of dynasties.

-Anxiety
Indeed

[Tyrith]

Alan makes a good point, if we get path as a bad guy then we can probably roll up Ardent with him. That's nearly enough to pull me into making a vote for now.

VOTE PATH

[stevew]

I think that things are not as they seem. That one person in particular is not who he says he is, and that this will be the key crux that decides who wins this round.

[Barkeep49]

Saldana: Hoops brought up a good point. Do we have the same role? Or similar ones? Are you interested in exploring this?

[Barkeep49]

I think that things are not as they seem. That one person in particular is not who he says he is, and that this will be the key crux that decides who wins this round.
I think this is the safest ww statement ever.

[Abe Sargent]

While im not agreeing with either side, cronin wants to vote you...how can you agree with him?


Cronin was pointing out to hoopsguy that since hoops was one of the two people in the running yesterday, then people who switched back and forth might be wolves, and not antagonists, because the antagonists would not have needed to reveal themselves.

Hoopsguy should be operating under the assumption that he himself is a wolf, which means that he should be looking elsewhere.

It does not necessarily mean he should look at me, of course :)

That leads me to ask a question of hoops, why are you looking at those people then, in light of the fact that you believe yourself to be a wolf?

-Anxiety

[path12]

Without going back and looking, doesn't it seem like half the damn players have said something along these lines?

Am I apparently the only person who can't clear anyone and/or doesn't know anyone else?

Nope. I'm in the same boat.

[Poli]

I tried to post a few minutes ago, but this computer is acting screwy.

What reason did path give for voting for me? I must have missed it.

VOTE Path

[path12]

Why not Anxiety?

He just hinted at a role that compels us to give him the benefit of the doubt on.

[path12]

Whether it was intentional or not, Path and Ardent both played pretty convienantly together at the end. It made it look like Path was good for not voting mckerney and made Ardent not look horribly bad because he was forced into the position.

If Path is bad, I likely will vote for Ardent tommorrow. If Path is good, I'll probably have to look at Schmidty or Anxiety for tommorrow

You do realize my vote is on Ardent right now, don't you?

[Tyrith]

Path and ardent are voting for each other, how interesting. Certainly flies in the face of some of the theory put out there, but it's still early.

[path12]

I tried to post a few minutes ago, but this computer is acting screwy.

What reason did path give for voting for me? I must have missed it.

VOTE Path

The fact that the last game, you know, the one you weren't playing in, you had around 40 posts and so far you've got closer to five is my main reason. I think that's enough of a change in style to deserve a vote.

[path12]

Back to work for awhile. Hopefully you guys will find a more profitable direction to pursue.

[Tyrith]

Current:

path - 4: AlanT (560), barkeep (602), Tyrith (730), ardent (736)
anxiety - 2: st.cronin (687), lathum (689)
schmidty - 1: saldana (561)
hoops - 1: blade (637)
ardent - 1: path (564)
st.cronin - 1: anxiety (676)

[Poli]

The fact that the last game, you know, the one you weren't playing in, you had around 40 posts and so far you've got closer to five is my main reason. I think that's enough of a change in style to deserve a vote.

Yeah, the fact that I

1. Am not on leave
2. Don't exactly have a home
3. Don't exactly have access to a computer a lot right now
4. And scrambling to get everything completed before I transfer on Saturday

should have effect on that, either.

[Poli]

Pfft.

The only reason I have a computer right now is I'm supposed to be filling out some form for my passport.

[stevew]

I think this is the safest ww statement ever.
You're probably right.

[stevew]

I'm trying to catch up to the others that have over 2500 posts in WW threads.

[Alan T]

You do realize my vote is on Ardent right now, don't you?


I think that is something that is really bothering me about today. Until a little bit ago, there were 8 votes out total for 6 different people. I think thats worse than many day 1 vote spreads even. Its pretty easy to jump onto bandwagons when its wolf vs wolf, but when its this spread out, it makes me feel like something is up and people are positioning somehow for late day movements.

Im about to head out of here to go home, but will be on for a while before deadline. I'm not afraid to change my vote if need be, but I need some convincing.

[Coffee Warlord]

I still don't have the full feel of things yet. But, a smidge of a bad feeling plus one other thing that I'd prefer to keep quiet right now makes me cast the vote for...

Vote St Cronin

[stevew]

Damn, I didnt realize Turlos was still around.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm taking off in a few minutes to go play Magic. I hope that I'll be able to check back in and see what's going on later. Good luck to us. Well, some of us :) Good luck to the pack.

-Anxiety