Werewolf XXVIII: Mad Wizard and the Wolves (Game over Pg45)

[SirFozzie]

The Werewolves are on the backfoot against the Kingdoms of Man in their war. While they had destroyed several towns in their initial rampages, they were never numerous (leading to their usual tactic of hiding in a town's population and attempting to turn the town against each other).. and have lost several key battles recently and the Kingdom of Men are pressing the advantage. Hearing that the remnants of the largest pack of wolves to be turned back are holing up in the ruins of a destroyed town.. several cities pooled their money to hire the best wizard they could to go in, and scour the wolves with magical flame.

Unfortunately, the best wizard they could hire was not only very powerful, but madder then a March Hare. The famed Mad Wizard Trosa has arrived, and he's brought some friends along.. and he's about to turn the tables on the Wolves in a way they never expected before. They're going to play the game, with his own twist.

And they don't call him the Mad Wizard for nothing.

16 Spots open

1.Anxiety - Torn Apart Day 4
2.Barkeep49
3.Qwikshot - Blasted Night 1
4. AlanT - Torn Apart Day 6
5. Mckerney - Torn Apart Day 2
6. Saldana
7. Lathum
8. st cronin - Blasted Night 5
9. path12 - Torn Apart Day 3
10. Sack Attack - Revealed as Wizard Day 8
11 Tyrith - torn Apart Day 7
12.Schmidty
13. Coffee Warlord- Torn apart Day 5
14.Hoopsguy - Blasted Night 7
15.tanglewood - Torn Apart Day 1
16.Blade6119 - Blasted Night 3

Alternates: None at this time.

Rules:

Roles will be handed out this weekend. This will begin Night 0 and discussion will be allowed at this point.

Game will start Tuesday, 9 AM with Night 0 Actions due at that point. Game will then run on a Monday-Friday basis, with Night action results being revealed at 9 am, and lynch results being revealed at 10 PM.

Lynches are based on most votes rule

Ties will be handled under the following rule: The two "boss" characters can each break a tie once (the Wolf player will have first choice on whether to break a tie or not, followed by the Wizard player). However, breaking a tie WILL reveal your role. If neither player wishes to break the tie, it will be decided by a coin flip.

The game will go until the Wizard flees, The Wizard and his henchmen outnumber the remaining Wolves (or a 1v1 basis), or the Wizard and his henchmen are all killed.

Victory Conditions:

Wolves:
Complete Victory: Wizard and henchmen killed, Wolf Boss stays alive
Moderate Victory: Wizard Flees, Henchmen killed, Wolf Boss stays alive
Moderate Victory: Wizard and henchmen Killed, Wolf Boss is killed
Light Victory: Wizard Flees, Henchmen Killed, Wolf Boss is Killed

Wizard/Henchmen:
Victory: Eliminate all Wolves

[Abe Sargent]

In!

-Anxiety

[Barkeep49]

Gladly in. What are the times you are looking at for lynch?

[SirFozzie]

Probably 10 PM Lynch time, 9 AM Night Action's due.

[Alan T]

With the long holiday weekend, when were you looking to get started?

[Qwikshot]

I'll play if you want me.

[Abe Sargent]

We need to make sure we do this in alphabetical order. Anxiety, Barkeep, Blade, etc.

-Anxiety

[SirFozzie]

With the long holiday weekend, when were you looking to get started?

Probably start a week from today, with roles being sent out over the weekend and Night 0 actions if any to be received Tuesday morning

[SirFozzie]

I'll play if you want me.

You're in, Qwik.

[Alan T]

Probably start a week from today, with roles being sent out over the weekend and Night 0 actions if any to be received Tuesday morning


Ok, I'll play. Tuesday is my birthday though, so I likely won't be around till later that evening. (Please don't lynch me on my birthday for being quiet on the first day!) :)

[mckerney]

in

[saldana]

in....should be festive to see who is dead first, me or alan, as we seem to have the 3 day limit pretty much locked down on us.

[Lathum]

I hate to be a pain but do you know if you plan on running the game over the first weekend because I am going away the whole weekend and I would hate to be innactive and maybe spoil the game.

[st.cronin]

In

[Swaggs]

Damn. I'd love to get in on this one, but will be out of town from June 3-June 10. :(

[path12]

In!

[SnDvls]

I'll jump in....but damnit...make me a villager!!! :)

[SnDvls]

dola - and BTW I'm anti weekend play too

[Tyrith]

in, and weekend is also bad.

[SirFozzie]

will update the list and since so many people can't make weekends it'll be a m-f game

[Schmidty]

I'll give WW one last shot, mostly because I'm going to be bored for the next week or so. But if there're anymore childish crap in this one, I can't promise I'll stick around.

I'm in.

[SirFozzie]

Good to hear Schmidty.

I've updated the list.. if we get 16 soon, do you want to start the game tommorrow or Thursday instead of Next Tuesday?

[st.cronin]

I'll give WW one last shot, mostly because I'm going to be bored for the next week or so. But if there're anymore childish crap in this one, I can't promise I'll stick around.

I'm in.

lol

[Schmidty]

lol

lol at my weekness, I don't care. :( :D

[st.cronin]

lol at my weekness, I don't care. :( :D

Schmidty, you might be my favorite fofcer. :D I hope the Pistons get swept.

[SnDvls]

Good to hear Schmidty.

I've updated the list.. if we get 16 soon, do you want to start the game tommorrow or Thursday instead of Next Tuesday?


That's fine w/ me as long as it picks back up on Tuesday (30th) after Memorial Day.

though it might be odd/crazy to start it on Thursday...two day and one night action then a three day break. I guess if you can start it Wed. then we'd at least get three days and two nights before a well needed three day weekend.

just my opinion

[saldana]

I'll give WW one last shot, mostly because I'm going to be bored for the next week or so. But if there're anymore childish crap in this one, I can't promise I'll stick around.

I'm in.


good to see you decided to stay...i agree with the childish crap needs to stop concept...werewolf is a game. games are supposed to be fun.

[Lathum]

I'm all for starting asap

[saldana]

dola, i say crank this shit up as soon as its full

[Alan T]

Good to hear Schmidty.

I've updated the list.. if we get 16 soon, do you want to start the game tommorrow or Thursday instead of Next Tuesday?

I can't play if it starts this week. Out of town till next Tuesday :(

I would likely miss the first 3 days of the game, which is usually all that I am normally alive for!

[Schmidty]

Schmidty, you might be my favorite fofcer. :D I hope the Pistons get swept.

And I hope Shaq slips in Icy Hot and breaks his hip. But if he does, I won't cheer!! :D

[dubb93]

I'll play but I atleast ask that my fellow players follow along with the game, it makes things easier when everyone knows what is going on ;)

[SirFozzie]

Got it Dubb.. and yes.. you don't want to miss anything in this game.. remember how many twists and turns there were in my last game of WW that I ran? (Evil Grin) I was just getting warmed up.

[hoopsguy]

I should be able to play either this week or next week - my work project is more or less wrapped up at this point.

Looking forward to it, Fozzie. Your X-Com game was my first full game (subbed in midway through the previous one) and is largely to blame for all my lost hours to FOFC werewolf over the last year.

[tanglewood]

In. :)

[Blade6119]

Looking forward to it, Fozzie. Your X-Com game was my first full game (subbed in midway through the previous one) and is largely to blame for all my lost hours to FOFC werewolf over the last year.
Your the reason i died...you were too damn smart(my first game too, and i was the head baddie)

[Blade6119]

ill play i guess, if i can get a fair shake from fozzie

[Schmidty]

ill play i guess, if i can get a fair shake from fozzie

What kind of thing is that to say? Pretty rude in my opinion. Questioning a guy's character is pretty lame. I gave you a fair shake, didn't I?

I wouldn't have even let you in my game if you had something that unfair.

[KWhit]

So Blade, have you had a run in with Foz too? Not taking a shot, I just missed it and it makes me feel left out.

[Blade6119]

What kind of thing is that to say? Pretty rude in my opinion. Questioning a guy's character is pretty lame. I gave you a fair shake, didn't I?

I wouldn't have even let you in my game if you had something that unfair.
After the way he went out of his way to tear me down repeatedly in the mod thread, i have no doubt in my mind about his feelings and the extent he feels them. I never felt you would let your feelings get in the way, fozzie i dont know about. So i make that comment to him, letting him make the call if i play or not. Just saying in doesnt leave him any options, and this is his game. If he doesnt want me to play, no harm no foul.

[Blade6119]

So Blade, have you had a run in with Foz too? Not taking a shot, I just missed it and it makes me feel left out.
Some time ago on day one it came down to me or him and we got into a big argument...the fact day 1 was like 3 days didnt help. He got lynched, i thought it was over, but then he made some rather harsh comments in other threads...He had a nickname for me like bladey..dont remember it

[SirFozzie]

Blade and I have had a grudge going back a while now, he's the reason why I haven't signed up for any WW games in a while, and his actions are why. I strive to run a fair and fun game, and BS comments like that don't help, but you are welcome to join if you still want to, and I promise I will treat you no better and no worse then the other folks in the game, Blade.

[Schmidty]

After the way he went out of his way to tear me down repeatedly in the mod thread, i have no doubt in my mind about his feelings and the extent he feels them. I never felt you would let your feelings get in the way, fozzie i dont know about. So i make that comment to him, letting him make the call if i play or not. Just saying in doesnt leave him any options, and this is his game. If he doesnt want me to play, no harm no foul.

Then don't sign up. The last thing we need is more conflict and juvenile behavior. That isn't directed at you totally, but when you feel that uncomfortable that you have to question him publically, then you probably shouldn't play. Just an opinion.

[SirFozzie]

and get it right, I called ya Binky :)

[st.cronin]

Tom Brady disapproves of Werewolf grudges.

[Blade6119]

ill play...im trying something this game, a whole new Blade character. Well see how it goes, but its aimed at cutting down controversy like this

[Fouts]

Good luck with the game. I enjoyed the last WW game run by Foz, even if people didn't like what I did.

[SirFozzie]

Thanks Fouts, and Blade, you're in.

[saldana]

So Blade, have you had a run in with Foz too? Not taking a shot, I just missed it and it makes me feel left out.
if you would care to relive it, it was during the chuck norris samurai vs ninja game...i couldnt decide who to vote for on day one because i wanted both of them to shut up so badly.

[Blade6119]

How does the lead wizard flee might i ask?

[SirFozzie]

The Wizard will have that option after each round. But without going into his role too deeply he's pretty much nigh-unkillable except under certain circumstances.

[Poli]

Rats. Am I an alternate?

[SnDvls]

give ardent my spot...I won't have time to play after all

sorry Fozzie

[SirFozzie]

Rats. Am I an alternate?

Since SnDvls is unable to play, you're in, AE :)

[Poli]

Word.

[SirFozzie]

Updated the first post.

[Alan T]

Just a bump and reminder I'm going out of town today, and won't get back till Tuesday night late. So I won't be able to check in till Wednesday and will miss day 1. So my being quiet on day one is not some super strategy or anything.. just me being out of town. :) Happy memorial day everyone!

[Lathum]

Just a bump and reminder I'm going out of town today, and won't get back till Tuesday night late. So I won't be able to check in till Wednesday and will miss day 1. So my being quiet on day one is not some super strategy or anything.. just me being out of town. :) Happy memorial day everyone!
VOTE ALAN T

[saldana]

VOTE ALAN T
beat me by like 40 seconds!!!:mad: ;)

[Lathum]

beat me by like 40 seconds!!!:mad: ;)
story of your life...:eek:

[SirFozzie]

Roles are being sent out shortly.

[Blade6119]

Before i get my role, im playing a unique style this time for me(unique to me, others play it). So when you wonder what im doing this game, remember this quote.

[Blade6119]

LOL, get the PM from fozzie as i hit the reply button for the post above

[Lathum]

Before i get my role, im playing a unique style this time for me(unique to me, others play it). So when you wonder what im doing this game, remember this quote.
so does that mean your not going to be an instagating, know it all obnoxious little pain in the ass...;)

[Blade6119]

so does that mean your not going to be an instagating, know it all obnoxious little pain in the ass...;)
Actually, thats exactly what it means...with proper spelling of course. Well, i still do know it all, but thats besides the point :p

[st.cronin]

I thought we were waiting for after the weekend?

[SirFozzie]

We are, Night 0 actions will be due Tuesday at 9 AM.

Just sending out the roles now.

[Blade6119]

I thought we were waiting for after the weekend?
There is a night 0 cronin, im assuming that will last through the weekend with day 1 to start monday

[st.cronin]

i c

[Blade6119]

Cant we bump that to monday for day one? Do we really need monday too just to send in a few PMs?

[SirFozzie]

Quite a few folks won't be a round Monday.. but Night 0 Doesn't have much happening, and I'd rather get the first lynch in Tuesday.

[hoopsguy]

Wolf checking in, looking for weak human intruders to maul and devour.

[saldana]

mmmmmm, human intruders. [drools/]

wolf checking in.

[Poli]

Crazy? I went crazy once. They put me in a padded cell.

[Poli]

Oops. Wrong game. :)

Wolf checking in.

[Qwikshot]

so does that mean your not going to be an instagating, know it all obnoxious little pain in the ass...;)

What's Blade saying...I still have him on my ignore list.

[Poli]

What's Blade saying...I still have him on my ignore list.Blade was only on my ignore list for the remainder of the game.

I'd suggest new game, new life.

[Qwikshot]

Blade was only on my ignore list for the remainder of the game.

I'd suggest new game, new life.

That was said tongue in cheek, I forgot a smilie.

[Blade6119]

What's Blade saying...I still have him on my ignore list.
LOL, if he wants to know un-ignore...if he wants to be a little girl about it, he doesnt need to know

[Qwikshot]

That was said tongue in cheek, I forgot a smilie.


Of course it'll last four or five posts within the game, I just know it.

:D

[Poli]

By the way, my schedule next week will allow for gametime during the afternoon and night, but my schedule the next week in South Carolina will probably be a lot more grueling. I hear there's a net cafe there on the base open 24 hours, but I'm also hearing rumor of 12-14 hour training days. I'm not sure how long I'll be in SC, but I expect to last a week or two.

I hear Africa is a great place to be this time of year as well.

[Poli]

That was said tongue in cheek, I forgot a smilie.

Gotcha. :)

[Qwikshot]

LOL, if he wants to know un-ignore...if he wants to be a little girl about it, he doesnt need to know

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i107/qwikshot1975/23161673.jpg


T-minus 5 posts...:D

[Qwikshot]

By the way, my schedule next week will allow for gametime during the afternoon and night, but my schedule the next week in South Carolina will probably be a lot more grueling. I hear there's a net cafe there on the base open 24 hours, but I'm also hearing rumor of 12-14 hour training days. I'm not sure how long I'll be in SC, but I expect to last a week or two.

I hear Africa is a great place to be this time of year as well.


Fresh air and sunshine is good for a wolf...or henchmen (dun dun dunnnnn!)

[Blade6119]

Due to a promise i made someone else, have your fun...i retreat

[Poli]

Dorks. :)

[Qwikshot]

Due to a promise i made someone else, have your fun...i retreat


What's that smell? Smells like victory...

I'll play nice, I always have.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i107/qwikshot1975/duval32.jpg

[Poli]

I'd like the record to show I have yet to post pictures in this thread. ;)

[Schmidty]

I am here now. You may all resume your normal, moribund existances.

[Schmidty]

What's that smell? Smells like victory...

I'll play nice, I always have.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i107/qwikshot1975/duval32.jpg

That is the worst signature ever (not yours). It looks like "Delt Over".

[path12]

Wolf here. Wolf there. Wolf everywhere. Wolf good.

[Schmidty]

Wolf here. Wolf there. Wolf everywhere. Wolf good.

Are you saying that you're a Wolf?

[path12]

Yeah. I find clarity is eluding me today.

[Abe Sargent]

Sigh. I hate this obligatory, "I wam a wolf, hear me roar," thing we do at the beginning of every game. It doesn't mean anything, just adds to the white noise.


-Anxiety

[hoopsguy]

I'm looking forward to the "lynch" scenes - somehow I'm guessing that stringing someone up with a rope isn't the way that wolves look to take care of the disguised humans.

[Abe Sargent]

Dola - I'd like to edit my above post for grammar, but I can't. Now someone is going to ask what a wam wolf. Sigh.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm looking forward to the "lynch" scenes - somehow I'm guessing that stringing someone up with a rope isn't the way that wolves look to take care of the disguised humans.


Heh, hadn't thought of that at all.


-Anxiety

[hoopsguy]

Anxiety, in this case I was hoping someone with a human role would come after me with a "wait a minute, are you admitting to being a wolf? Lynch him!". That would have been pretty damn amusing ...

Also, in the games where I have been a wolf in the past I've always wanted to express on the message board my desire to rip the defenseless humans apart. So it is kind of a reversal of fortune to be able to do this here and be in the majority faction.

Overall I agree with your sentiment. Just not for this particular game because of the reasons above.

[SirFozzie]

Heh, hadn't thought of that at all.


-Anxiety

Bah. By now, you guys should know that I don't do things the EASY WAY..

:D

(evil Games Master rubbing his hands together and giggling evilly at some of the things he's put in this game)

[Blade6119]

Anxiety, in this case I was hoping someone with a human role would come after me with a "wait a minute, are you admitting to being a wolf? Lynch him!". That would have been pretty damn amusing ...

Not 6 posts before yours hoops....think it bears mentioning again and again

Are you saying that you're a Wolf?

[path12]

Now someone is going to ask what a wam wolf.

What a wam wolf?

[Schmidty]

Not 6 posts before yours hoops....think it bears mentioning again and again

Huh? Again and again, what?

[Schmidty]

Not 6 posts before yours hoops....think it bears mentioning again and again

Are you talking about what I said to path12? It was meant as sarcasm, Sherlock. He said the word "wolf" 3-4 times, so I was being a smartass. You do understand sarcasm, right?

The fact that you jumped on me so fast, when I was obviously being facetious makes me a little leary of you. Or maybe I should look at it as you just not getting it.

[saldana]

gotta side with schmidty on this one...blade, put that back in context and it's about as innocuous as possible.

[dubb93]

Bah, wolf checking in, keeping out of the schmidty/blade/everyone argument that is breaking out at the moment.

[saldana]

Bah, wolf checking in, keeping out of the schmidty/blade/everyone argument that is breaking out at the moment.


come on, get in the argument...we're wolves, we are supposed to fight amongst ourselves a bit...stop being so weak....or are you a wolfette?;)

[Barkeep49]

I'm here and am not a human.

[Schmidty]

Are you talking about what I said to path12? It was meant as sarcasm, Sherlock. He said the word "wolf" 3-4 times, so I was being a smartass. You do understand sarcasm, right?

The fact that you jumped on me so fast, when I was obviously being facetious makes me a little leary of you. Or maybe I should look at it as you just not getting it.

By the way, I apologize for calling you Sherlock. :)

[Blade6119]

By the way, I apologize for calling you Sherlock. :)
You should be, as i am obviously 10x the detective sherlock is

[Blade6119]

dola, note i was replying to a joke by hoops...like other people said earlier, maybe i should have added my sarcasm smile. Im not about to get into an argument this early, if at all this game if i can.

[Abe Sargent]

What a wam wolf?



Damn my typing!


-Anxiety

[Schmidty]

Damn my typing!


-Anxiety

Don't worry. The no-edit rule has made many a WW player look like a dunce (including me). :)

[saldana]

Don't worry. The no-edit rule has made many a WW player look like a drunk (including me). :)


fixed it for you :eek: :D

[Abe Sargent]

heehee

[Schmidty]

fixed it for you :eek: :D

HEY!!! Not fair.

My wife won't let me be a drunk. :(

[st.cronin]

Ok, so I have figured out that in this game the humans are the informed minority, and the wolves the uninformed majority. So let me say for the record, I am a wolf.

Now, I didn't play in Foz's last game - would somebody who was there like to comment on what sort of secret roles he likes?

[SirFozzie]

Let's see.. turning a member of the informed minority into a member of the majority (and he did it well too.)

Converters.

Casting doubts on the death of some folks.

Having a good guy look like a bad guy..

Aw hell.. it's more fun to read about it then to write about it..

Here's the last game :)

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=40916&highlight=XCom

But I'm not promising to use any of those tricks again, I have a whole bunch of new tricks up my sleeve :)

[Blade6119]

Let's see.. turning a member of the informed minority into a member of the majority (and he did it well too.)
Fouts..that rat bastard...

[SirFozzie]

*laughs* And the aliens very nearly pulled it off too!

It was a fun fun game :)

[hoopsguy]

OK, pretty quiet so far this weekend. No surprise there.

Over the last couple of games, it seems that the "quiet wolf" has become more in vogue again. I just hate that style of play, personally. I think it sucks some of the life out of the game when there is no real clash between the good/evil forces. I understand that people should play to win in the best way they know how, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.

With that in mind, I'm planning to attack inactive players a little more aggressively in my voting patterns than in past games. This goes not only for post count, but for lurkers in the thread who are not posting. Obviously I'm not going to overlook significant game information to only look at activity level, but if I'm going to be wrong on a vote then I would prefer to miss by taking out an inactive player (all other things being equal).

Here are the guys who have not posted since roles were released:
mckerney
tyrith
tanglewood

Obviously we are not yet in voting mode (Night 0 and all) but I figure we may as well try to get the conversation going now rather than waiting until Tuesday.

[Fouts]

Let's see.. turning a member of the informed minority into a member of the majority (and he did it well too.)

Converters.

Casting doubts on the death of some folks.

Having a good guy look like a bad guy..

Aw hell.. it's more fun to read about it then to write about it..

Here's the last game :)

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=40916&highlight=XCom

But I'm not promising to use any of those tricks again, I have a whole bunch of new tricks up my sleeve :)

Man, those are some good memories and a fun read. I'll be following this thread to see what new twists you come up with.

[st.cronin]

OK, pretty quiet so far this weekend. No surprise there.

Over the last couple of games, it seems that the "quiet wolf" has become more in vogue again. I just hate that style of play, personally. I think it sucks some of the life out of the game when there is no real clash between the good/evil forces. I understand that people should play to win in the best way they know how, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.

With that in mind, I'm planning to attack inactive players a little more aggressively in my voting patterns than in past games. This goes not only for post count, but for lurkers in the thread who are not posting. Obviously I'm not going to overlook significant game information to only look at activity level, but if I'm going to be wrong on a vote then I would prefer to miss by taking out an inactive player (all other things being equal).

Here are the guys who have not posted since roles were released:
mckerney
tyrith
tanglewood

Obviously we are not yet in voting mode (Night 0 and all) but I figure we may as well try to get the conversation going now rather than waiting until Tuesday.

I think it's too early to call anybody "quiet."

[hoopsguy]

Sure, it is a holiday weekend and some people aren't even on FOFC (gasp!). And I'm going to be really, really happy if I don't have to consider anyone "quiet" over the course of this game because everyone is posting in the thread. But based on previous games I expect the more likely scenario will involve selecting between quiet guys (who may or may not be among the three who have not posted in the last 30 or so hours).

[Barkeep49]

Hoops, what makes you think that finding a wolf amongst the quiet ones will be net EV?

[Schmidty]

Here are the guys who have not posted since roles were released:
mckerney
tyrith
tanglewood

Obviously we are not yet in voting mode (Night 0 and all) but I figure we may as well try to get the conversation going now rather than waiting until Tuesday.

Ok, here's my analysis:

Tyrith - Only has one vowel in his name. It is widely understood in the scientific community that people with a single vowel in their name are much more trustworthy than people with a multitude. Also, Tyrith's name incorporates the name Tyr, the Norse god of justice.

It cannot be more clear that Tyrith is an honorable man; therefore, he is in my circle of trust.

mckerney - The irish are a noble race. Although they enjoy their spirits, they are decent folk, and can be counted on for truthful answers. The only drawback is that his name is not capitalized. This shows a tendency to want to hide beneath the guise of meekness, while simutaneously having the need to explode with emotion boiling below the surface. Such a combustable person is likely to blow at any moment, even if it hasn't happened yet.

I am torn on mckerney, so I am forced to put him in the warily trusted category.

tanglewood - This case is quite easy to read, and is quite disturbing. The vowel to consonant ratio is extremely high, and I as said above, this is a HUGE red flag. That alone would be enough to damn tanglewood, but there's even more.

Let's more closely at his name. It can be broken down into two troubling parts: tangle and wood.

Tangle - 1. To mix together or intertwine in a confused mass; snarl.
2. To involve in hampering or awkward complications; entangle.
3. To catch and hold in or as if in a net; entrap.

Wood - 1. Mentally unbalanced; insane.
(adj. from middle english wode)

As you can see, it is obvious that the name "tanglewood" is a none-to-subtle threat to the rest of us. He is a maniac who wants to confuse us and ensnare us in his insidious plot to gain dishonorable victory. Add in the fact that his name isn't even capitalized, and it is clear that he must be destroyed before we are destroyed.

tanglewood is on my EXTREMELY distrusted list.

[hoopsguy]

Trends over the last few games (excluding me as a wolf, as I'm not exactly the quiet type) is one justification for this stance. But probably the bigger one is that I will have more fun playing with active players, which makes it +EV for me personally. I hope that this coincides with catching humans (not wolves this time, BK).

Again, this won't be my only criteria for voting. But consider it my internal tie-breaker.

[hoopsguy]

Schmidty, if I could vote right now I would cast it for Tanglewood based on your flawless analysis.

[hoopsguy]

Wait a minute, my name isn't capitalized ... :eek:

[Schmidty]

Wait a minute, my name isn't capitalized ... :eek:

And your vowel-consonant ratio isn't that good. I'm watching you closely......

[hoopsguy]

But I do have the advantage of a sports-oriented name on a sports-oriented site. I believe this augurs well for open and forthright communications.

[Schmidty]

But I do have the advantage of a sports-oriented name on a sports-oriented site. I believe this augurs well for open and forthright communications.

I will give you that much. You aren't trying to confuse us with your name, as tanglewood is. You like hoops and you're a guy.

But the lower-case situation combined with the vowel issue, still makes me a bit uncomfortable.

[st.cronin]

I will give you that much. You aren't trying to confuse us with your name, as tanglewood is. You like hoops and you're a guy.

But the lower-case situation combined with the vowel issue, still makes me a bit uncomfortable.

I don't know how you expect us to take you seriously when you openly root for the Detroit Lions.

[Abe Sargent]

Here are the guys who have not posted since roles were released:
mckerney
tyrith
tanglewood

Obviously we are not yet in voting mode (Night 0 and all) but I figure we may as well try to get the conversation going now rather than waiting until Tuesday.


Over a holiday weekend? I think you may be pushing a bit too soon there.


-Anxiety

[hoopsguy]

Anxiety, what is the downside in pushing a little bit? If there are better Day 0 strategies out there I'm open for listening to them. The consensus for Day 1 votes is that they are a crapshoot anyways, so why not throw something out there that generates some conversation?

That said, I'm not openly campaigning for one of those three people to get voted off the island right away. Is there a chance I will end up going that way? Sure, and that chance is probably better than 3 in 15 but we have about 70 hours of discussion between now and the vote deadline for Day 1. Plus any additional info that may come out from Night 0 (hey, we could get lucky). So please don't get the idea that I'm locked in on voting for one of these people just yet.

What I would like the takeaway from those posts to be is that we have been seeing quiet play by the bad guys get rewarded in the last few games.
1.) I don't like losing these games
2.) If I'm going to lose I would rather it be to someone who outsmarts me rather than to someone who avoids talking to me

[st.cronin]

Anxiety, what is the downside in pushing a little bit? If there are better Day 0 strategies out there I'm open for listening to them. The consensus for Day 1 votes is that they are a crapshoot anyways, so why not throw something out there that generates some conversation?

That said, I'm not openly campaigning for one of those three people to get voted off the island right away. Is there a chance I will end up going that way? Sure, and that chance is probably better than 3 in 15 but we have about 70 hours of discussion between now and the vote deadline for Day 1. Plus any additional info that may come out from Night 0 (hey, we could get lucky). So please don't get the idea that I'm locked in on voting for one of these people just yet.

What I would like the takeaway from those posts to be is that we have been seeing quiet play by the bad guys get rewarded in the last few games.
1.) I don't like losing these games
2.) If I'm going to lose I would rather it be to someone who outsmarts me rather than to someone who avoids talking to me

I'm in the midst of reading Foz's X-Com game, and I just want to point out that this is not Day 0, but NIGHT 0. And apparently Foz likes for lots of stuff to happen during the night. My point here is that whatever direction we go in today will be pretty much nullified by whatever ends up happening during the night, and may even get us wolves in trouble.

[hoopsguy]

Have fun reading that one, StC. I had a blast playing in it.

[st.cronin]

Have fun reading that one, StC. I had a blast playing in it.

Reading it hurts my brain. I worry that my IQ isn't high enough for a Foz game.

[Tyrith]

Yay, someone trusts me, especially after the last game where I acted like the sweet innocent satanic evil doctor of death. :)

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety, what is the downside in pushing a little bit?


1.) I don't like losing these games
2.) If I'm going to lose I would rather it be to someone who outsmarts me rather than to someone who avoids talking to me


I don't mind you explaining your strategy, and its your strategy. so no problems here. It just seems a bit premature, that's all.


BTW, who says that you can't be both outsmarted and not talked to?

-Anxiety

[Tyrith]

Responding to hoops about quiet players: I agree, the quiet wolf thing would seem to take some out of the game. Mainly I was quiet last game because everyone trusted me for the reason that I was the newbie, and I wasn't going to rock the boat. You can expect to see a lot more witty commentary and snarky remarks out of me this time around.

[SirFozzie]

OOOoooo the paranoia's started early.. goodie!

[Tyrith]

OOOoooo the paranoia's started early.. goodie!

Should I be scared now, or really really really scared?

[SirFozzie]

Should I be scared now, or really really really scared?

Oh trust me, the game's no fun when the GM screws you over. It's much more fun when the GM gives the other PLAYERS the ability to screw you over :D

[Tyrith]

Oh trust me, the game's no fun when the GM screws you over. It's much more fun when the GM gives the other PLAYERS the ability to screw you over :D

That's what I'm afraid of, these guys know more than me :P

[tanglewood]

Sorry, I haven't checked in yet. I am currently/have been viewing a couple of properties this weekend, so haven't had much time.

I am a WOLF!

(Sorry, always wanted to say that.)

[mckerney]

wam wolf checking in.

[Abe Sargent]

Heh

[st.cronin]

Arf, arf.

[Schmidty]

Arf, arf.

You're a cocker spaniel?

[st.cronin]

You're a cocker spaniel?

I want to eat a wizard.

[SirFozzie]

The war goes poorly for the wolves. They have been turned back from several villages, and several large packs have been reduced to a few members. Several packs have grouped together to try to reform and at least protect that the Wolves have gained so far.

As the wolves arrive, the sky is darkening, and there's a taint of foul human magic in the air... but those who are already there cannot flee, as their thoughts disappate when they attempt to think of escape.

Finally, as if drawn by an irrestible force, the wolves gather in the ruined town of Boghaven's town square.

With a flash of light, forms appear in the mist. Several brave wolves attempt to attack the forms, but their teeth snap on mistand they are blown back by winds.

"I am the wizard Trosa, called the Mad Wizard by some.. and you.. well.. you are the ones I havve been paid to burn to cinders.. but you see, I believe in making you suffer jsut as much as the lives you have all taken. So starting tonight, you will play the same game that you have inflicted on so many other villages.Starting Tommorrow, you will choose one of your own to fall every day, and every night I will attempt to remove one.. OR MORE of you. If you fail to discover me and my.. companions in time.. you all will die. But there are worse fates then death.. some of you might find that Fate will be cruel.. Who knows.. if you find me, you may even be able to end my life. But I don't think so. Your species never works together well.. anyway.. let the game begin!"

There is a huge flash of light and when it fades and the afterimages stop.. there are 16 wolves, eyeing each other warily, waiting for a reason to go for each other's throats.

The image of the Mad Wizard laughs one more time. "Tommorrow night, your downfall begins.."

[st.cronin]

So are we on day 1 now?

[Abe Sargent]

He said companions, so there are at least three villagers out there. (The mage + at least two others to make "companions")

-Anxiety

[st.cronin]

He said companions, so there are at least three villagers out there. (The mage + at least two others to make "companions")

-Anxiety

Well, it's possible nobody is the wizard Trosa ... that his character is outside the game, and his henchmen are making the decisions. I don't know that I'd read that much into it.

[SirFozzie]

we are now in Day 1. Voting ends at 10 PM

[Poli]

we are now in Day 1. Voting ends at 10 PMFlying to Chicago today. I'll be out till this afternoon.

[Abe Sargent]

Well, it's possible nobody is the wizard Trosa ... that his character is outside the game, and his henchmen are making the decisions. I don't know that I'd read that much into it.



From this sentence, "Who knows.. if you find me, you may even be able to end my life," it seems to me he is among us. Damn humies.

-Anxiety

[Barkeep49]

I think it's likely he's among us. Beyond that I am going to go for the guy who coasted to a victory last time because he was quiet.

Vote Tyrith

[saldana]

Well, it's possible nobody is the wizard Trosa ... that his character is outside the game, and his henchmen are making the decisions. I don't know that I'd read that much into it.
to win a super major victory, or whatever it was called, we have to kill him and all his henchmen, so he has to be in the game

[path12]

I think it's likely he's among us. Beyond that I am going to go for the guy who coasted to a victory last time because he was quiet.

Vote Tyrith

Damnit! I wanted to be the first to vote for him! I've got no problem with putting a little pressure on and getting him to talk a bit.....

Vote Tyrith

[Qwikshot]

I'm not going to vote Tyrinth because of some prior game (which we should have no knowledge about).

Hoops, I think things are quiet because of the holiday...it'll pick up.

Vote Blade

Simply because he's eager for blood and jumping to some conclusions pretty early...not that I don't clear Schmidty, but quite fast to strike. This should be a calm process, something will give, and we'll claw through the discussion.

Now Blade, that is why I'm voting for you, not because of past history. Feel free to vote me.

[Blade6119]

VOTE ARDENT

[Barkeep49]

So depending on the weather I am perhaps out for the day. I will say this: Blade you playing silent? That pit won't fly. I played a quiet game last time but I still gave reasons for my vote. Short reasons, but reasons. While I wasn't out there posting every time a thought came to mind, I was trying to help my team whenever I did post and did respond to every question put to me and to many of the accusations as well.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA:

I view voting for Tyrith less as a revenge and more as a way to try and pressure people into talking. The same way I just called Blade out and along a similar idea as to what Hoops has stated he wants to do.

[Blade6119]

Blade you playing silent? That pit won't fly.
ill play...im trying something this game, a whole new Blade character. Well see how it goes, but its aimed at cutting down controversy like this

Before i get my role, im playing a unique style this time for me(unique to me, others play it). So when you wonder what im doing this game, remember this quote.

If worse comes to worst, ill talk it up a bit...but i promise i doubt ill post half as much as usual. People always complain i post too much, with too much dribble. So i shall appease them with my silence. I might answer questions to me, might not....i shall play quiet, and if they want to kill me so be it

[st.cronin]

OK, pretty quiet so far this weekend. No surprise there.

Over the last couple of games, it seems that the "quiet wolf" has become more in vogue again. I just hate that style of play, personally. I think it sucks some of the life out of the game when there is no real clash between the good/evil forces. I understand that people should play to win in the best way they know how, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.

With that in mind, I'm planning to attack inactive players a little more aggressively in my voting patterns than in past games. This goes not only for post count, but for lurkers in the thread who are not posting. Obviously I'm not going to overlook significant game information to only look at activity level, but if I'm going to be wrong on a vote then I would prefer to miss by taking out an inactive player (all other things being equal).

Here are the guys who have not posted since roles were released:
mckerney
tyrith
tanglewood

Obviously we are not yet in voting mode (Night 0 and all) but I figure we may as well try to get the conversation going now rather than waiting until Tuesday.

I am going to tentatively align myself with hoopsguy for the day. This is not based on anything other than that I think this is a very wolf-like post. (In this game, wolf-like means un-wolf-like) I don't have any sort of inside knowledge on hoops or anybody else.

VOTE TANGLEWOOD

[saldana]

qwik, i agree with you that we shouldnt vote for tyrith as vengance for last game, however, i am a strong believer in tradition, so i will keep with my long standing one and
vote dubb

[Lathum]

I hate using info from previous games but on day one you don't have much to go by. Last game McKerney came out all guns blazing, this time he is really quiet.

VOTE MCKERNEY

[hoopsguy]

I'm jammed up in meetings this morning but will definitely be around by mid-afternoon. So far I haven't seen anything that indicates results from Night 0 actions. Which means we are likely flying pretty blind here.

Blade playing a quiet game? This should be interesting ...

[path12]

My vote for Tyrith is only tongue-in-cheek meta from last game. I am very interested in getting the quieter folks to talk more this game though. And nothing brings out the posts like a couple of votes......

[st.cronin]

Tyrith with the early lead.

Tyrith (2) - Barkeep, path
Blade (1) - Qwik
ardent (1) - Blade
tanglewood (1) - cronin
dubb - (1) saldana
mckerney - (1) lathum

[st.cronin]

dola

Qwik voted for blade; the usual response would be for blade to vote for qwik. That's the only odd vote I see so far.

[Qwikshot]

dola

Qwik voted for blade; the usual response would be for blade to vote for qwik. That's the only odd vote I see so far.

Not really...I think if anything, to not a strong vote at the start would be good, because it gathers more clues as to who is not a wolf.

What if Tyrith has a special ability to help us?

I think multiple suspects is fine, but no one today is going to truly warrant death.

Odds are we're going to off three or four of our brothers before we get the right scent.

That is why the first round of voting is brutal.

I doubt the henchmen or the mage can covert, but maybe there is that option to stop being a wolf.

I would assume one of us may be a mage killer wolf since the rules state that there is a head wolf.

[Qwikshot]

My vote of blade is baseless, just that he was hyper-aggressive which is wolfish or paranoid, or simply a henchman for blood...but I'm not sold who he is yet.

[st.cronin]

/nods in agreement

I was just pointing out that it was odd, not that it was bad or wolf-like or indicative of anything.

[mckerney]

I hate using info from previous games but on day one you don't have much to go by. Last game McKerney came out all guns blazing, this time he is really quiet.

VOTE MCKERNEY

Haven't really been online, so for that reason yes I have been quiet, and I have to be at work soon so I'll be quiet most the day. If you feel like lynching me and finding I'm villager (or in this game wolf I suppose, but I'm an innocent anyway), and then heading to a loss again, go for it.


Vote Blade

[Lathum]

Haven't really been online, so for that reason yes I have been quiet, and I have to be at work soon so I'll be quiet most the day. If you feel like lynching me and finding I'm villager (or in this game wolf I suppose, but I'm an innocent anyway), and then heading to a loss again, go for it.


Vote Blade
i was waiting for someone to do this...

[hoopsguy]

OK, my gut on how the wizard works: he can't be killed until his followers are killed. I believe that mechanic was in an earlier (outlaw?) game run by Peregrine where there were creatures and one wizard became bulletproof sometime around Day 3 ... going back aways here but perhaps this will jog some memories? I'm sure BrianD remembers this :)

Assuming the wizard is in the game early, I would love to identify him as soon as possible. Even if we can't kill him we would still be able to significantly reduce their ability to move the pack in terms of votes/influence.

I'm guessing wizard + 1-2 henchmen to start, depending on conversions. The fact that there are "worse fates than death" makes me think that conversion is a strong possibility. Hopefully not multiple conversions ...

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, given that the post you are referencing by mckerney is not edited, do you think it represents some kind of Freudian slip? If that isn't what you are driving towards, then I'm not sure why you bolded the part about "villager".

I'm looking for a good reason to vote for someone that isn't 100% guesswork at this point.

[Lathum]

Lathum, given that the post you are referencing by mckerney is not edited, do you think it represents some kind of Freudian slip? If that isn't what you are driving towards, then I'm not sure why you bolded the part about "villager".

I'm looking for a good reason to vote for someone that isn't 100% guesswork at this point.
that is exactlly what I am getting at, I know it isn't much but he was really quiet, then as soon as he got a vote he shows up and makes a possible slip up.

[hoopsguy]

Also, there was no death last night. No screams, nothing that appeared out of the ordinary. So, what kinds of actions make sense for Night 0?

Seer scan?
Conversion?
Lovers role searching for each other?
Some kind of "plant evidence"?

Unlikely:
Night kill
Bodyguard/Doctor
Witness
Assassin

[mckerney]

that is exactlly what I am getting at, I know it isn't much but he was really quiet, then as soon as he got a vote he shows up and makes a possible slip up.

I suppose if you were to ignore the whole, "or in this game wolf I suppose, but I'm an innocent anyway" you failed to bold, or the fact I'm referencing last game where I was a villager (or patient, I'm sorry), and the fact that I had to vote now being I have to leave for work will be there without internet access untile 10 EST. Yeah, I guess if you ignore all that it's a huge slip up on my part. :rolleyes:

[saldana]

i've never been a big fan of counting the way people reference the teams against them....until recently games were wolves v. villagers almost all the time, and even when its not, everyone at some point refers to the bad guys as wolves and the good guys as villagers (even though that is switched in this game)...i think it was just a turn of phrase by mckerney

[Abe Sargent]

OK, my gut on how the wizard works: he can't be killed until his followers are killed. I believe that mechanic was in an earlier (outlaw?) game run by Peregrine where there were creatures and one wizard became bulletproof sometime around Day 3 ... going back aways here but perhaps this will jog some memories? I'm sure BrianD remembers this :)



So you think, what? He's used his Magic, channeled some mind control, taken over a few wolves and if we kill all of them, we kill him too because his essence is now in these wolves? Something like that?

-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Will you guys mind if I keep calling the Wizard's whatever - henchmen? minions? mind controlled wolves? shapeshifters? doppelgangers? - things like I did in last game?


-Anxiety

[Blade6119]

As my last post for today i believe, i will merely state that as of now the wolves are making a mistake today.

[Lathum]

As my last post for today i believe, i will merely state that as of now the wolves are making a mistake today.
why do you say that?

[st.cronin]

As my last post for today i believe, i will merely state that as of now the wolves are making a mistake today.

That's incredibly helpful.

Unvote Tanglewood

Vote Blade

[hoopsguy]

Anxiety, I'm guessing that the wizard is an active role and that if we try to lynch him (or whatever our equivalent is) that he will have a magical way of escaping. However, at some later stage in the game we will be enabled to off him.

Knowing Fozzie, it will be an enjoyable piece of story-telling along the way.

[path12]

Not really...I think if anything, to not a strong vote at the start would be good, because it gathers more clues as to who is not a wolf.

What if Tyrith has a special ability to help us?

I think multiple suspects is fine, but no one today is going to truly warrant death.

Odds are we're going to off three or four of our brothers before we get the right scent.

That is why the first round of voting is brutal.

I doubt the henchmen or the mage can covert, but maybe there is that option to stop being a wolf.

I would assume one of us may be a mage killer wolf since the rules state that there is a head wolf.

I think we get too worked up about this on day ones. Yes, there is a chance that we lynch a special (although if you're a good special and you're on the block and don't at least hint as special then you probably weren't going to be of much use anyway). But there's also a chance we lynch a wolf.

Very very rare in my experience to see anyone screw up and reveal themselves as bad on day 1, which is why I've come to believe that picking someone and pressuring them a little with a couple of votes is a perfectly valid way to play the first day.

If Tyrith comes on and can give me some reasons for initial trust, I'm more than happy to switch. It's the late bandwagons on day 1 that I find most interesting......

[path12]

OK, my gut on how the wizard works: he can't be killed until his followers are killed. I believe that mechanic was in an earlier (outlaw?) game run by Peregrine where there were creatures and one wizard became bulletproof sometime around Day 3 ... going back aways here but perhaps this will jog some memories? I'm sure BrianD remembers this :)

Assuming the wizard is in the game early, I would love to identify him as soon as possible. Even if we can't kill him we would still be able to significantly reduce their ability to move the pack in terms of votes/influence.

I'm guessing wizard + 1-2 henchmen to start, depending on conversions. The fact that there are "worse fates than death" makes me think that conversion is a strong possibility. Hopefully not multiple conversions ...

Interesting idea about the possibility of having to kill the henchmen first. Hoops, in the earlier game, what would happen if the wizard was targeted before that point?

[path12]

As my last post for today i believe, i will merely state that as of now the wolves are making a mistake today.

Blade, I understand (I think) what you're trying to do, but that doesn't mean that some explanation isn't required......you need to hit that middle ground, buddy.... :)

[path12]

Also, there was no death last night. No screams, nothing that appeared out of the ordinary. So, what kinds of actions make sense for Night 0?

Seer scan?
Conversion?
Lovers role searching for each other?
Some kind of "plant evidence"?

Unlikely:
Night kill
Bodyguard/Doctor
Witness
Assassin

Considering that orders were required, I would think the seer and/or sorceror scan is most likely. Conversion, lovers and "evidence planning" are all possible of course, but we can't put too much stock in that until we learn a bit more.

BTW, I agree with you that the wizard is likely an active role.

[path12]

Just wanted to see if I could hit that rare and elusive quintuple dola....

[saldana]

Blade, I understand (I think) what you're trying to do, but that doesn't mean that some explanation isn't required......you need to hit that middle ground, buddy.... :)

i would have to agree with this...if you notice blade, no matter how out of bounds i think you have been at any point in any game, i very rarely vote for you because you are so valuable as a teammate. but, if all you are going to do is make vauge statements insinuating you know something the rest of us dont, and then not elaborate on those statements, your value drops considerably. please give me a reason not to vote for you.

[hoopsguy]

Path, I'll go back and review that game tonight. I didn't bring it up to suggest that SirFoz copied it verbatim, but just as an example of how a "super bad guy" might play out. Fozzie has made it pretty clear that the mad wizard is very tough to kill and that he can flee. So there are going to have to be some ways to enable those actions that likely are not available at the end of Day 1.

[hoopsguy]

Here is the link to that game:
http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=40666&highlight=werewolf

My first game, joined in mid-game. Not exactly my one shining werewolf moment ...

[hoopsguy]

Blade, are you planning to stick to the quiet game today? If you have any strong vibes based on today's actions I would love to hear them.

[Blade6119]

i would have to agree with this...if you notice blade, no matter how out of bounds i think you have been at any point in any game, i very rarely vote for you because you are so valuable as a teammate. but, if all you are going to do is make vauge statements insinuating you know something the rest of us dont, and then not elaborate on those statements, your value drops considerably. please give me a reason not to vote for you.
What more can i say other then im not a wizard? Its day one, voting ardent was a random vote for my good friend...im the vote leader, and not a wizard. Its a mistake to kill me. I have a trust list and a distrust list like everyone else, and so far i fairly trust 2 other players with votes already based solely on comments they have made.

Im playing the exact same role i see others play every game much to my dismay. I have already spoken far more then most of them do...I am aiming to cause as little controversy as possible, and make just as little in enemies. Therefore, i will not accuse anyone or switch my vote off ardent. All i will say is remember hoops' play 2 games ago. Most times, the best villagers are the bad guys(which, contrary to lathums cries(the same cries that got me my first two votes :rolleyes: ) againt mckerney are not the bad guys...were fighting the wizards, villagers are not involved).

That's incredibly helpful.

Unvote Tanglewood

Vote Blade
What, pray tell, is more helpful then warning you that the actions you are taking will result in the death of a good wolf? Want me to finger a wizard, becuase i can't. Its day 1, and all i know is that killing me will result in nothing but a dead wolf(for once, not a good thing)

[hoopsguy]

Here is how I show the voting right now:
Tyrith - Barkeep (158), Path (160)
Blade - Qwik (161), mckerney (176), cronin (188)
Ardent - Blade (162)
Dubb - Saldana (167)
mckerney - Lathum (168)

[Blade6119]

Blade, are you planning to stick to the quiet game today? If you have any strong vibes based on today's actions I would love to hear them.
I would like to, as an expiriment. Its funny how im being panned for doing what i have seen countless others do every game, even players in this game. I have done nothing i have not seen done a hundred times, yet i am being called out for a change. Its rather hilarious to me. If i am to die, i will share my views shortly before i do if im around. Its day one, and all i have are reactions. I have begun my normal mental proccesses to decode said actions, but i know nothing for sure. Only who i have begun to trust and who i have not

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I assume when you say that you aren't a wizard that you aren't playing semantics?

Not a wizard, not a henchman, not a human? Or just not a wizard? Although we haven't had a role with a "BS detector" for a few games, veteran players sometimes get cute with their posts to avoid outright lies.

[st.cronin]

What, pray tell, is more helpful then warning you that the actions you are taking will result in the death of a good wolf? Want me to finger a wizard, becuase i can't. Its day 1, and all i know is that killing me will result in nothing but a dead wolf(for once, not a good thing)

Bullshit. You were not in the lead when you said that. Tyrith was. And speaking cryptically like that gets people lynched, especially when it's out of character.

[Blade6119]

Blade, I assume when you say that you aren't a wizard that you aren't playing semantics?

Not a wizard, not a henchman, not a human? Or just not a wizard? Although we haven't had a role with a "BS detector" for a few games, veteran players sometimes get cute with their posts to avoid outright lies.
I am a wolf, not a wizard, henchman, human...whatever else you want me to say i will. Im a wolf through and through. Im not being cute this game, trying to just vote and analyze to myself. After all of this, id prefer to not have to deal with questions of this nature the rest of the game. If you dont believe me, vote for me...but i want to stay quiet, and im not right now.

[hoopsguy]

I understand wanting to experiment with different styles of play. I'm just a little surprised that you would want to play a quiet game. I can't see you getting much satisfaction out of it.

The bigger issue is that it is a leopard changing its spots. It is going to seem weird to people if you (same goes for me, I think) are frequently in the thread and not posting. Just like it seemed odd for you last game when Barkeep was unusually subdued. With that in mind, it almost doesn't matter that before roles came out that you indicated you would play a different style.

Over the weekend I said I wanted to put pressure on the quiet players ... never thought that you would be part of that group :p

[Blade6119]

Bullshit. You were not in the lead when you said that. Tyrith was. And speaking cryptically like that gets people lynched, especially when it's out of character.
I was tied 2-2 with tyrith, mckerney voted me as well as qwikshot. Think what you will, i dont feel a need to defend myself or my actions(i cant do right no matter how i play it seems)

[Blade6119]

I understand wanting to experiment with different styles of play. I'm just a little surprised that you would want to play a quiet game. I can't see you getting much satisfaction out of it.

The bigger issue is that it is a leopard changing its spots. It is going to seem weird to people if you (same goes for me, I think) are frequently in the thread and not posting. Just like it seemed odd for you last game when Barkeep was unusually subdued. With that in mind, it almost doesn't matter that before roles came out that you indicated you would play a different style.

Over the weekend I said I wanted to put pressure on the quiet players ... never thought that you would be part of that group :p
Im actually having the time of my life merely watching the others react, or people make certain moves. Things like people upset im not helping when ive said more then others playing, qwikshot voting for me, and mckerneys vote for me with no reason given getting no attention(giving no reasons is why people like cronin are mad at me)...just hilarious to see. :)

[st.cronin]

I was tied 2-2 with tyrith, mckerney voted me as well as qwikshot. Think what you will, i dont feel a need to defend myself or my actions(i cant do right no matter how i play it seems)

This post is very suspicious to me - does it stink to anybody else, too? I think we may be on to something.

[Schmidty]

For reasons I explained on the prior page, I:

Vote tanglewood

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, they were tied at the time he said that.

If you had not moved your vote I think I would have joined you on Tanglewood. But I don't see a whole lot of value on throwing out another single vote at this stage. So right now I'm mainly looking at the people who already have attracted votes. But mostly trying to figure out if I want my vote now to set up a two-horse race between Tyrith (who I have never played with) and Blade (who is playing a style that I think is less conducive to winning and less fun for him). Not that a 3-3-1 (lots tied with 1) is a conclusive mandate for future votes, but it is moreso than 3-2-1 (lots tied with 1).

[path12]

This post is very suspicious to me - does it stink to anybody else, too? I think we may be on to something.

I don't get a bad vibe at all from Blade so far. He sounds more weary than evil to me.

[st.cronin]

Cronin, they were tied at the time he said that.

If you had not moved your vote I think I would have joined you on Tanglewood. But I don't see a whole lot of value on throwing out another single vote at this stage. So right now I'm mainly looking at the people who already have attracted votes. But mostly trying to figure out if I want my vote now to set up a two-horse race between Tyrith (who I have never played with) and Blade (who is playing a style that I think is less conducive to winning and less fun for him). Not that a 3-3-1 (lots tied with 1) is a conclusive mandate for future votes, but it is moreso than 3-2-1 (lots tied with 1).

I know they were tied. I just feel like Blade is missing something that if he were on our side he would know. I might be wrong, though. Nobody else sees it?

[hoopsguy]

VOTE TANGLEWOOD

I'm going to line up with Schmidty here, although not because of his evil name (was a pretty funny post, Schmidty) but because he is a consistently quiet player in these games. If someone has better reasons for a Day 1 vote I'm all for it.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, I don't think I see what you are seeing.

I went back to double-check the sequence of votes to that post and everything checked out. I'm happy to talk through this with you if you think you have sniffed out a human, though.

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety, I'm guessing that the wizard is an active role and that if we try to lynch him (or whatever our equivalent is) that he will have a magical way of escaping. However, at some later stage in the game we will be enabled to off him.

Knowing Fozzie, it will be an enjoyable piece of story-telling along the way.


Well, I look forward to it, then!


-Anxiety

[st.cronin]

Let me re-read the thread. I may have misunderstood something.

[Abe Sargent]

I don't get a bad vibe at all from Blade so far. He sounds more weary than RIGHTEOUS to me.


Fixed! Since we are the evil ones, after all :)


-Anxiety

[path12]

Fixed! Since we are the evil ones, after all :)


-Anxiety

Nah. Wolves are GOOD! Good at ripping out throats, and prowling around late at night, and especially KILLING WIZARDS!!!

[Abe Sargent]

I have no clue who to vote for. I agree with path though that is seems like Blade is more weary than Righteous. Tyrith I don't have a read on a a normal villager/wolf/non-thing, since he has never boon one before.

It's Tuesday night, however. On two previous nights I ended up getting lynched and getting massive attenion because I ent out on a date, so I am telling you all now that I'm leaving for a date soon. We'll have dinner and go see X3 in the theaters. I will not be back by the deadline I suspect, so I need to vote now.

There are several reasons why I am voting thusly. One, because being the first to jump on a new guy is a bit antagonistic for me. Secondly, being the first to jump on anyone is a bit antagonistic for me. Thirdly, jumping on someone for what they did in a previous game (were quiet) is a bit too antagonsitic for me.

And fourth, it's just not in character for me to vote for anyone else :)

Vote Barkeep


-Anxiety

[Lathum]

I'm off to work now. I hope we get lucky!!

[path12]

Cronin, I don't think I see what you are seeing.

I went back to double-check the sequence of votes to that post and everything checked out. I'm happy to talk through this with you if you think you have sniffed out a human, though.

I just went back through also and don't see anything that pings my radar. Interested to hear about what Cronin's thinking if he sees something though.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm off to work now. I hope we get lucky!!


I am going out on a date tonight.


-Anxiety

[hoopsguy]

Tyrith - Barkeep (158), Path (160)
Blade - Qwik (161), mckerney (176), cronin (188)
Ardent - Blade (162)
Dubb - Saldana (167)
mckerney - Lathum (168)
Tanglewood - Schmidty (209), Hoopsguy (213)
Barkeep - Anxiety (219)

No votes: AlanT (won't be here today), Ardent (flying to Chicago today), Tyrith, Dubb, Tanglewood

[st.cronin]

Well, for now I'll stay on Blade, although since nobody else has seen what I saw, it's possible Blade is innocent. I'm staying on him mostly because I disapprove of his game.

[Blade6119]

Well, for now I'll stay on Blade, although since nobody else has seen what I saw, it's possible Blade is innocent. I'm staying on him mostly because I disapprove of his game.
What game is that?

[Blade6119]

If its being quiet, while i have been by my standards id like to be more so. But so far, i found this funny:
Who Posted?
Total Posts: 225
User Name Posts
hoopsguy 27
Blade6119 26
st.cronin 25
SirFozzie 23
Schmidty 18
Anxiety 18
path12 14
saldana 13
ardent enthusiast 10
Qwikshot 10
Lathum 10
Barkeep49 6
Tyrith 5
mckerney 4
Alan T 4
SnDvls 4
dubb93 2
tanglewood 2
Fouts 2
KWhit 1
Swaggs 1
-----------------------------------------

You want to talk about not helping cronin, look down at the bottom with dubb, tangle, and the others(a few arent playing, but i think all above tangle(including him) are

[st.cronin]

What game is that?

The quiet, cryptic game.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, if you think you have a smoking gun on Blade I would love to hear it. It is entirely possible that you have seen something that others are missing.

About the only time I hold back information on players (acting as part of the majority group) is when I'm trying to protect a "role" player. Maybe a distant 2nd would be having caught a mistake that another one of the opposing forces is likely to repeat later.

If you think Blade is part of the minority group we need to kill I don't see any downside to bringing your theory out in the open for discussion.

[Blade6119]

The quiet, cryptic game.
Then why vote for me over tangle, dubb, sndvls, alan, or mckerney. All have 4 or less posts, i have 28 with this post. This is the exact thing i find so funny, how people can call me out and utterly ignore the others. And dont give me well blade, your usually talkative. So is dubb, alan, and even barkeep(who has 6)...

Hoopsguy, this is exactly what i was testing...if it was the quiet play styles or just certain players that caused the votes...i guess were figuring out its the latter

[st.cronin]

Cronin, if you think you have a smoking gun on Blade I would love to hear it. It is entirely possible that you have seen something that others are missing.

About the only time I hold back information on players (acting as part of the majority group) is when I'm trying to protect a "role" player. Maybe a distant 2nd would be having caught a mistake that another one of the opposing forces is likely to repeat later.

If you think Blade is part of the minority group we need to kill I don't see any downside to bringing your theory out in the open for discussion.

Both of those ideas are somewhat at work here. Plus, I don't really have a "smoking gun," just something which I had assumed, but which is most likely just Foz messing with my mind. I'll leave my vote there, although I'll be active most of the day. If Foz's x-com game is any indication, we're likely to have a couple of reveals today.

[hoopsguy]

Fair enough. And there were plenty of late afternoon reveals in Fozzie's game, but they didn't start on Day 1.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm about to take off. Remember, if you vote for Blade, then you'll have to hear for a while about how he changed strategy and people still voted for him. I'm not voting for Baldy. At least not today :)


-Anxiety

[Schmidty]

I'm about to take off. Remember, if you vote for Blade, then you'll have to hear for a while about how he changed strategy and people still voted for him. I'm not voting for Baldy. At least not today :)


-Anxiety

Baldy? I didn't know that Michael Chiklis was one of our players.

[Tyrith]

Blade draws enough attention normally that I don't think he'd be changing his gameplan if he were a bad person (which I will use to refer to the wizard's team, for lack of clear alternatives). He draws so much heat normally that it's just poking an agitated tiger, and too likely to get him lynched.

St.cronin's aggressiveness towards blade is somewhat suspicious because it plays right into what I just described above, but if he really were a bad guy, right now the votes are set up for him to press a little bit more before retreating like he has, so I'm going to buy into his logic for now.

Seeing that I think blade is innocent and I'm not voting for myself, I'm going to go the only other available route.

VOTE TANGLEWOOD

[SirFozzie]

Remember. Voting will be tabulated at 10 PM :)

[Tyrith]

OOC, stupid question, but that's 10 PM CST, right?

[SirFozzie]

Points Tyrith to the Title, 10 PM EDT (or.. 3 1/2 hours from now.)

[saldana]

damnit, we better not end up with a stupid tie today, that dicked us up a ton last game.

unvote dubb
vote tanglewood

this may end up screwing me in the future, but i'm not ready to cut ties with the newly sensitive and empathing Blade ;), which basically makes it a coin flip between tangle and tyrith....just so we dont have a worthless tie

[Tyrith]

Okay, like I said, stupid question. :P

[SirFozzie]

It's ok, there's no stupid questions only stupid peo.. er.. nevermind ;)

(just kidding)

[saldana]

one question i would like an answer to though blade, if you dont mind, why wouldnt you change your vote n self preservation? i can see what you are trying to do/prove, but that just seems defeatist, and for someone that plays this game as well as you do, i have to question whether someone that will just lay down and die is someone i want on my team. my vote stays on tangle for now, but if this is your new strategy to stop pissing people off, like i said before, your value has dropped considerably. :(

[hoopsguy]

Tyrith - Barkeep (158), Path (160)
Blade - Qwik (161), mckerney (176), cronin (188)
Ardent - Blade (162)
mckerney - Lathum (168)
Tanglewood - Schmidty (209), Hoopsguy (213), Tyrith (234), Saldana (238)
Barkeep - Anxiety (219)


No votes: AlanT (out for day), Ardent (hasn't shown up today, in transit), Dubb, Tanglewood

[st.cronin]

Tyrith - Barkeep (158), Path (160)
Blade - Qwik (161), mckerney (176), cronin (188)
Ardent - Blade (162)
mckerney - Lathum (168)
Tanglewood - Schmidty (209), Hoopsguy (213), Tyrith (234), Saldana (238)
Barkeep - Anxiety (219)


No votes: AlanT (out for day), Ardent (hasn't shown up today, in transit), Dubb, Tanglewood

Assuming Tangle votes for Blade out of self-preservation, Saldana will have made it a tie. Interesting to see what dubb does. I have a feeling we'll see some late shenanigans.

[saldana]

Assuming Tangle votes for Blade out of self-preservation, Saldana will have made it a tie. Interesting to see what dubb does. I have a feeling we'll see some late shenanigans.
i didnt realize tangle hadnt voted yet, but if that happens,i will put my vote back in its traditional day one spot, and that will break the tie

[st.cronin]

i didnt realize tangle hadnt voted yet, but if that happens,i will put my vote back in its traditional day one spot, and that will break the tie

What is your traditional day one spot?

[hoopsguy]

Ardent could make an appearance as well - he didn't say he was out for the duration. But I don't think we can count on it, since I haven't seen him in the thread all afternoon.

[saldana]

What is your traditional day one spot?

dubb....always dubb.....its just one of those long time rivalry things, and solves the problem of picking someone randomly on day one.

[Schmidty]

Damnit, if tanglewood isn't a human, I'm going to be pissed. My vote was a simple joke-vote since there's nothing to go on on day 1. If he's a wolf and people accuse me of starting a band-wagon, I will stick my foot so far up their ass, they'll taste shoe leather.

[hoopsguy]

I don't know why I let you talk me into it, Schmidty. I'm always tricked into jumping on your bandwagons. Dammit, I hate this game.


:D

Day 1 sucks. I hope we get lucky here but I think that there will be more venom for the late voters who moved from one to the other in a tight race than the guy who cast the first vote (in the event of a bad lynch). If it makes you better, I listed Tanglewood in the post that got you going over the weekend.

[saldana]

Damnit, if tanglewood isn't a human, I'm going to be pissed. My vote was a simple joke-vote since there's nothing to go on on day 1. If he's a wolf and people accuse me of starting a band-wagon, I will stick my foot so far up their ass, they'll taste shoe leather.


if you didnt want to be accused of it, then why did you start one. ;)

dont worry, i am sure if he ends up good, i will be the one that takes the heat for jumping around all day...just see hoops post in between yours and mine...i just want to avoid a worthless tie, but it will end up looking shitty for me.