Werewolf XXVIII: Mad Wizard and the Wolves (Game over Pg45)

[Coffee Warlord]

Yes, I am nice and drunk. AND DEAD! DEAD!

DEAD!

DEAD!

[Alan T]

Does that make you Dead drunk??? :)

[Coffee Warlord]

Does that make you Dead drunk??? :)

Ya know, it does. :)

In all honesty, I should be pissed right now, but I had a good time this evening, so whatever. Kick some ass kids.

[SackAttack]

Wow.

Coffee, I'm sorry. I feel bad because I wasn't around to see what was going on, and I honestly don't know what that would have done for my vote. Possibly would have pulled it off of you so that we could force Alan's hand on his supposed vote-switching, but after seeing how late Schmidty came in, I don't know if I would have reacted fast enough.

I thought I was okay leaving my vote where it was because, yeah, I did wonder if you were the wizard, but I didn't think things were going to swing your way so radically or so quickly.

Not sure where this leaves us now. I'm gonna have to sleep on this.

[SirFozzie]

You wake up in the morning, and sadly, the one person for the wolves who knew what was happening is no longer with you. st cronin has been blasted, and now you are adrift in the sea of fate.

Votes are due by 10 PM, Day 6.

[Barkeep49]

No surprise there. Schmidty can you tell us anything more now that our presumed pack alpha has been blown to bits?

[Alan T]

Well, I guess that wasn't a suprise to anyone.

Ok to start today, here are my lists:

Possible Wizard/Henchmen -

4. AlanT
6. Saldana
7. Lathum
11 Tyrith
12.Schmidty

Possible Wizard only -

14.Hoopsguy
10. Sack Attack
2.Barkeep49

I'm not sure exactly why Cronin went after Coffee the way he did, but I think we do not need to do that again today. I think we have numbers on our side and we need to start ruling out people with the highest percentage of being bad (ie: was not confirmed to not be the wizard.) So lets narrow down that list a little more:

4. AlanT
6. Saldana
7. Lathum
11 Tyrith
12.Schmidty


Out of that list, I am not sure if it is safe to go on feels or not, since as we saw last night feels ended up lynching Coffee. What I do think we need to do is try to find a way where the following is possible:

1) We do not make it easy for the wizards to knock off one of our more trusted three people.
2) We need to make it where voting patterns are important, we cant make it easy for the bad guys by just blindly all going after one person.
3) We need to find a way to validate more people if possible.

That leads me to wondering if anyone else has a backup on Cronin's ability, or if we blindly are going to be going into the deadline not knowing what the vote is based on. I also wonder if the wizard knows what the vote will be, something to watch for perhaps are the people racing to be first or last voters perhaps or shaping the vote in a way that after the deadline helps them.

Thoughts on how we should proceed with today?

[hoopsguy]

My first thought is to see if anyone has new information to work with - if someone knows how the vote will work that would be a good start.

Schmidty, if you have some change in status today that would be good information as well.

Lathum, I think we are late enough in the game that having you come forward with some information makes sense. Everyone else remaining has presented some kind of role reveal. The bad guys have the advantage of knowing which ones are real and which ones they made up.

I'm not going to say a word about who I protected last night because I don't want to endanger that person tonight ... same thought process as I used earlier in the game. But I believe I'll have enough flexibility in my choices tonight to protect one of our bigger assets (whoever that person may be).

[Barkeep49]

Alan saldana belongs on your wizard only list and not really at that as I know I'm not the wizard and we have matching roles, something we both agree on, meaning it's either we are both evil or are both vanilla villagers.

[Alan T]

Alan saldana belongs on your wizard only list and not really at that as I know I'm not the wizard and we have matching roles, something we both agree on, meaning it's either we are both evil or are both vanilla villagers.


Sorry if I wasn't clear with that list. I was just trying to present the two groups of people based on who Cronin -knew- was not the wizard vs who he didn't sniff.

He obviously felt very strongly about Lathum being trusted even though he hadn't scanned him for instance, so I don't necessarily think any play involving Lathum is a smart one.

I was simply trying to put together a list to start working on without any trusts involved at all. You say you trust Saldana, but arguably you could also be the wizard and he a henchman. Cronin said Sackattack isnt a henchman, but he could be the wizard still and doesn't have much trust due to his late entry in the game. Despite that, I still think today going after Saldana would be a better play than Sack would trust lists aside.

Personally, I would argue going after none of them and would rather us focus still on the same people I have been saying the last several days. I think we were on the right track when I was pushing Anxiety, Schmidty and Tyrith. According to Schmidty, he should be given Cronin's ability to tell us what the vote is, so he should be a pretty simple one to rule out today. I think that leaves Tyrith and me. Tyrith left us with a role that is impossible to verify and if we lose, its not a huge deal. I have a role that can be verified when the vote system is right, but is not a huge deal to lose. Could be useful at the right time, but not a game breaker.

I honestly don't want to die today, this is the furthest into a WW game i have gone, and would like to live to see us win one for once, but I also want to try to do whats best for the team here. I think whats best for us is to try to figure a way to find the info we are missing from those who have been hiding things, and to start ruling people out with the lowest risk, highest gain involved.

[Alan T]

Ok my last post was kind of rambling.. I guess in a nutshell what i was getting at, is I think today and for the next few days its best for us to target going for lowest risk/highest reward voting. I can understand Cronin's desire to try to out the wizard on a gut feel on what looked like his last day, but I think our smart plays now for a while is to eliminate the people who have the highest chance of being bad.

That means working down the list of people that Cronin did not sniff. I think working for the least trusted of the possible henchmen/wizards to most trusted is best. We should be able to nab the henchman hopefully in that list, and then have a 5 to 1 or 6 to 1 odds against the wizard alone at that time.

Hopefully that is less confusing to read :)

[Barkeep49]

I would agree that working down the list. Right now I am looking at you, tyrith and schmidty. I want to hear more for schmidty today about his role. Of the three candidates I am least wary of tyrith. You and schmidty are close, but I suppose schmidty is the most suspicous although I think he can do the best to alleveate my concern.

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep + Saldana - anything from last night that gives you information into how the voting will work today?

Question goes out to anyone, but those are the two guys who just maybe (based on reveals up to this point) would have something.

[Barkeep49]

No info. And honestly? I don't think we will ever have any kind of special effect. I think we are as plain as yogurt.

[Alan T]

What people say their roles are (confirmed or not)

2.Barkeep49 - Ordinary wolf, vote could be important?
4. AlanT - Tiebreaker
6. Saldana - Said vote could be important like barkeep. Said there was a second part to his role that has not been stated yet.
7. Lathum - Unknown
10. Sack Attack - Unknown
11 Tyrith - Blade's brother
12.Schmidty - Pack Beta
14.Hoopsguy - Bodyguard

So i think we need more information from Saldana, Lathum, Sackattack today. I think Schmidty should be able to play a big role today too.

[hoopsguy]

With the information we have right now, I'm waiting to hear from Schmidty and Lathum before casting a vote.

It feels like the votes are going to be pretty meaningless today if we have no way to determine the key. I'm having a hard time believing that there is no one capable of supplying this information today - what if Cronin had died before we had devoured a henchman (like on Day 1)? I'm guessing SirFozzie has not left us entirely high and dry here ...

[hoopsguy]

Dola - would add SackAttack here as well, although he has a little more latitude (for now) than the other two because according to Lathum he could not be a henchman.

[Barkeep49]

I agree that we're not going to be left high and dry. Which is why schmidty as the "beta" seems like the one who needs to come through for us.

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, what clears Lathum in your mind - or at least keeps him off the first tier of people to review today? Cronin's late-night explanation didn't entirely do it for me. He wasn't scanned.

I've given him a lot of room to operate this game working under some assumptions for his role, but I've started to re-evaluate those assumptions over the last 24 hours.

[Barkeep49]

You're right there's nothing to objectively keep him off the most suspected list.

[saldana]

i dont think we need to go after schmidty today, as he will verify himself for us at the end of the day. if he is the beta, which would now make him the alpha, then he will know the voting rule today. if he gives a rule, and that is not what the rule ends up being, we will know he is full of shit, and we can eat him tomorrow will apologies to CW.

with that, i really dont like Alan's posts this morning, he seems very anxious to direct the vote today, and is giving out reasons for everyone but himself (which is exactly what he has done in the past when he has been a bad guy). When hoops makes his lists, he always includes himself to an extent, even when he is a bad guy.

Alan has not been verified in any way by anyone, and the role of tiebreaker is a bit of a duplicate if the pack alpha is able to bust a tie as a one time power...seems a little redundant to have the same role twice in a game this small.

vote alant

[st.cronin]

I'm actually glad to be out of this game. It was way too hard. Good luck, fellows.

[Alan T]

i dont think we need to go after schmidty today, as he will verify himself for us at the end of the day. if he is the beta, which would now make him the alpha, then he will know the voting rule today. if he gives a rule, and that is not what the rule ends up being, we will know he is full of shit, and we can eat him tomorrow will apologies to CW.

with that, i really dont like Alan's posts this morning, he seems very anxious to direct the vote today, and is giving out reasons for everyone but himself (which is exactly what he has done in the past when he has been a bad guy). When hoops makes his lists, he always includes himself to an extent, even when he is a bad guy.

Alan has not been verified in any way by anyone, and the role of tiebreaker is a bit of a duplicate if the pack alpha is able to bust a tie as a one time power...seems a little redundant to have the same role twice in a game this small.

vote alant


I am not sure what you mean by trying to direct the votes this morning.. I'm doing the same thing I do every day, every WW game that I play. Try to give my analysis of things. Considering I have already said that I think the best play right now would probably be a run off between Tyrith and myself I have a hard time believing that you read my entire posts. :)

[Alan T]

Dola, and actually I believe there are three players with the ability to break the tie. If I remember right the wizard does too. However the difference is that my tiebreaker role is passive where it just happens, there's is not.

I think tiebreaker is moot right now anyways, its just a 1/6 chance that it could happen if Cronin was right about how the vote works, and even then we have to end in a tie. I am fully willing to prove I can break ties to you all, but right now I don't even think that is the issue. I think its more a case of us trying to rule out the biggest risks/least rewards and like I said a few times this morning, I am definitly high up on that list.

Today my vote is: VOTE TYRITH once again. Just like yesterday, if he is a wolf, we don't lose anything by it. He is in zero circles of trust, and we don't lose a role. On the plus side he has the possibility of being the henchman or the wizard, and has been on my highest suspect lists for most of the game.

[Schmidty]

I just logged on, and as of yet, have not recieved a PM about my role changing. I don't know if that means that Cronin wasn't the Alpha, or that SF just hasn't notified me yet.

I just sent him a PM, so hopefully I'll know soon.

[Alan T]

Hmm.. Cronin gave at least 95% if not 100% disclosure on his role before he died. I don't see anywhere that he referred to himself as the pack alpha. Maybe one of the remaining wolves is actually the pack alpha, and Cronin was simply just the seer.

I think if Cronin had been pack alpha, he would have actually referred to himself as such by at least yesterday.

[Schmidty]

Foz just got back to me via PM, and although I'm obviously not allowed to quote him, my role hasn't changed.

To me, this means that Cronin was NOT the Alpha, and that the Alpha is still alive (or else I would have been notified).

[saldana]

Foz just got back to me via PM, and although I'm obviously not allowed to quote him, my role hasn't changed.

To me, this means that Cronin was NOT the Alpha, and that the Alpha is still alive (or else I would have been notified).

or it means that you are not the beta and jerked all of us off yesterday

[Schmidty]

or it means that you are not the beta and jerked all of us off yesterday

Nope.

Here is proof that Cronin was NOT the Alpha:

Post #364:

I am not the, or a, seer. I am the Lawgiver, which means that I have some insight into how the rules about breaking ties fluctuate - and they DO fluctuate. Yesterday I got confused about whether that was a pm, or a rule, and that's why I was after Blade - but anyway, that was a bad play on my part, and now I've revealed my role, for better or worse. I had an insight last night (not a foz pm, a real insight) that hoops was playing us. He fingered three suspects, and wanted us all to start talking strategy DURING NIGHT 0! When the henchmen were, theoretically, still thinking about who to either convert or scan. And Blade is spot on about hoops trying to get people to give up roles - I've seen him do that before as a badguy. He smells fishy, boys.

I tentatively aligned myself with him yesterday just as a way of getting the game going. This is the same theory I have seen others use when they try to put pressure on other players, just to see what will happen.

It's possible I'm way off base, here.

He specifically capitalizes "Lawgiver" as if it is his specific role. He does not say anything about being the Alpha.

[Schmidty]

Since we can a full victory if the Alpha lives, even if I die, I will tell you guys the specifics of my role.

As I have said, my specific role is Pack Beta. If the Alpha is killed, I assume all powers and abilities that he has. Essencially I become the new Alpha. Until then, I do not know who the Alpha is, and I do not specifically know what his powers are.

There you go.

[Alan T]

I tend to believe Schmidty here in that Cronin wasn't the pack alpha. Whether or not you believe Schmidty's story about being the beta is another thing. But I think its fairly safe to say Cronin was not the boss wolf.

[saldana]

the use of the name Lawgiver isnt quite enough for me, considering the other abilities cronin had were not consistant with that being his role....the ability to sniff out the henchmen for instance, has nothing to do with knowing the tiebreaker rules...any explanation for that....imo, cronin made up the Lawgiver role to try and cover that he was the alpha for a day or two so he didnt get whacked at night, but unless the pack leader is entirely powerless, then we would have heard something from him by now.

[saldana]

dola, kind of amusing to me at this point that my top two suspects are defending one another (or at least alan is backing schmidty's plays, even before he makes them in the case of saying cronin wasnt the alpha)

[Schmidty]

I don't know what to tell you guys.

I gave you the truth like you asked. What else can I do?

[Alan T]

Saldana after Cronin gave a full disclosure of his role, and pretty much was gurantueed next to die, and schmidty disclosed his supposed role yesterday, don't you think one of Cronin's last words would have been... I was pack alpha, see if Schmidty's story sticks up tommorrow?

I am not quite sure what you are up to today Sal, but you seem to be more aggresive than analytical, and I don't quite see the reasoning for it. I wasn't attacking you for trying to kill off coffee yesterday, but I do think it was a bad play, have given my reasons and why I think the best plays today are Tyrith or myself. If that makes me suspicious in your books, then go for it.

[hoopsguy]

At this point I'm eager to hear what Lathum has to say. I don't buy that "Lawgiver" was the official name of Cronin's role, although I don't 100% accept that it was "Alpha" either.

[Schmidty]

At this point I'm eager to hear what Lathum has to say. I don't buy that "Lawgiver" was the official name of Cronin's role, although I don't 100% accept that it was "Alpha" either.

Why would he capitalize it? It makes no sense to NOT believe that the official name was Lawgiver.

[saldana]

Saldana after Cronin gave a full disclosure of his role, and pretty much was gurantueed next to die, and schmidty disclosed his supposed role yesterday, don't you think one of Cronin's last words would have been... I was pack alpha, see if Schmidty's story sticks up tommorrow?

I am not quite sure what you are up to today Sal, but you seem to be more aggresive than analytical, and I don't quite see the reasoning for it. I wasn't attacking you for trying to kill off coffee yesterday, but I do think it was a bad play, have given my reasons and why I think the best plays today are Tyrith or myself. If that makes me suspicious in your books, then go for it.

i agree with you that the best plays are yourself or tyrith, but schmidty has made his way back onto my list...his reveal is similar to yours, totally unverified. as far as my play style becoming more agressive today than it was earlier in the game, if you go back to games where i have lived long enough, i always do this...i do alot of observing early and then become more action oriented late....i'll forgive you for not noticing this, since it is often difficult to follow along in games where you have been dead for 3 days ;)

[Alan T]

And in fact, here is my current list of risk/reward ratio and who I think the best to worst lynch candidates are in as objective a manner I can provide:

11 Tyrith - no confirmed trust, could be wizard or henchman, no big deal if role is lost.
4. AlanT - no confirmed trust, could be wizard or henchman, role is minor and only matters in certain circumstances.
6. Saldana - trust from Barkeep & Coffee, could be wizard or henchman, no big deal if role is lost.
12.Schmidty - no confirmed trust, could be wizard or henchman, Role sounds fairly middle importance. Could be important if true and alpha dies.
7. Lathum - Highly trusted by cronin, could be wizard or henchman, no declared role lost if dies.
10. Sack Attack - confirmed trust from cronin. Could only be wizard. No declared role lost if dies.
2.Barkeep49 - trust from cronin, saldana and coffee. Could only be wizard. No role lost if dies.
14.Hoopsguy - trust from cronin, could only be wizard. Big role lost if dies.

So this is my reasoning for who I say to go after today. This is probably all I'll try to give on my opinions of today's decision. if you all choose to just go on your gut again today and pick someone randomly, then I feel I have done my best to make this an educated process. If anyone wants to try to set up a tie for me to prove my role if that voting condition exists, I am fine with that as long as its not involving someone of greater risk.

Saldana seems to feel I am guilty, so I'm not going to try to convince him otherwise. i don't have anything else to go on other than :

My actions have been consistant the entire game.
I have given reasons for why I changed my opinions of people as they changed.
I have not been right about every one of my votes, but I feel I have done as much as anyone to try to help us win.

[saldana]

Why would he capitalize it? It makes no sense to NOT believe that the official name was Lawgiver.

except that it doesnt match up with what his role actually did in its entirety. sure the Lawgiver makes perfect sense for the delivering the new rules, but what part of that covers his partial seer abilities. whereas being the pack alpha, being able to determine who is part of the pack and who isnt makes 100% logical sense.

unvote alant
vote schmidty

since you avoided that point the first time, you may now have my vote.

[Schmidty]

i agree with you that the best plays are yourself or tyrith, but schmidty has made his way back onto my list...his reveal is similar to yours, totally unverified. as far as my play style becoming more agressive today than it was earlier in the game, if you go back to games where i have lived long enough, i always do this...i do alot of observing early and then become more action oriented late....i'll forgive you for not noticing this, since it is often difficult to follow along in games where you have been dead for 3 days ;)

You've got to be fucking kidding me. I give you exactly what you want (the truth), and yet I even MORE suspicious now? It looks to me like you're just fishing for info by dangling your "trust" out there.

Vote saldana

[Alan T]

i agree with you that the best plays are yourself or tyrith, but schmidty has made his way back onto my list...his reveal is similar to yours, totally unverified. as far as my play style becoming more agressive today than it was earlier in the game, if you go back to games where i have lived long enough, i always do this...i do alot of observing early and then become more action oriented late....i'll forgive you for not noticing this, since it is often difficult to follow along in games where you have been dead for 3 days ;)


Its ok, I dont fully remember people's play style from game to game so you are right all I notice is today you have done what i felt was try to trap me in a shouting match or such (perhaps thinking i am bad trying to draw me into a trap or who knows what). As far as playing style goes, I play pretty much every game the same. Its the reason why I usually get lynched by my own side by day 3. lol :) I am honestly just trying to put as much data out there for people to make educated decisions on is all. I won't take it personally if people feel they should vote for me, however I won't vote for myself because 1) I am a wolf and 2) I think there is a better choice out there. I just don't want today to be some runaway where everyone finds it easy to just lump all their votes on one person which causes it virtually impossible to learn anything from the vote.

Without the seer in the game now, all we have to go on are people's votes. I just don't want to make the last 8 days a guessing game every day especially with these crazy voting rules from foz.

[Schmidty]

It looks to me like you're just fishing for info by dangling your "trust" out there.

The more I think about it, that is exactly what's happening.

He acts like he trusts me yesterday, and then I role reveal, explain my role and suddenly he distrusts me.

I am quite convinced that he's a henchman, and I hope others will look closely at him.

[Alan T]

11 Tyrith - no confirmed trust, could be wizard or henchman, no big deal if role is lost.
4. AlanT - no confirmed trust, could be wizard or henchman, role is minor and only matters in certain circumstances.
6. Saldana - trust from Barkeep & Coffee, could be wizard or henchman, no big deal if role is lost.
12.Schmidty - no confirmed trust, could be wizard or henchman, Role sounds fairly middle importance. Could be important if true and alpha dies.
7. Lathum - Highly trusted by cronin, could be wizard or henchman, no declared role lost if dies.
10. Sack Attack - confirmed trust from cronin. Could only be wizard. No declared role lost if dies.
2.Barkeep49 - trust from cronin, saldana and coffee. Could only be wizard. No role lost if dies.
14.Hoopsguy - trust from cronin, could only be wizard. Big role lost if dies.



Sorry I didnt update my list entirely from yesterday that I keep in notepad. For Hoops, I didn't remove the could only be wizard part. When I asked Cronin if he could verify Hoops's story about the protection and he did, that confirmed for me that he is neither the wizard nor the henchman. In my notes, Hoops is the only confirmed wolf entirely that we have currently.

[saldana]

The more I think about it, that is exactly what's happening.

He acts like he trusts me yesterday, and then I role reveal, explain my role and suddenly he distrusts me.

I am quite convinced that he's a henchman, and I hope others will look closely at him.

if i am a henchman, that means that so is barkeep, who was vouched for by cronin, and CW, who is proven to be a good guy, and vouched for by cronin. not alot of sense in that statement

[saldana]

dola, you made a reveal that is completely unverifyable, and you have gone this entire game completely un-supported by any other player, you are as good a suspect as any.

[Schmidty]

if i am a henchman, that means that so is barkeep, who was vouched for by cronin, and CW, who is proven to be a good guy, and vouched for by cronin. not alot of sense in that statement

I just don't understand why you would stick up for me a bit prior to today, and then as soon as I give you everything I know, you turn on me?

That doesn't make any sense either, and actually screams henchman.

The only thing I can think of that can defend you, is the fact that you were the first to open up on me, and I'm not sure that a bad guy would put himself out there like that.

[saldana]

I just don't understand why you would stick up for me a bit prior to today, and then as soon as I give you everything I know, you turn on me?

That doesn't make any sense either, and actually screams henchman.

The only thing I can think of that can defend you, is the fact that you were the first to open up on me, and I'm not sure that a bad guy would put himself out there like that.


when did i stick up for you? this is the 3rd time i have voted for you. the only reason i took my vote off you yesterday was because hoops, lathum and cronin both thought coffee was a better option (with which i didnt have a problem with, as he was close to the top of my wizard list).

[Lathum]

OK, I am 99% positive on schmidty being a good guy. If you all recall I was 99% sure on blade and that was spot on so you will have to trust me.

Monster theory coming.

[Lathum]

dola-post 649 was where i vouched for blade

[Lathum]

A huge light engulfed the sky last night. I thought at first that the wizard was trying to destroy the whole village, but the light seems to be focused on me. I, being the honorable wolf i am, accept my fate and resign to dying properly with my honor intact. Suddenly though, i notice the light seeks out another wolf besides myself as well. Just as the lightning is about to destroy me, it strikes the other wolf. When this happens, there is a howling wind in which the other wolf communicates a message to the wizard about saving his pack from the wizard. With this, the lightning and thunder stops. As it all returns to normal, i hear the other wolf cry out (this is all paraphrasing, so i cant say the exact quote and all) how he will find the wizard, and he shall have his heartsblood run the ground. Mentioned in this second calling also was that the wizard was a traitor to the pack.


OK, this is blade paraphrasing the night he was attatcked and not killed. Hoops claims he did not protect blade that night. My theory is that blades brother tyrith tried to convert him and failed for some reason. If you read the whole post it clearly states that who ever this other wolf was yelled at whoever attatcked blade was a traitor and the message also mentions heartsblood. Add 2 and 2 and you get blood traitor.

That being said

VOTE TYRITH

[Lathum]

dola post 636 is where blade recaped what happened the night he was attatcked

[st.cronin]

dola-post 649 was where i vouched for blade

Wow, that is a monster theory!

Sorry, I'll go back to being dead now.

[Lathum]

it sure got quiet around here, was it something I said?

[Blade6119]

it sure got quiet around here, was it something I said?
Cronin and I are dead...hoops has no one to talk to now, hence the silence :)

2/3 of the trifecta of talk are dead. may we rest in peace

[Alan T]

I was trying to start up conversation and got attacked for it.

I'm willing to talk about stuff, but someone else has to drive the conversation now. I've said what I thought about everyone and everything. I don't really have much else to open up on left. I'm fully interested in seeing other people's thoughts or what they think about my strategy for our votes.

[Lathum]

well what is your opinion of my theory

[Alan T]

I think I said that I felt the traitor line might be in reference to Tyrith (I think yesterday). I think it is a viable theory and I've been after Tyrith a few days now. I think its as good of a reach as anything else out right now, and currently have my vote on Tyrith. I think I'm right with you on it.

[Tyrith]

I think everyone has been putting too much emphasis on the traitor line and its reference to me. I'm still fairly convinced it just meant that the wizard isn't a human and is a wolf, and will appear as such, but it doesn't have to be me. Furthermore, all the talk that blade's incident was a conversion attempt seems wrong to me. The flash of lightning had been being used to barbeque people, not convert them. Furthermore, if the wizard has the ability to blend in among us, run away, and possibly escape death, giving them three bad guys, all the wizard powers, and a convert seems excessive.

Lathum is losing trust because throwing everything on me as being the traitor seems sloppy and convinent at best. Blade himself was convinced I was good _after_ that incident. Furthermore, lathum has yet to come forward with any role information, which at this late stage seems odd.

Right now it's probably 6-2. While thinking like Alan's is okay in the early game, we can't afford to keep wasting lynches. We have to get a bad guy in the next two days or we're in deep trouble.

I don't believe cronin was the alpha because of his title, because the powers would have passed to someone, and because putting most of the important powers in the game on person would be a bad game mechanic due to the increases in variance.

[Lathum]

thats not much of an argument

[SackAttack]

I think everyone has been putting too much emphasis on the traitor line and its reference to me. I'm still fairly convinced it just meant that the wizard isn't a human and is a wolf, and will appear as such, but it doesn't have to be me. Furthermore, all the talk that blade's incident was a conversion attempt seems wrong to me. The flash of lightning had been being used to barbeque people, not convert them. Furthermore, if the wizard has the ability to blend in among us, run away, and possibly escape death, giving them three bad guys, all the wizard powers, and a convert seems excessive.

I buy that. I mean, Fozzie is the devil, but I think given what we know, a conversion ability would seriously stack the deck against us. It's been present in past games, but in past games, the chief bad guy hasn't been able to run away.

Now, as to the traitor bit, I don't know.

Lathum's bolded quote refers specifically to the wizard; the inductive leap necessary to say that Tyrith must be the wizard because he was Blade's brother and there's a traitor seems a little steep to me.

I gotta think about this some.

[hoopsguy]

I've been slammed at the office today but will be home in another hour or two and looking forward to moving this along. But yeah, has been a very quiet day as of late.

Lathum, I think I put out the Tyrith = traitor theory last Friday. So I'm not considering it a monster theory at this point.

I would love to know why you trust Schmidty, if you feel like you can give that info out. I'm inclined to trust him at least one more day, but I'm not sure my reasons match yours .. thus the question.

[Barkeep49]

Ok based on available info, and as I have had no WW time today, which will not be as true Thursday and Friday, I have to go with something right now. And the somethign right now? Tyrith. Someone is a traitor. Who better then Blade's brother? Where I was once not convinced now I am.

Vote Tyrith

[Coffee Warlord]

I think SkyDog is the guilty one.

[Barkeep49]

Also if you all kill saldana tonight I will be very sad. Schmidty: TWO dead good guys have vouched for me. I vouch for saldana. That oughta be enough.

[Barkeep49]

Oh and one of those dead good guys vouched for saldana as well.

[Barkeep49]

Just to make this clear: I'm out until after lynch.

[Tyrith]

I would really, really love some answers out of lathum. Now.

[Lathum]

for now I am still playing it close to the vest.

[Tyrith]

Close to the vest in WW usually means bullshit.

VOTE LATHUM

[hoopsguy]

Cronin dies, presumed by many as the alpha.
Schmidty claims to be the beta yesterday, still the beta today.
Lathum yesterday claims he got the right info from Schmidty, vouches for him today.

Feel free to jump in and correct any of the statements above. But with these in mind, I'm associating these two as a pair going forward. Just as I'm associating Saldana and Barkeep as a pair, and have been (more or less) for the last few days.

AlanT and Tyrith remain the guys that are unlinked at this point.

Sack - not henchman, but have heard nothing from him about his role and it doesn't seem to be a topic of conversation like Lathum's is today or Schmidty's was yesterday. Yes, he has been cleared by Cronin but I would still like a better understanding where he fits in the overall scheme of things.

Am I missing anyone here? If the humans did start with four (or somehow managed to add another player) then we are potentially at the end game stage now. I'm hoping that people don't hold back too much information at this stage, trying to be cute but hurting our ability to flush out the humans.

[Lathum]

isn't this your second game? How would you know what playing close to the vest means?

[Lathum]

dola-
OOG, sorry tyrith, that was uncalled for.

[SackAttack]

Sack - not henchman, but have heard nothing from him about his role and it doesn't seem to be a topic of conversation like Lathum's is today or Schmidty's was yesterday. Yes, he has been cleared by Cronin but I would still like a better understanding where he fits in the overall scheme of things.

I haven't said anything about it because there's nothing to say. I'm not special like you guys are. Just a wolf. :(

[Alan T]

yeah, that was a bit rough Lathum :) I do agree with Tyrith that at this point holding close to the vest I think has a law of diminishing returns. This morning I wanted to hear more from Schmidty, Saldana, you and Sackattack.
I have no idea what your role or Sack's role are. Saldana hinted at another part of his role but won't say anything about it. Schmidty is the only one who sounds like he has spilt his beans (whether you believe him or not).

I guess I will say I trust you more than Tyrith, but its based on Cronin's vouching based on who knows what and the fact that you have gone after alot of the same guys I have been pushing for each day with similar reason that is sound to me. However that only gets you so far.. look at me today, Ive done everything i can for our team including pushing for people to vote Anxiety.. but it only takes me so far. Unfortunatly for me I am likely to be lynched in the next day or three only because the seer did not scan me and I have a story that can not be vouched by anyone.

[Tyrith]

Right now we just need to know everything. We're either going to win or lose the game in the next two days. The way the vote is going right now, best case scenario for Day Seven is 5-2 good guys, assuming hoops gets lucky on the block tonight. Otherwise, it's 4-2 or, worst case, a loss tonight. There's no more time to hold back the cards.

[Alan T]

Dola, heading home. will be back later some point tonight.

[Lathum]

I don't disagree that the more information about peoples roles the better off we are, but the flip side of that is the bad guys will also know our roles and it gives them a huge advantage when determining night kills.

[Tyrith]

This is how the game is shaping up.

CLEARED BY CRONIN

Hoops -- 99.999 percent that he's good.
Barkeep -- With the CW fiasco, almost certainly good.
Sack -- No role information at all. This seems highly suspicious; assuming BK/CW/SD were the vanilla wolves then Sack should either be able to key into their code or have a role. Now highly suspicious to me.

NOT CLEARED

Tyrith (me) -- I'm good, but I'm going to work on the assumption that I'm dead tonight. This is getting put out there so my thoughts are there if nothing happens.
Alan -- His role is inconsistent with the emphasis on tiebreakers and changing rules already present in the game. Killing anxiety doesn't seem to be a defense for anyone, it was just too easy.
Lathum -- It's time someone said what everyone has been thinking. If cronin wasn't the alpha, it has to be lathum. I figured it was him considering how certain he was about blade; another seer-esque ability possible? I'm unvoting him at the end of this post, but hiding information this late is not good.
Saldana -- Was more into the BK/CW/SD code than CW was, and he was good. If barkeep thinks he's good, I suppose that's enough for now, but definately not clear.
Schmidty -- Lathum's word is good for me right now, and his role actually makes since within the game, especially if Lathum has powers.

If I die today, I would look at Sack as the wizard because of his bad role information, and Alan as the other henchman. If somehow we find out cronin was the alpha, then swing back to lathum, but that seems highly doubtful to me. The vote on lathum was a frustration vote.

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE SACK ATTACK

[Tyrith]

Actually, that's not so smart. I suspect Alan pretty much the same amount, and hoops' logic comes into play. Safer, in case I'm wrong again.

UNVOTE SACK ATTACK
VOTE ALANT

[SackAttack]

This is how the game is shaping up.

CLEARED BY CRONIN

Hoops -- 99.999 percent that he's good.
Barkeep -- With the CW fiasco, almost certainly good.
Sack -- No role information at all. This seems highly suspicious; assuming BK/CW/SD were the vanilla wolves then Sack should either be able to key into their code or have a role. Now highly suspicious to me.

NOT CLEARED

Tyrith (me) -- I'm good, but I'm going to work on the assumption that I'm dead tonight. This is getting put out there so my thoughts are there if nothing happens.
Alan -- His role is inconsistent with the emphasis on tiebreakers and changing rules already present in the game. Killing anxiety doesn't seem to be a defense for anyone, it was just too easy.
Lathum -- It's time someone said what everyone has been thinking. If cronin wasn't the alpha, it has to be lathum. I figured it was him considering how certain he was about blade; another seer-esque ability possible? I'm unvoting him at the end of this post, but hiding information this late is not good.
Saldana -- Was more into the BK/CW/SD code than CW was, and he was good. If barkeep thinks he's good, I suppose that's enough for now, but definately not clear.
Schmidty -- Lathum's word is good for me right now, and his role actually makes since within the game, especially if Lathum has powers.

If I die today, I would look at Sack as the wizard because of his bad role information, and Alan as the other henchman. If somehow we find out cronin was the alpha, then swing back to lathum, but that seems highly doubtful to me. The vote on lathum was a frustration vote.

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE SACK ATTACK

What was your role again, Tyrith? Just out of curiosity.

[Tyrith]

Roles, as told by the players:

Hoops: bodyguard
Me: Blade's brother (hence the traitor speculation)
Barkeep, saldana: Mostly vanilla wolves whose votes might count for something more
Alan: Lucky wolf
Schmidty: Wolf beta

[Schmidty]

Also if you all kill saldana tonight I will be very sad. Schmidty: TWO dead good guys have vouched for me. I vouch for saldana. That oughta be enough.

I will unvote him for now, but I still find it very curious and silly that he is voting for me today.

Unvote saldana

By the way, does anyone have a vote count? I want to think things through, but I also don't want to make a quick vote and piss someone off when there's already one vote for me (saldana). I want us wolves, and I sure as hell don't want to go home today. If that looks bad, oh well. I want to save my own skin, because that helps the wolves as a whole.

[Schmidty]

I want us wolves, and I sure as hell don't want to go home today.

That should be "I want us wolves to win".

[hoopsguy]

Roles, as told by the players:

Hoops: bodyguard
Tyrith: Blade's brother
Barkeep/Saldana: mostly vanilla wolves
AlanT: lucky wolf
Schmidty: Beta wolf
Sack: vanilla wolf, no linkage to Barkeep/Saldana up to this point
Lathum: no role claimed, "close to vest"

Unclaimed role: Alpha
Other roles not claimed: ???

We are assuming there is a wizard and probably one henchman left (possibly two?). If we assume that the humans would try to blend (duh) then I doubt that both of the people who have not claimed roles are the antagonists.

If there is no update on voting patterns in the last hour here, then the vote is going to be pretty random. Time to count up where we are at now ...

[hoopsguy]

Votes, as of Post #1835:

Schmidty - AlanT (1790)
Tyrith - Lathum (1801), Barkeep (1813)
AlanT - Tyrith (1830)

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, how did you know that Blade and I were wolves on Day 2 when we were bickering? Gut or some hard info at the time? Because you did come out pretty forcefully in saying that we were both likely to be wolves.

Of course, Anxiety said the same thing that day. It is easier for antagonists to make plays like that since they have complete information about who is on what side ...

[SackAttack]

I'm off to pick up my car from the body shop (I hope). It shouldn't take me 2:15 to get it and get home. I'd be pissed as hell if it did.

Just in case:

Vote Tyrith.

This is only a placeholder, is meant to avoid ties in the event nobody shows up - since I think it's important to get a human today, and I don't know if a tie would help us do that - and is absolutely subject to change, provided I get home before the deadline.

Back soon (I hope).

[saldana]

Votes, as of Post #1835:

Schmidty - AlanT (1790)
Tyrith - Lathum (1801), Barkeep (1813)
AlanT - Tyrith (1830)


i have a vote on schmidty as well

[Alan T]

Hoops, I think your votes are wrong. I voted for Tyrith today. (I am pretty sure at least. thats who I wanted to vote for. I will go back to double checK)

[Alan T]

I'm off to pick up my car from the body shop (I hope). It shouldn't take me 2:15 to get it and get home. I'd be pissed as hell if it did.

Just in case:

Vote Tyrith.

This is only a placeholder, is meant to avoid ties in the event nobody shows up - since I think it's important to get a human today, and I don't know if a tie would help us do that - and is absolutely subject to change, provided I get home before the deadline.

Back soon (I hope).


Sack, Fozzie already said that if the voting rules hypothetically end up where ties are possible (I am guessing if today's vote is majority, or least number of votes), then tiebreaker roles will kick in. So I can gurantuee that no tie will end up with a no-lynch at least if I am involved.

[Alan T]

Yeah Hoops, my vote was actually #1774 and was on Tyrith, not Schmidty. 1790 is Saldana's vote on Schmidty.

[hoopsguy]

Oops, had the wrong person moving their vote:

Schmidty - Saldana (1790)
Tyrith - AlanT (1774), Lathum (1801), Barkeep (1813), Sack (1838)
AlanT - Tyrith (1830)

I've got no problem with a Tyrith/AlanT tie if we go normal voting rules. If it is something other than normal rules, then one of those guys is getting plucked as well if it is 4-4. It allows us to make sure we are preserving our critical roles and only risking the loss of lesser roles with a mistake. I want to get a wizard, but I don't feel like I have enough to work on yet to determine between these two. Time to go on a fact-finding mission but for now:

VOTE ALANT

[hoopsguy]

Anxiety voting record:
Day 1 (Post #290 for recap, AE/Sack with last vote at #291): Barkeep
Day 2 (Post #468 is close enough to end): Hoopsguy
Day 3 (Post #872): Cronin
Day 4 (Post #1386): Tyrith

With votes for Cronin and I in the mix, plus one for Barkeep (not wizard, cross-vouched by CW and Saldana) I feel better about having the vote on AlanT instead of Tyrith. Not a ton better, but by the time Anxiety moved his vote on this day it was a done deal and he could have placed it anywhere he wanted. Based on the first three day votes I don't think he selected to put it on a fellow wolf at the end.

[Alan T]

Well a fair compromise would be to tie it up between Tyrith and I, you can at least let me prove my story was true and allow it to save my own neck for another day.

Right now the biggest reason for anyone to go after me is simply because the Seer did not sniff me even after I asked him to. I'm not sure what else I can do to prove to you all that I am a wolf that i havent already done.

[Lathum]

hoops- I had solid info about blade and based on your comments I assumed you were good.

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, here is the exact post - #649:
OK, I am pretty sure both blade and hoops are telling the truth. I would rather not say why right now. I think we will find that no one else will come forward as the bodyguard to challenge hoops' story.

I can't say right now why I am sure about blade but I am 99.999% positive.

I also feel St. Cronin and Saldana are on the level.

I know I am putting myself in harms way with these startments, I just hope the people I am supporting repay me.

That led me to believe, after Blade was killed the following night, that you were the pack alpha and had saved him. If you were involved with this, any PM information that you can share about that night might be very helpful in trying to understand the "traitor" info that Blade shared ... throw-away part of the description or did it show up in the 2nd wolf's PM as well?

[hoopsguy]

And again here - Post #667:
Hoops and Blade, I think you are focusing to much attention on each other and playing into the baddies hands.

Trust me, you are both telling the truth and need to look elsewhere.

Also, for what it is worth this is not the fact-finding mission I was on ... trying to learn from Anxiety's posts, specifically who did he avoid discussing? I just saw these two as I was passing through Day 3.

[Alan T]

Just another thought.. alot of us have been wondering how would we know what the voting rules were without Cronin around. Surely fozzie wouldnt put that in the game without some mechanism to handle it...

I was told that something in the game could turn the vote back to normal. I had been assuming it would be finding and lynching the wizard. maybe it was cronin's death itself that set things back straight again instead? And this is a normal vote cycle all over again?

[hoopsguy]

Fozzie's PM for last night didn't sound like that, Alan. And he was pretty clear in letting us know the rules were going to be screwed.

That said, without any idea of how the mechanic works I still think a 4-4 tie between you and Tyrith is our best play in covering all the scenarios. I know this isn't very comforting for either of you (playing as wolf or human) but I like it better than a number of alternatives that involve could lead to death for the remaining critical roles (whoever they are).

[SackAttack]

Well, good news and bad news.

The bad news is my car wasn't quite repaired properly, and so I'm without it for one more day.

The good news is, I'm in for the evening.

unvote Tyrith

Gonna catch up on what, if anything, happened while I was out.

[Alan T]

No, a 4-4 tie is perfectly fine with me. I've been pushing for that all day.

I have good confidence in that case I won't die. And if someone tries to pull any funny stuff by changing votes last minute, you have an easy vote the next day.

[hoopsguy]

Saldana, Barkeep - now that Warlord is gone can you share the part of your role that prompted you guys to give a code including "Vince Young" and "Tony Mandarich"?

[Tyrith]

I dunno, the tie plan is preferrable to just killing me. If I'm going to die anyway, I'd at least like to test Alan's honesty.

[SackAttack]

I dunno, the tie plan is preferrable to just killing me. If I'm going to die anyway, I'd at least like to test Alan's honesty.

Is that the way we're headed, then? Establish a tie and test Alan?

If so, what's the current count?

[hoopsguy]

Here is a post that suggest Cronin may have been the alpha - Post #830:
That sounds like a hunter role. Maybe it's a combo hunter/seer role? Maybe he's the only one who can kill the wizard, if he finds him at night? (remember, Foz said a couple of times that the wiz would be hard to kill) And last night he was sniffing you out, and just happened to intervene in the attack?

Just brainstorming here...

Now at this point he had not revealed that he was the seer ... but he has never taken credit for playing a role in Blade's Night 1 protect (this is Day 3 - he reveals seer at start of Day 4).

[hoopsguy]

Votes as of Post #1856:
Schmidty - Saldana (1790)
Tyrith - AlanT (1774), Lathum (1801), Barkeep (1813)
AlanT - Tyrith (1830), Hoopsguy (1843)

No votes - Sack, Schmidty

[Alan T]

Saldana, Barkeep - now that Warlord is gone can you share the part of your role that prompted you guys to give a code including "Vince Young" and "Tony Mandarich"?


Hoops, before they do that, maybe there is still some way they can test Sackattack? It sounds to me that all of the normal wolves got the same PM. If Sack is a normal wolf as he says, maybe there is a way we can put him on the spot with this? I have no idea what they mean by anything, but just a thought.. maybe its too late though.. but Ardent sure didnt jump on their going back and forth. I want to make sure it was just because he was preoccupied and Sack has been trying to catch up rather than them trying to pull a fast one on us.

[Alan T]

Dola, even though Coffee ended up exactly what he said he was and never caught on to their going back and forth...

[Tyrith]

If Lathum doesn't come clean about his role soon I suggest someone put pressure on him, this is getting a little silly.

[SirFozzie]

One Hour, Ten Minutes to Go.

The Law Has been set.

[Alan T]

So much for that theory!

[hoopsguy]

Post #850: Day 3, Tyrith moves his vote from me to Anxiety less than an hour before deadline to create some run-off between Anxiety (henchman) and Path (died as a wolf).

Post #851: Cronin calls on Barkeep to force a tie, generate some movement

Post #852: Barkeep declines, saying Path is his top suspect with Anxiety behind him

Post #863: Saldana states he is leaving his vote on Schmidty one minute before deadline (would not have mattered, as final margin was 5-3).

During this day Barkeep was pretty vocal about looking for ways to back both Blade and I, despite our conflicting stories. Unlike Cronin (or perhaps Lathum?) he does not have a role that would allow him to know this.

[st.cronin]

VOTE TOM BRADY

[Tyrith]

If the first vote and first lynch don't count unvotes:

First vote - Saldana
First voted for - Alan

If they do:

First vote - Alan
First voted for - Tyrith

Currently:

Most votes - Tyrith
Least votes - schmidty

[Tyrith]

And we've shafted schmidty into having final vote privileges again. Otherwise, the last vote is hoops, for alan.

[hoopsguy]

No one is shafting Schmidty - it is his perogative to wait until the last hour to cast the vote. But yeah, by doing so he continues to have a little more pressure than the rest of us.

[hoopsguy]

Anxiety Post #676:
Trust: Blade, Hoops
Distrust: Cronin, Lathum's cryptic statement

Everybody else is in the middle.
Both trusts are wolfs, one of distrusts was wolf. And Lathum is unknown at the moment.

Post #682:
I beleive st.cronin's role reveal, I just think his actions have been a bit off. I just don't know who else to go after? Maybe path, I could be convinced of that.
Path = wolf (barring a cunning human role)

Post #886:
Blade, Lathum, Cronin, Saldana, Hoopsguy mentioned. 2 known good (night kills), me, one non-wizard, and Lathum.

Post #900:
Saldana calls out Anxiety at the end of Day 3. Another good mark in his book.

Will continue on this list of posts that catch my fancy, but wanted to get it up for people to react to, rather than keep a running total and enter a monster post ten minutes before the deadline.

[hoopsguy]

So far, in the post I have reviewed Anxiety has not commented on Sack, Schmidty, Tyrith, and Barkeep (among people still alive).

Tyrith did try to apply pressure on Day 3, although it is easier to do that if you feel like you can move votes away from him later as part of a team. But he has not consistently pointed to these posts as a defense, which makes it seem a little more genuine to me.

[Tyrith]

Mainly on day 3 I came to the excessively late conclusion, between the fact that path and AE didn't seem connected and because of blade, that path wasn't bad, and I was trying to do stir up something that would be useful later.

[saldana]

hoops, with no idea what the voting law is, do you think i should keep my vote on schmdty or move it to alan to generate the tie?

[hoopsguy]

Saldana, I think we have the least chance for a bad result with a 4-4 tie between those two.

Neither has been vouched for, both have confessed to relatively small roles.

[hoopsguy]

Those two = AlanT and Tyrith.

Has there been a clarification on zero votes counting for "least votes"?

[Alan T]

Let me go back and look, but I think our consensus was that it has to at least be 1 vote

[Alan T]

Multiple person ties will be resolved by the rules, if no other functions come in (Roles or Boss Breaks Tie), it will be random


1554 and 1555 were where fozzie answered questions about change of voting rules, but he sidestepped the question about if 0 counts. I think Cronin's interpretation was it was least of the people with votes that day in 1556

[SackAttack]

Vote Tyrith

And so it's up to Schmidty and saldana if we're going the tie route.

[Alan T]

Saldana put your vote on me to make it 4-3. If Schmidty doesnt show up by 10, I'll remove my vote and vote no one to make it a 3-3 tie.

[hoopsguy]

Anxiety, Post #977:
I just finished catching up for today. Here's why I may jump from cronin to hoopsguy or saldana
Also mentions Blade, but trying to focus on the comments (or lack thereof) on people still alive in the game.

Post #996:

The problem is that you may have handed Tyrith a get out of jail free card.
1st comment by Anxiety on Tyrith.

Alan and Tyrith, in quick succession, vote for Anxiety.

Barkeep follows with a vote for him later, following a couple of lengthy analysis posts.

Anxiety gives his fake reveal at Post #1091. Think I'm done looking at this for now ...

[hoopsguy]

Dola - don't recall much mention of AlanT in Anxiety's posts either ... looking at the guys he doesn't mention didn't help as much as I hoped it would. But it does make me feel better about Lathum and considerably better about Saldana based on their frequent mentions and responses to him.

[Tyrith]

I'd prefer is someone other than alan was the one to remove the vote, in case the other nasty rules come into play. Saldana and lathum are the next two in order, unless the vote rule doesn't include unvotes.

[Alan T]

Think Fozzie said yesterday first vote as long as it is valid counts, regardless if its removed. so regardless of unvotes, the first vote was frozen the minute it happened

[Alan T]

without confirming or denying it, in such a hypothetical situation it would be the first/last voted entered.. It doesn't have to be a vote that still counts, as long as it was valid when entered.


post 1554

[Tyrith]

We might be in trouble here. If the same is true for last vote, schmidty has no real motivation to put a vote in here, and hoops is the exposed player at the moment. I think we would be better off changing it so that we're okay with whoever would be getting lynched for either most votes or least votes.

[hoopsguy]

Tyrith, not sure I'm following - last vote entered is Sack at the moment (post #1876). The only thing I'm last on at the moment is last to vote for AlanT.

Schmidty - Saldana (1790)
Tyrith - AlanT (1774), Lathum (1801), Barkeep (1813), Sack (1876)
AlanT - Tyrith (1830), Hoopsguy (1843)

No votes - Schmidty

[Alan T]

Right now its:

First voter - Saldana
First vote - Alan
Least votes - Schmidty
Most votes - Tyrith
Last voter - Sackattack
Last vote - Tyrith

None of our most critical roles are there, and if we lose any of those, its probably not a huge deal at all for us. I was hoping to prove my role to you all, but if its not going to happen, this is about the best way I can think of to make it happen.

[Alan T]

Schmidty is here now but no Saldana. Schmidty if you want to put your vote on me, I'll unvote if Saldana is not here to move his vote later to force a tie.

[Alan T]

ok nevermind, Saldana is back too! If both of you put your votes on me, its 4-4 and we have 33% chance of hitting a condition with a tie, to prove my role

[hoopsguy]

If Saldana/Schmidty change to create the 4-4 tie:

First voter - Saldana
First vote - Alan
Least votes - tie, Tyrith and Alan
Most votes - tie, Tyrith and Alan
Last voter - Saldana or Schmidty
Last vote - Alan

Pretty close to the same scenario, except Schmidty (who may or may not have an important role) is out of the line of fire.

[Tyrith]

What if the final vote thing also doesn't count unvotes?

[saldana]

unvote schmidty
vote alant

[hoopsguy]

By the way, I hate playing this way (would prefer my primary motivation to be voting who I think is guilty) but without knowing the rules of voting I think this is the optimal play.

[Alan T]

What if the final vote thing also doesn't count unvotes?

Not sure what you mean here.

[Tyrith]

Assuming schmidty follows suit, I'm cool with this.

[saldana]

so what is the vote count now?

[Alan T]

By the way, I hate playing this way (would prefer my primary motivation to be voting who I think is guilty) but without knowing the rules of voting I think this is the optimal play.


I gave my reasons this morning why I think this is the best play. I am glad you all trusted me enough to try to set this up. Now i just hope I dont die from first or last vote instead :(

[Tyrith]

Four me, three alan, schmidty still to vote.

[saldana]

dola, never mind, went back and found it...so all we need is schmidty to vote for alan, and no one to move anything around

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, you still going with the "close to the vest" strategy here?

[Lathum]

Lathum, you still going with the "close to the vest" strategy here?
for now yes.

[saldana]

uh, paging schmidty....are you gonna vote?

[Alan T]

if he doesn't come back, I'll just do what I said and hope we don't get double crossed last minute.

[hoopsguy]

Come 8:55 or so, if Schmidty isn't playing ball it might not be the worst idea in the world to test him instead.

[Tyrith]

I agree. Me, hoops, and saldana on schmity, with alan taking his vote off me?

[Alan T]

Come 8:55 or so, if Schmidty isn't playing ball it might not be the worst idea in the world to test him instead.


How do you mean? I think I would rather tie us, maybe I am being selfish here, but with Cronin dead, this is the only way I can build trust now.

[saldana]

no argument here

[hoopsguy]

No reason for Schmidty to rock the boat if he likes the result right now as a human and they are in end game - if they have three, know that we can't kill the wizard, then they could have us.

There are a couple of assumptions there, but I definitely want to see Schmidty get his vote in here and explain it if it deviates from the plan.

[Alan T]

oh wait.. maybe I cant be the one to remove my vote. For my tiebreaker to kick in, I might have to be the one voting....

I'll work this out however you all like though, just let me know

[Schmidty]

Ok, I am embarrassed. I got a new job earlier today, and I've celebrated a bit. I am beyond hammered. I have been doing that more lately than I should.

Anyway, I don't have a "fell" for anyone,so I guess I'll vote for the guy (who happens to be the leader in votes) who was one of the first who started casting suspicion on me.

Vote Tyrith

[hoopsguy]

Swap me for Alan, with me (and my lack of luck) not in the voting.

[Lathum]

alan seems to be pushing this a little to much

[Tyrith]

I'm going to follow hoops, whichever way he goes.

[Alan T]

gah

[Tyrith]

What do you know, someone is a bad guy.

[hoopsguy]

Schmidty, if you catch up with the posts here we are angling for a tie between Tyrith and AlanT to see if we can force the wizard to try and save a henchman, prove AlanT's tie-breaker, and otherwise try to control what appears to be a chaotic vote.

A 5-3 spread, as your vote makes it, is probably not optimal. Might work out to be right, but ...

[hoopsguy]

By the way, congrats on the new job.

[Alan T]

alan seems to be pushing this a little to much


Do you blame me? Im not sure what else to do.

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, you can switch your vote to create a tie if you are interested in pursuing that strategy.

[Alan T]

Schmidty is already off the board from what I can see.

[saldana]

lathum, can you switch

[hoopsguy]

Votes as of Post #1919:

Tyrith - AlanT (1774), Lathum (1801), Barkeep (1813), Sack (1876), Schmidty (1908)
AlanT - Tyrith (1830), Hoopsguy (1843), Saldana (1890)

[Schmidty]

WTF, I just casted my vote?

[Alan T]

This is going to end badly lol....

[hoopsguy]

Schmidty, as dumb as this normally sounds in werewolf - we want a tie here if you aren't pretty damn sure between Tyrith and AlanT.

[Schmidty]

I just got a new job today (as a manager at a hotel) and celebrated. I'm hammered. Wife's pissed at me.

What's the vote?

[hoopsguy]

See Post #1920. 5-3 right now, Tyrith ahead of AlanT.

[Schmidty]

Vote Tyrith

[saldana]

sack was just here and left, that concerns me, since he could change this as well

[hoopsguy]

Hopefully he honors it, but to be sure get the UNVOTE in as well.

[saldana]

un


believable

[SackAttack]

I'm not changing anything unless asked to.

[Alan T]

He is still voting for Tyrith there..

[Tyrith]

Schmidty, you're not going to like what happens tomorrow, I suspect.

[Schmidty]

Unvote Tyrith

Vote Alan

[hoopsguy]

Deadline - wonder if we are still in this game or if it is done?

[Alan T]

I think he got in , just in time.

[saldana]

enjoy your celebration schmidty, and hope i die during the night, because if tyrith is a good guy, you got my vote from 9:01 tomorrow

[SackAttack]

Oh, wow.

Schmidty, you crazy cat.

[Alan T]

I think I just aged 10 years and gained an ulcer in the last 10 minutes

[saldana]

dola, unles fozzie counts your switch, in which case, you still may have it :(

[Schmidty]

Schmidty, you're not going to like what happens tomorrow, I suspect.

I don't care.

Fuck it.

I am the new Front Desk Manager at La Quinta Inn in Bellingham baby!!!!!!!!!! :)

Lame, but it's a good job while I finish my new degree.

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, assuming game is still on tomorrow and you want us to believe that you are a wolf, I would hope will come clean on your play today.

If Lathum is a henchman/wizard, and Schmidty is telling the truth about his role, then who the heck is the alpha?

[Tyrith]

These last two nights have been panic inducing. I don't know how some of you have been playing this game so long :P

[Schmidty]

enjoy your celebration schmidty, and hope i die during the night, because if tyrith is a good guy, you got my vote from 9:01 tomorrow

You've been against me the whole time, so who the fuck cares?

[Schmidty]

You've been against me the whole time, so who the fuck cares?

I think?

[Schmidty]

I am the official worst WW player ever.

Why do I like this game so much?

[Alan T]

Sirfozzie isnt on right now, so we now go from the panic state to the suspense state.

[Alan T]

I am the official worst WW player ever.

Why do I like this game so much?


You miss me, and this is your only way to interact with me?

[Tyrith]

Schmidty, I posted in assumption you weren't voting. You're in better shape now, I suspect.

And if lathum isn't the alpha it had to be cronin, meaning schmidty is a bad guy and there is no fucking CLUE as to how blade lived through night 2, unless he was blessed.

[Schmidty]

You miss me, and this is your only way to interact with me?

Don't quit the RWBL next time, bastard.

[Tyrith]

I think I'm going to go drink half a case of mountain dew and see how bad it screws me up now.

[Alan T]

So final counts are uhh..

First vote: Alan
First voter: Saldana
Least votes: TIE (Tyrith, Alan)
Most votes: TIE (Tyrith, Alan)
Last vote: Alan
Last voter: schmidty

The way I see it, odds to die are:

33% Alan
33% Tyrith
17% Schmidty
17% Saldana

So.. if this is it for me, its been fun being back even in this insane game.

[Alan T]

Don't quit the RWBL next time, bastard.

I loved that place. I blame Computer Associates for buying my company. My expense report is roughly $2000-$6000 a month from traveling now.. Just hard to keep consistant at anything for long periods of time with this schedule!

[Schmidty]

Last voter: schmidty


If I cann help it, I will be the last voter for the rest of the game.

[hoopsguy]

And where is our worthless moderator ... er, I mean our resident evil genius who is running this game?

[Tyrith]

If Alan is good then it goes down to lathum or schmidty being the last henchman. I absolutely don't want to think lathum is a bad guy, but it's not looking as rosy anymore.

[Alan T]

And where is our worthless moderator ... er, I mean our resident evil genius who is running this game?

I wouldn't dare call anyone who has my life in his hands worthless. I think Fozzie is one of the smartest, best dressed, kindest, caring people I know. And I changed my mind, the Red Sox are the best team in the history of the world. And Soccer really should be on prime time tv.

[Schmidty]

I wouldn't dare call anyone who has my life in his hands worthless. I think Fozzie is one of the smartest, best dressed, kindest, caring people I know. And I changed my mind, the Red Sox are the best team in the history of the world. And Soccer really should be on prime time tv.

Yeah!!!

And Arbor Day is the greatest day of the year!!!!!!!!!!


Oh shit, wait...........

[hoopsguy]

Now that the day is over, and we know that there was no one around to guide the voting - that just sucked. Whether it works out or not, I hope we are not headed to another day of "guess the voting mechanic".

[Alan T]

Well, for me i have a 67% chance of proving my role for you all.. so odds are this day worked out for me either through proving my role in death, or with the tiebreaker!

[saldana]

at this point, all i can hope is that the next time i run a game, fozzie plays....his death scene will be the most fun i have ever had to write.

[Barkeep49]

Oh wow. Still no reveal? Darn.

[Barkeep49]

Saldana, Barkeep - now that Warlord is gone can you share the part of your role that prompted you guys to give a code including "Vince Young" and "Tony Mandarich"?
I think it might be early with Sack Attack claiming a vanilla role. Sack I think you need to take a look at post 909. There is something key in there. Saldana responded in 1082 successfully. But focus on 909. There is something key there. If you know it, it shoulnd't be hard to find. I think CW messed up by focusing on 1082 too much, which was likely my fault as well. So focus on 909. Respond somehow, someway. Saldana or I should pick it up.

[saldana]

I think it might be early with Sack Attack claiming a vanilla role. Sack I think you need to take a look at post 909. There is something key in there. Saldana responded in 1082 successfully. But focus on 909. There is something key there. If you know it, it shoulnd't be hard to find. I think CW messed up by focusing on 1082 too much, which was likely my fault as well. So focus on 909. Respond somehow, someway. Saldana or I should pick it up.


i thought the same thing, and didnt answer on purpose until you weighed in on the topic, although i am now convinced more than ever that our role is as vanilla as it gets

[saldana]

dola, and where the hell is fozzie...he is making it pretty damn hard for me to screw off at work right now. with nothing to talk about, i am actually accomplishing work related things right now. :(

[Alan T]

Lol, I can't sleep and am simming FM2006 in the trial version over and over day after day waiting...

The bad part.. I'm not manage of any club, and I don't even know anything about soccer...

[Tyrith]

We all have problems, DANGIT FOZZIE, stop doing this to us!

[Barkeep49]

OK I think I can go to sleep now. I am disappointed at how late I stayed up and never got a Fozzie.

[st.cronin]

To be fair, Fozzie did say that it was raining.

[Coffee Warlord]

Okay, I'm taking over as moderator.

Everyone's dead, Coffee magically is resurrected. Game over. Yaks win. :)

[Alan T]

To be fair, Fozzie did say that it was raining.

I have issues when this quote gives me ideas for a Wizard of Oz Werewolf game...

You can have roles of Dorothy, Tin Man, Cowardy Lion, Scarecrow, the Wizard,

Wicked Witch of the East, West, munchkins and flying monkeys!

[saldana]

I have issues when this quote gives me ideas for a Wizard of Oz Werewolf game...

You can have roles of Dorothy, Tin Man, Cowardy Lion, Scarecrow, the Wizard,

Wicked Witch of the East, West, munchkins and flying monkeys!


and you of course will be the wicked witch....that way you wont have to wonder if you will die in 3 days...you'll be dead in the first 10 minutes.

[Barkeep49]

I did like Coffee's game. Not sure I like this new version. Ok this is like crack. I want to go to sleep sorta, but sorta don't as I still have a lot of energy. Plus now I just came up with a completely original idea for a WW theme that I now have kicking around in my head.

[Alan T]

I did like Coffee's game. Not sure I like this new version. Ok this is like crack. I want to go to sleep sorta, but sorta don't as I still have a lot of energy. Plus now I just came up with a completely original idea for a WW theme that I now have kicking around in my head.

But does it involve flying monkeys??

[Barkeep49]

But does it involve flying monkeys??
No but it does inovlve all of the players being Gods.

[saldana]

But does it involve flying monkeys??

i'm sure whatever it involves, it will require an MIT grad to decipher the rules.

[Barkeep49]

Hey now that's not fair. To Crown a King could CLEARLY have been understood by any Ivy league undergraduate.

[saldana]

Hey now that's not fair. To Crown a King could CLEARLY have been understood by any Ivy league undergraduate.
only if they were a math major....i suck at math, and that was probably my lowest post count game ever because all anyone ever did was try and figure out the points....I was the seer (wise noble) and no one even knew it because i didnt matter.

[Blade6119]

only if they were a math major....i suck at math, and that was probably my lowest post count game ever because all anyone ever did was try and figure out the points....I was the seer (wise noble) and no one even knew it because i didnt matter.
Or because you never did anything noteworthy despite the powerful role :rolleyes: ;)

[SackAttack]

I think it might be early with Sack Attack claiming a vanilla role. Sack I think you need to take a look at post 909. There is something key in there. Saldana responded in 1082 successfully. But focus on 909. There is something key there. If you know it, it shoulnd't be hard to find. I think CW messed up by focusing on 1082 too much, which was likely my fault as well. So focus on 909. Respond somehow, someway. Saldana or I should pick it up.

When I was in high school, I ran on the cross country team, but I wasn't anything special. Basically I was the guy whose role was to finish ahead of other teams' #5 runners at meets (CC is like golf - lowest score wins. Only the top 5 score points, and the further back a runner finishes, the more points he scores for his team).

Nothing special. Vanilla, if you like.

I also had about four inches on everybody on the team, courtesy of REALLY long legs. I had more than one coach tell me I had the potential to be more than I was, but I never found out if that was true.

This is kinda like that. Potential, but that's all.

[saldana]

in a much longer and round about kind of way than i answered it, that is more or less what i was looking for

[Barkeep49]

I agree. Sack is a good guy.

[SirFozzie]

I'm tired of power outages. I'm tired of rain. I'm tired of.. no I'm not tired of this game.

Day result in next post

[SirFozzie]

The wizard is giggling as he prepares to finish off whoever the vote puts as the target.. "I think you'll like this one, it makes the target feel like they're being stung to death by ten thousand bees while having the skin flayed from their bones by a barbed whip.."

He giggles again, and the sound has no sanity in it...

he waves his hands again..

[SirFozzie]

Rule: First person Voted For: (Post #1771, by Saldana)

The Wizard's eyes grow large as Alan T's body starts twitching and he yelps in unimaginable pain. Then he laughs again, the toll on his sanity making this cruelty even FUNNIER to him.

"Wow, and I thought HE was the Lucky one! HEEEHEHEHEEEEEE!"

It takes several minutes, and the sounds and howls coming from Alan as well as the cackling laughter from the wizard set your hair on edge, until mercifully (an unusual thing for the Wolves) they put him out of his misery.

As he dies, he shifts to human form, and a white flash from his body covers the village. A sense of equillibrium has been restored,

Night 6 Actions Due asap, if we can get them in by 2-3 pm we can have a lynch tonight.

[Alan T]

bah!

[hoopsguy]

Alan, we still haven't been on the same team.

[Barkeep49]

Well that's not all together unsurprising. Alan I thought you played the role well. Good job to those who voted for him.

[hoopsguy]

The question now is whether there is still a henchman out there or if we are strictly hunting for the wizard. Any thoughts I have on the matter are strictly speculative, but if people have hard information on this then tomorrow during the day cycle would be a good time to come forward with this kind of info.

[Barkeep49]

Is the plan to still do a full day today?

I think Lathum needs to stop with the close to the vest BS. He wants credit for being right? Fine I'll give him credit for being right: Bad guys know with 100% certainty who the bad guys are.

[hoopsguy]

From SirFozzie:
Night 6 Actions Due asap, if we can get them in by 2-3 pm we can have a lynch tonight.

So hopefully we are getting a full day today.

[Barkeep49]

Sounds good.

[Lathum]

Sweet, another human.

[Barkeep49]

I'm bummed. It feels like the first time I've been around in days and alas since we are at night I am unable to get a good amount of posts. Oh well. Will be back late afternoon through the lynch, should we have one today.

[Alan T]

I think its just quiet because everyone is mourning my death

[Lathum]

what is the deadline for decidind if we will have a night action? I have to go to work at 4:00 est

[SirFozzie]

If I don't have actions in by 3, It'll be a lynch TOMORROW night.

I'm sorry, it sucks, but it's not all my fault :)

[Barkeep49]

I think its just quiet because everyone is mourning my death
And by everyone you mean 1, MAYBE 2 players?

[Alan T]

If I don't have actions in by 3, It'll be a lynch TOMORROW night.

I'm sorry, it sucks, but it's not all my fault :)

I blame you entirely and take back all the nice things i said about you! :)

[saldana]

yes!!!! i knew i was right! and this time the bastage didnt get to kill me along with him.

[SirFozzie]

I blame you entirely and take back all the nice things i said about you! :)

You've never said anything nice about me in the first place ;)