WW Amazing Race - Game Over (Moles Win & Team Reebok Wins)

[cougarfreak]

I thought for sure Lathum was dead meat tonight too. Very strange day. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. Wife's party didn't get over until after 10, so I just got home. I'll be more active tomorrow.

[Autumn]

The only two possibilities I see are:

1) They wanted to plant suspicion about Lathum and get us to waste another voting day.

2) They forgot their kill order last night, weren't entirely certain that Lathum was telilng the truth and so decided to target someone else.

3) They forgot their kill order last night, and just didn't analyze tonight's sitaution enough to realize that hitting Lathum was the thing to do.

#3 would point towards a wolf team probably of newer players, for what it's worth. #2 points at a team terrified of Lathum, so that could be any experienced player ;-) #1 points at a team that knows how the village likes to self destruct.

Obviously the other solution is Lathum is a wolf, but that seems even more nonsensical, and easily solved down the line.

[Autumn]

I thought for sure Lathum was dead meat tonight too. Very strange day. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. Wife's party didn't get over until after 10, so I just got home. I'll be more active tomorrow.

Any nice handbags?

[Autumn]

Obviously I'm the only person forced on a Friday night to sit at my computer working on a rush project all night.

[JAG]

Yeah, Lathum as wolf doesn't seem at all likely to me, considering he revealed as BG to his teammate, who for all he knows is the real BG. I don't really see the upside. So that would seem pretty stupid to try and plant suspicion on Lathum in that manner, if that's the case.

[Autumn]

Well, I have a couple suspicions but I"m going to wait and see what they do in thread before I start throwing vote ideas out. We've got all weekend.

[JAG]

Alright, well I'm out for the night. Later all.

[Autumn]

Well, it might not have been a great idea, but the natural gut reaction of the village after Jackal comes up good is going to be a squinty eye on Lathum. Add it to him not being killed and there's a chance he gets votes. I agree, it doesn't add up in the end, but it's the sort of thing we do as a village, basically.

Well here's another conspiracy theory then. Maybe Mau fakes his seer reveal, and so they're still seer hunting. They don't want to leave them out there scanning while they go after the bodyguard, and they know Lathum won't know to guard the real seer.

[Lathum]

just put the wee one down and made dinner, still trying to sort all this out

[Autumn]

I have extreme doubts mau is the seer. I think it was a desperation move and trying to emulate tyke's move last game of inventing a role . That said if mau is not the seer, the real seer is not going to out himself to refute that. The "future" comment was obviously claiming seer. His claiming BG protected him too really sounds like he's making stuff up and overexplaining.

Amazing reveal, Lathum. With that info I think both Jackal and mau can be wolves.

I went back and read CF's posts. This is the only thing that stood out, is that he made several strong posts suggesting doubt about Mauboy's reveal. He also had voted Mauboy before the reveal.

Coincidence? Red herring? Or is this why he died?

[hoopsguy]

Autumn, I think you have it re: Crimson killing.

Well, at least that is what I was thinking might be reason for it. I wanted to spend some time reviewing posts from the first half of the day with that goal in mind ... seeing who might be dubious of the seer claim in an attempt to figure out if someone was covertly challenging a wolf seer bluff.

[Lathum]

my head is seriously reeling right now.

[bhlloy]

Lathum - if you protected anybody else than yourself night 1 now is the time to speak up buddy. Otherwise I have absolutely no idea what is going on. On the face of it we've got some incompetent wolves, but really? One of them outed themselves and now they had a free shot at the BG and passed it up for no reason?

[CrimsonFox]

Yes I saw through mau's endless line of $*!t and I also did not change my vote off of him day one.

Was going back there tomorrow in fact. Beyond that I think Danny's answers and switches day one really stink. HIs blind leap to me and calling me "the second choice" were just weird. A Mau/Danny double wolf team would really suck.

[CrimsonFox]

*has a brew with Jackal and enjoys what's left of the race*

[Poli]

Holy cow I'm out for the day and the thread gains 6 pages.

[hoopsguy]

Holy cow I'm out for the day and the thread gains 6 pages.

I would like to point out that, after this post, I'll be tied for 15th in the thread in posts.

765 posts in two game days ... it is starting to feel like the old days of werewolf again in terms of bigger player counts and higher volume posting. I'm excited about this development.

[bhlloy]

Was going back there tomorrow in fact. Beyond that I think Danny's answers and switches day one really stink. HIs blind leap to me and calling me "the second choice" were just weird. A Mau/Danny double wolf team would really suck.

I think there might be something to this. Danny picks up on CF in post #277 saying that he's picking someone at random "who's around" but CF hadn't posted in 50+ posts since then and wasn't even on the same page. Some people had posted 5-6 times since that point. Then mauboy switches a few posts later. CF ends up dead the next day.

Could just be teammates PM'ing and trying to drum up support for a new candidate, but there's really no point in playing as teammates in the werewolf portion of the game.

[mckerney]

Yes I saw through mau's endless line of $*!t and I also did not change my vote off of him day one.

Was going back there tomorrow in fact. Beyond that I think Danny's answers and switches day one really stink. HIs blind leap to me and calling me "the second choice" were just weird. A Mau/Danny double wolf team would really suck.

Since you can't do it I will for you.

Vote mauboy1

[Chief Rum]

Hmm... Very interesting day. Wish I could say I was surprised about The Jackal, but in any case, it didn't really matter-- we had to rule him out.

As to the speculation on Danny, that is an intriguing idea to explore. Y'all might recall I earlier suggested that a wolf seer mau might have "scanned" me instead of his partner Danny because he knew when he was finally caught, his so called scan targets would be looked upon dubiously. It's unlikely but certainly possible that random.org put two wolves together...

[Darth Vilus]

Um, yeah, what the hell. Weird day today to say the least, I thought for sure that Jackal was a wolf. And then they kill Crimson out of nowhere?

Ah, head starting to hurt, must decipher werewolf craziness. I'll have to look back at everything tomorrow and see if I can make any heads or tails of this.

Crimson's death really bugs me, i don't get it

[Darth Vilus]

We had our asses kicked at bowling too, all in all not a good day.

I knew all of you were dying to know how it went :D

[Danny]

The only other possibility I see is they somehow thought Crimson was the seer which would mean of course Mau is a wolf. Very odd night kill choice.

[Danny]

I think there might be something to this. Danny picks up on CF in post #277 saying that he's picking someone at random "who's around" but CF hadn't posted in 50+ posts since then and wasn't even on the same page. Some people had posted 5-6 times since that point. Then mauboy switches a few posts later. CF ends up dead the next day.

Could just be teammates PM'ing and trying to drum up support for a new candidate, but there's really no point in playing as teammates in the werewolf portion of the game.

There's not. I saw Crimson in thread and picked him out of the people there. I picked him because he usually is not an early kill, nor is he often one of the most active in games.

While it's possible I am a wolf, this theory makes no sense. I wouldn't go out of my way as a wolf to get rid of a vanilla crimsonfox.

[Danny]

I do think if Mau turns up wolf that does make me look not so good with his decision not to scan me night 1. That said, I am not convinced Mau is 100% guilty yet. I'd like to see his scan result and either way, I will be giving him one more time as there is no reason to lynch him at this point.

[Danny]

Since you can't do it I will for you.

Vote mauboy1

This is an awful vote. If Mau is lying, we will find out. We're not in a dire situation here as we currently stand either 14-3 or 13-4. Let's not do the wolves a favor in the event he is the seer.

[Danny]

I would like to point out that, after this post, I'll be tied for 15th in the thread in posts.

765 posts in two game days ... it is starting to feel like the old days of werewolf again in terms of bigger player counts and higher volume posting. I'm excited about this development.

You must be a wolf then

[Danny]

I went back and read CF's posts. This is the only thing that stood out, is that he made several strong posts suggesting doubt about Mauboy's reveal. He also had voted Mauboy before the reveal.

Coincidence? Red herring? Or is this why he died?

I think there is a good chance Mau is a wolf and they figured Crimson was the seer. It's really the only logical explanation I can think of for them not killing Lathum.

[Passacaglia]

Can Zinto and I still PM?

[Autumn]

This should be an interesting weekend, I hope we continue to get some discussion.

While I agree, and pointed out, that Mau being a fake seer is one explanation for CF's death, it's certainly not the only one. Wolves make blunders sometimes, and we shouldn't turn that to their favor by going paranoid. Maybe they simply made a poor night kill choice. Or maybe they did the old wolf trick of doing something strange to make us paranoid.

[mauchow]

Okay, time to break this out...

I am a vanilla villager with a minor role that allows me to sneak around behind the scenes two times with the possibility of a third (depending on the amazing race portion of the game... I would have to make it to the top 5 to get an additional roll of film). The description given to me likened it to me being "Paparazzi", in that I can catch discriminating evidence on someone.

Once Lathum brought out that he was the Body Guard, I thought it was a perfect opportunity to take on the "Seer" role to bring the heat on me since it was somewhat assumed that's what I meant by what I said day 1. I wanted to try luring the wolves into trying to kill me last night, so I could take pictures of Lathum, hoping I would catch the moles in action. Obviously I came up empty handed last night. But one thing for sure, it DEFINITELY gave the impression that he IS the bodyguard. And from the limited detail, it almost sounded like he may have protected himself again last night..

What this means going forward?

I have one more roll of film to snap a few pictures at night unless I get to the top 5.

Chief Rum is not cleared.

Lathum is cleared as our bodyguard.

[Danny]

I see nothing in the rules even hinting there may be unlisted roles.

Vote Mauboy

Also, even a minor role means you're not a vanilla villager.

[Danny]

Seems pretty obvious now that you were hoping for a real seer reveal and now that you know you won't get it are trying something else. I was going to advocate not lynching you for one more day, so not sure why you didn't just stick with the seer story for now as a wolf.

[Autumn]

Yeah, I haven't even finished reading this, but I'm not buying it. I thought killing CF was either a red herring for us, or a move by a newer or rustier wolf. It's a bit too obvious for some of our veteran moves who are always pulling the "but you know that I know that I know that you put the poison in that cup." I can buy Mauboy pulling the trigger on CF, and then freaking out when we saw what he was up to.

<b>VOTE MAUBOY1</b>

[Autumn]

This makes for a real interesting chance to look back at day 1 votes now.

[Lathum]

Okay, time to break this out...

I am a vanilla villager with a minor role that allows me to sneak around behind the scenes two times with the possibility of a third (depending on the amazing race portion of the game... I would have to make it to the top 5 to get an additional roll of film). The description given to me likened it to me being "Paparazzi", in that I can catch discriminating evidence on someone.

Once Lathum brought out that he was the Body Guard, I thought it was a perfect opportunity to take on the "Seer" role to bring the heat on me since it was somewhat assumed that's what I meant by what I said day 1. I wanted to try luring the wolves into trying to kill me last night, so I could take pictures of Lathum, hoping I would catch the moles in action. Obviously I came up empty handed last night. But one thing for sure, it DEFINITELY gave the impression that he IS the bodyguard. And from the limited detail, it almost sounded like he may have protected himself again last night..

What this means going forward?

I have one more roll of film to snap a few pictures at night unless I get to the top 5.

Chief Rum is not cleared.

Lathum is cleared as our bodyguard.

I don't buy this at all, many holes. For one, nothing in the rules about other roles. Second, I would call a role like this anything but minor, it would actually be pretty powerful. Third, a villager acting n the villages best interest wouldn't reveal as seer for fear of the actual seer coming out.

Also, I can't guard the same person on consecutive nights. I obviously guarded myself N1 and you last night.

I think you realize once you come up alive tomorrow morning you are toast so you are making a fake reveal.

[Lathum]

dola- another possibility for no n1 kill is the wolves have to send in an order which wolf will do the kill and it was supposed to be MartinD N1.

[mauchow]

I don't buy this at all, many holes. For one, nothing in the rules about other roles. Second, I would call a role like this anything but minor, it would actually be pretty powerful. Third, a villager acting n the villages best interest wouldn't reveal as seer for fear of the actual seer coming out.

Also, I can't guard the same person on consecutive nights. I obviously guarded myself N1 and you last night.

I think you realize once you come up alive tomorrow morning you are toast so you are making a fake reveal.

It doesn't say you can't guard yourself twice in a row.. regardless, it was not that detailed. Essentially, it said you were hunkered down, preparing for something that never happened.

[Autumn]

This explains Night 1, obviously the wolves don't hit the fake seer, they hit Lathum. And then it's in their best interest not to off the bodyguard since A) he's guarding the fake seer, and B) once he's dead they have no excuse not to kill the fake seer.

[Autumn]

dola- another possibility for no n1 kill is the wolves have to send in an order which wolf will do the kill and it was supposed to be MartinD N1.

That's true, I didn't consider that possibility. I was trying to think of a reason why Martin getting lynched would impede their plan, but should have thought of that.

Oh forget my last post, I just realized you weren't revealed at that point Lathum. I guess the above, or a simple mix up is the answer still.

[Passacaglia]

Sorry that I haven't been paying much attention in this game, but Lathum, when did you reveal as the BG? That was after mau revealed as the seer, right? But it sounds like he was saying he revealed as the seer after you revealed as the BG?

[Autumn]

Well, this is interesting, here's what I have for hte Day vote order (the ending might not be complete but I'm looking at earlier in the day)

Autumn votes JAG
PF votes mauboy
lathum votes chief
mauboy votes chief (2)
danny votes jag (2)
jag votes autumn
bhlloy votes mauboy (2)
martin d votes mauboy (3)
chief rum votes mauboy (4)
mckerney votes mauboy (5)
chief unvotes mauboy (4)
danny unvotes jag
danny votes ntndeacon
jackal votes ntndeacon (2)
hoopsguy votes ntndeacon (3)
zinto votes chief rum (3)
ntndeacon votes chief (4)
pass votes ntn (4)
chief votes ntn (5)
cF votes mauboy (5)
ntn unvotes chief (3)
ntn votes mauboy (6)
darth votes mauboy (7)
cougar votes mauboy (8)
mauboy unvotes chief (2)
mauboy votes ntn (6)
golden eagle votes ntn (7)
saldana votes ntn (8)
lathum unvotes chief (1)
lathum votes ntn (8)
chief unvotes ntn (7)
chief votes mauboy (9)
autumn unvotes jag (0)
autumn votes mauboy (10)
ntn unvotes mau (9)
ntn votes jag (1)
danny unvote ntn (6)
danny votes CF
mau unvotes ntn (5)
mau votes crimson
chief unvotes mau
chief votes jag
autumn unvotes mauboy1
autumn votes JAG
autumn votes JAG

The earlier unvote of Mauboy looked bad for Chief, though his later vote of him looks good. I'll have to go back and see the context of those.

[Lathum]

Sorry that I haven't been paying much attention in this game, but Lathum, when did you reveal as the BG? That was after mau revealed as the seer, right? But it sounds like he was saying he revealed as the seer after you revealed as the BG?

I revealed after Mau, following the wolves trying to kill me N1

[Lathum]

It doesn't say you can't guard yourself twice in a row.. regardless, it was not that detailed. Essentially, it said you were hunkered down, preparing for something that never happened.

That would be way overpowered and not the case. I PMed EF about this when I read my role description for clarification.

[mauchow]

I revealed after Mau, following the wolves trying to kill me N1

Incorrect, I revealed well after you did. Well into the next morning as a matter of fact.

[mckerney]

Sorry that I haven't been paying much attention in this game, but Lathum, when did you reveal as the BG? That was after mau revealed as the seer, right? But it sounds like he was saying he revealed as the seer after you revealed as the BG?

Lathum revealed as the body guard after day ones night actions were processed. Mauboy dropped hints that made people believe he was the seer during the day one voting while he was in the lead. First he said he'd revel his role in half an hour (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=2430271&postcount=248), then said, "If only I could see the future (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=2430277&postcount=251)," which made people think he was the seer. Lathum claimed the body guard role (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=2430439&postcount=368) a few hours after mauboy dropped hints about being the seer, but it wasn't until the next morning that mauboy actually claimed to be the seer (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=2430594&postcount=478) saying he'd scanned Chief Rum.

So it's technically true that he made an actual claim to be the seer after Lathum's body guard reveal, he dropped hints and let people run with the idea a few hours before.

[Autumn]

For people looking it over, my vote on Mauboy, the 10th, is right about when he "revealed" as I cast it after asking him to give more specifics (not having caught his seer hint).

[Lathum]

It looks like I need one vote swayed..

If I could only see the future.

Incorrect, I revealed well after you did. Well into the next morning as a matter of fact.

cmon Mau...

[Autumn]

I see interesting things in the vote, but don't want to point them all out at this point. I'd rather watch and see how people react to the new situation. It would be nice if the real seer had scanned NTN so at some point we could see that whole situation clearly. Obviously Chief is a good target for a scan as well.

[Danny]

Honestly, with some of the things I've seen, I'm leaning toward the likelihood that the wolves are made up of newer more inexperienced / less active players.

[mauchow]

cmon Mau...

I honestly meant that in the literal form, I wish I could see what the hell is going to happen come deadline. Take that how you want.

I was online for the next few hours after that and at any point I could have said who my 'scan' was. It was only til the next morning when I actually went forward with it. Cmon lathum...

[The Jackal]

*heads to the basement of the christ church to drink ale with monks and crimson*

[mauchow]

Also, I can't guard the same person on consecutive nights. I obviously guarded myself N1 and you last night.


Which would explain why I saw you hunkered down looking like you were protecting yourself, I was already there and you were protecting me.

[Lathum]

I honestly meant that in the literal form, I wish I could see what the hell is going to happen come deadline. Take that how you want.

I was online for the next few hours after that and at any point I could have said who my 'scan' was. It was only til the next morning when I actually went forward with it. Cmon lathum...

I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe you meant that as anything other than a less than subtle hint at being seer.

Which would explain why I saw you hunkered down looking like you were protecting yourself, I was already there and you were protecting me.

possible I suppose

[mauchow]

Ah gotcha. I agree with GE (and that's rare), desperation move.
It is what is. I am what I am.

This was my response to darth when he brought up that it was a desperation move. In this post, I confirmed that I was indeed desperate and also to hint that what I said earlier about me having a role, was true. I am what I am. I didn't say, I agree, I am the Seer, don't vote me. Everyone else took it and ran with it saying that I was the Seer.

If I am the best option to lynch for this day make sure we've exhausted all our options otherwise this will be another day in which we gain NOTHING. See: Yesterday. And then I can join up with Jackal and make people feel bad! HAHA!

[Zinto]

I am not sure if I am sold on Mau being a wolf even though inferring like he did to a role while being a villager with a "minor" role maybe reason enough to lynch him. I am not sure we should make this another run away vote because we will have two days of worthless voting history but on the other hand a lynch of Mau would clear up a few questions about day one.

[Autumn]

Oh I just want to double emphasize that the seer shouldn't reveal this weekend to clear this up, especially given that Mauboy could be the brutal wolf.

[mauchow]

Oh I just want to double emphasize that the seer shouldn't reveal this weekend to clear this up, especially given that Mauboy could be the brutal wolf.

The point of me coming out was to make sure the seer didn't reveal themselves. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

[Autumn]

The point of me coming out was to make sure the seer didn't reveal themselves. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

It's not difficult to comprehend, it's just not very believable. EF very clearly listed a lot of roles for this game, the chance that there's some additional unknown role is so slim that I'm willing to vote myself out of the game if that's the case.

[Chief Rum]

Sorry, mau, no way I buy this. Even if I did, you essentially fall into the same spot The Jackal is, where we have to kill you to be sure.

As for your hints Autumn, I don't know what the Day One vote says, but it was a bit of a cluster****. It probably says a bunch of things that aren't true as well as hints the truth.

Regardless, know that I have been talking openly of the possibility mau is a wolf, and that I originated the theory which suggests Danny didn't get scanned because mau and Danny are fellow wolves, and mau didn't want to bring undue attention to his teammate. That whole theory is based on mau being a wolf.

[Danny]

Sorry, mau, no way I buy this. Even if I did, you essentially fall into the same spot The Jackal is, where we have to kill you to be sure.

As for your hints Autumn, I don't know what the Day One vote says, but it was a bit of a cluster****. It probably says a bunch of things that aren't true as well as hints the truth.

Regardless, know that I have been talking openly of the possibility mau is a wolf, and that I originated the theory which suggests Danny didn't get scanned because mau and Danny are fellow wolves, and mau didn't want to bring undue attention to his teammate. That whole theory is based on mau being a wolf.

If I was a wolf, Lathum would be dead right now.

[The Jackal]

The point of me coming out was to make sure the seer didn't reveal themselves. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

One of the only good points to come out of yesterday is that the seer shouldn't reveal at any point unless their team is in danger of being eliminated from the race AND their teammate is dead. Or if they've caught multiple wolves.

[The Jackal]

I for one find mau's story very hard to believe, but that's just a dead guy's opinion.

[EagleFan]

Can Zinto and I still PM?

Not anymore as you are out of the race portion. You may still participate in thread though.

[Autumn]

I don't think you two are on speaking terms anymore, Pass, not after that performance. ;-)

[Autumn]

If I was a wolf, Lathum would be dead right now.

While it's not 100%, I have to agree that if one of our most experienced players, like Danny, were a wolf they would have nailed Lathum while they had the chance. It's possible that A) they weren't the one who made the kill order, or B) they were desperate to hit the seer.

The second point is one to ponder. If the wolves knew what they were doing in leaving Lathum alive, but just really wanted to get the seer, that would suggest they were very worried that the next scan might be a deadly one for them. Interesting to ponder who they might be worried about getting scanned.

[bhlloy]

It's a no brainer again unfortunately. I'd like to bring Danny up as a candidate but the last page or so has me leaning away from him a little.

If he's not the seer, I see no reason not to do this with all the strange play so far. The benefits of knowing exactly where we stand far outweigh the negative of possibly losing a very minor role.

Vote Mauboy

[mauchow]

I'm going to go with the premise that if we know one of the partners is a villager, the other one has a high probability of being a mole. I think this would be a good move today despite everyone jumping on my bandwagon. And I do understand from your perspectives. I did make the mistake of pulling out the seer card but I've never played a game where someone did this. So when everyone was saying it's a terrible villager move, I felt really REALLY bad but hoped I could somewhat make up for it with what I thought was a decent move. Anyway, here's my vote.

vote goldeneagle

[Darth Vilus]

Okay, time to break this out...

I am a vanilla villager with a minor role that allows me to sneak around behind the scenes two times with the possibility of a third (depending on the amazing race portion of the game... I would have to make it to the top 5 to get an additional roll of film). The description given to me likened it to me being "Paparazzi", in that I can catch discriminating evidence on someone.

Once Lathum brought out that he was the Body Guard, I thought it was a perfect opportunity to take on the "Seer" role to bring the heat on me since it was somewhat assumed that's what I meant by what I said day 1. I wanted to try luring the wolves into trying to kill me last night, so I could take pictures of Lathum, hoping I would catch the moles in action. Obviously I came up empty handed last night. But one thing for sure, it DEFINITELY gave the impression that he IS the bodyguard. And from the limited detail, it almost sounded like he may have protected himself again last night..

What this means going forward?

I have one more roll of film to snap a few pictures at night unless I get to the top 5.

Chief Rum is not cleared.

Lathum is cleared as our bodyguard.

I'd lynch him on principal alone just for putting the seer in danger.

I don't buy his second reveal, sounds like he tried to get the seer and when that didn't work he tried to save himself by twisting his original reveal.

[EagleFan]

Leg One in Pictures

http://www.wildnatureimages.com/images%203/060319-064..jpg

http://www.urbanphotos.net/images/LVCD2/slides/mccarran_airport08.jpg

http://www.allairports.net/images/los-angeles-airport-picture.jpg

http://www.webbusca.com.br/pagam/rio_de_janeiro/rio_de_janeiro_copacabana.jpg

http://www.histoire-fr.com/images/christ_redempteur_rio_de_janeiro.gif

[EagleFan]

Leg Two In Pictures

http://cache.virtualtourist.com/294886-Travel_Picture-Falkland_Islands.jpg

http://www.timvp.com/sa106.jpg

http://www.submerged.co.uk/stanley%20nineteen%20big.jpg

http://cache.virtualtourist.com/4772598-Travel_Picture-Stanley.jpg

[Darth Vilus]

Where are the old timers in the pics?

[cougarfreak]

The point of me coming out was to make sure the seer didn't reveal themselves. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

Wow, I'm inexperienced, but I'm not sure about this.

[Chief Rum]

Wow, I'm inexperienced, but I'm not sure about this.

You're right to question it, cougar, which is one reason why a bunch of us aren't buying mau's reveal.

[mauchow]

I'm inexperienced as well, which is why I did what I did. I did something stupid initially and came out before the seer would have to reveal himself.

I've got one more roll of camera left, if you guys want me to use it before voting me out, I'll use it tonight in hopes that I find SOMETHING. You already know you want to kill me, so save it for the next day but give me one last shot to help out the village is all I'm asking.

[mauchow]

Roll of film...obviously.

[The Jackal]

I'm inexperienced as well, which is why I did what I did. I did something stupid initially and came out before the seer would have to reveal himself.

I've got one more roll of camera left, if you guys want me to use it before voting me out, I'll use it tonight in hopes that I find SOMETHING. You already know you want to kill me, so save it for the next day but give me one last shot to help out the village is all I'm asking.

Devil's advocate here is that the role you are claiming is just as likely to be a wolf role that could be user to identify the seer, so I doubt people want to postpone your death very much. Still thinking it's most likely you're just lying about the role, though.

[EagleFan]

Where are the old timers in the pics?

You asked...

[EagleFan]

:D

[Zinto]

Dang Pass and me are pretty good looking.

[JAG]

Vote mauboy

People have pretty much given all the good reasons, but to summarize, as far as I can tell, there's nothing in the rules about any possibility of a hidden role and this gives a pretty clear explanation why the wolves haven't targeted mau either N1 or N2, especially in light of Jackal being revealed as a villager. Of course, this is the second day in a row I've felt pretty sure about my voting and I was wrong yesterday, but nevertheless, I don't think the odds are in favor of mau telling the truth and I can't imagine a better candidate will come along.

[JAG]

One of the only good points to come out of yesterday is that the seer shouldn't reveal at any point unless their team is in danger of being eliminated from the race AND their teammate is dead. Or if they've caught multiple wolves.

Even if they've caught multiple wolves, I don't know that they should come out unless they're in the second half of the race group and/or the upcoming leg looks really unfavorable from a skills standpoint or if they are NK'ed. We're going to get the benefit of the scans so long as they avoid the double-elimination, so we may as well abuse the talk-after-death mechanism for all it's worth while still playing it fairly conservatively.

[JAG]

EF, great pics. I feel like traveling after seeing them.

[Danny]

Even if they've caught multiple wolves, I don't know that they should come out unless they're in the second half of the race group and/or the upcoming leg looks really unfavorable from a skills standpoint or if they are NK'ed. We're going to get the benefit of the scans so long as they avoid the double-elimination, so we may as well abuse the talk-after-death mechanism for all it's worth while still playing it fairly conservatively.

On this note, deadline for race is an hour earlier, so hopefully they watch the results and then can post their scans if it looks like they will be eliminated.

[Passacaglia]

Dang Pass and me are pretty good looking.

True dat...wait, which one am I?

[Autumn]

All right, looks like nothing's come up while I was gone. This vote is as clear is it gets for me.

[hoopsguy]

I'll join in the parade on Mauboy, nothing terribly new to add on top of what others have said up to this point.

VOTE MAUBOY

[ntndeacon]

I will join the throng. regardless whether mau is telling the truth or not it will be enlightening.

Vote mauboy

[Lathum]

vote Mauboy

[PackerFanatic]

VOTE MAUBOY

[Chief Rum]

AVANLANCHE!!!!!

VOTE MAUBOY1

[Chief Rum]

Damn, typo in "avalanche" while trying for a funny; can't even edit it.

[EagleFan]

Corrected the team list to reflect the correct team being eliminated. Not sure what I was drinking Friday night.

[Zinto]

Well I do not want to be left out.

Vote Mau

[bhlloy]

In the interests of disclosure, I have to go back to the UK for a family illness, so I'll be traveling from this evening until sometime Tuesday afternoon. I've given EF conditional voting instructions for tomorrow just in case and I'll be around this afternoon, but it doesn't look like there's gonna be much movement on this right now regardless

[hoopsguy]

So just doing a little brainstorming on the results the other day ... it looks like there were only two teams who grasped the travel patterns for Rio to Falklands. When I was crafting the telegram to Chief Rum that discussed this, I was at least a little concerned with the idea that the wolves might be benefit from me doing a little research. The fact that only one other team had this order, rather than 2-4 other teams, makes me feel a little better about my teammate.

[Chief Rum]

In the interests of disclosure, I have to go back to the UK for a family illness, so I'll be traveling from this evening until sometime Tuesday afternoon. I've given EF conditional voting instructions for tomorrow just in case and I'll be around this afternoon, but it doesn't look like there's gonna be much movement on this right now regardless

Sorry to hear about the family trouble, bhlloy. I hope your relative gets better quickly.

[Danny]

Such an action filled day. Oh and you should have kept the hoops/cr team eliminated.

[Danny]

Based on my teams results so far, if Mau is a wolf, he sure hasn't done a good job of leaking info to our team.

[Lathum]

In the interests of disclosure, I have to go back to the UK for a family illness, so I'll be traveling from this evening until sometime Tuesday afternoon. I've given EF conditional voting instructions for tomorrow just in case and I'll be around this afternoon, but it doesn't look like there's gonna be much movement on this right now regardless

hope all is ok...

[Danny]

So just doing a little brainstorming on the results the other day ... it looks like there were only two teams who grasped the travel patterns for Rio to Falklands. When I was crafting the telegram to Chief Rum that discussed this, I was at least a little concerned with the idea that the wolves might be benefit from me doing a little research. The fact that only one other team had this order, rather than 2-4 other teams, makes me feel a little better about my teammate.

Right now I feel pretty good about you, CR and Autumn.

[Lathum]

Right now I feel pretty good about you, CR and Autumn.

cough cough

[Danny]

cough cough

I feel really good about you :p

[Lathum]

I feel really good about you :p

Thanks!

The only think that makes me wonder about Mau is I did guard him last night, so he may be seeing someting somewhat accurate if he is truthful about his reveal.

The problem with that is the way he worded it doesn't really make much sense when you match it up with my roles description. Plus, it wouldn't be a stretch for the wolves to assume I guarded Mau last night after guarding myself N1.

[GoldenEagle]

VOTE MAUBOY1

I think I have ran the I am seer do don't lynch me play before. The time to confess to such plan was Friday, not spew us with more BS. Since he is now admitting that he was never the seer, it does us virtually no harm to lynch him.

[Autumn]

Right now I feel pretty good about you, CR and Autumn.

Danny's trying to get on my good side. I'm curious why me though.

[Danny]

All three names I mentioned are very experienced/strong players. I believe that if any of you three were wolves, Lathum would likely be dead now.

[Lathum]

All three names I mentioned are very experienced/strong players. I believe that if any of you three were wolves, Lathum would likely be dead now.

Yeah, there really is no good reason I am alive.

[Autumn]

Ah, well, yeah that's probably true.

[cougarfreak]

I thought it was fishy yesterday, first time I've really checked in today. I don't see anything to change my mind.


vote mauboy

[CrimsonFox]

VOTE FRACQUCHFRESCA

[Lathum]

VOTE FRACQUCHFRESCA

I'M A FORMAL SPECIAL AGENT!! I LOVE MY COUNTRY!!!

[CrimsonFox]

As to the speculation on Danny, [*SNIP*] It's unlikely but certainly possible that random.org put two wolves together...

I'm going to go with the premise that if we know one of the partners is a villager, the other one has a high probability of being a mole.

Okay, let's talk statistics.

There are 20 players. Let's assume 5 wolves.

If I am a wolf, there is a 4 in 19 chance I will be paired with a wolf.
4/19 = a 21% Chance of two wolves being together. This is neither a high probability nor would I call it unlikely.

If 4 wolves, then 16%. But I think there are 5 wolves. If not then unlikely is the closer word. Certainly not HIGH probability.

[Danny]

I think the whole it's unlikely two wolves would be teammates argument is weak. If Mauboy turns up wolf, it does not make me any more or less likely to be a wolf.

[Danny]

In regards to random % that is.

[CrimsonFox]

I think the whole it's unlikely two wolves would be teammates argument is weak. If Mauboy turns up wolf, it does not make me any more or less likely to be a wolf.

Exactly.

[hoopsguy]

Well, at some point I expect this game to get interesting again ... the last couple of days have just been a little bit odd.

I also feel a little bad about the "death of the fake reveal", based on results of the last couple of days. It is obvious that no one is buying something out of the ordinary in games, even when a person is telling the truth like Jackal was yesterday. It makes me sad to know I will have so little latitude the next time I'm a wolf caught with my hand in the cookie jar :)

[Lathum]

Well, at some point I expect this game to get interesting again ... the last couple of days have just been a little bit odd.

I also feel a little bad about the "death of the fake reveal", based on results of the last couple of days. It is obvious that no one is buying something out of the ordinary in games, even when a person is telling the truth like Jackal was yesterday. It makes me sad to know I will have so little latitude the next time I'm a wolf caught with my hand in the cookie jar :)

Had EF put in the rules "additional roles may exist in the game" it would be a different ballgame.

And I will add if there are hidden roles then it sucks for Mau that EF didn't include it and hung him out to dry.

[Darth Vilus]

Vote Mauboy1

Sorry that I don't have more to contribute at the moment, I'm soooo tired. Went to bed at 2, woke up at 6 and had school. Today isn't super important though, we're all lynching Mau. I'll be better tomorrow

[Darth Vilus]

Vote Mauboy1

[EagleFan]

Quiet today. I guess the weekend hangover is still in effect.

[saldana]

Okay, let's talk statistics.

There are 20 players. Let's assume 5 wolves.

If I am a wolf, there is a 4 in 19 chance I will be paired with a wolf.
4/19 = a 21% Chance of two wolves being together. This is neither a high probability nor would I call it unlikely.

If 4 wolves, then 16%. But I think there are 5 wolves. If not then unlikely is the closer word. Certainly not HIGH probability.

there are not 5 wolves, at least if EF is maintaining the normal balance in FOFC games, which has been proven to be 4:1...5 wolves would make it 15:5...i dont think i have ever been a 3:1 game...there are 4 wolves and one is already dead

sorry all that i have not been around for the past few days...i know i missed the vote friday (not that it mattered), but there was much drinking to be done and several cute girls to hang out with.

i dont like the fact that mau is claiming a role that doesnt show on the the list, and no mention of hidden roles has been made by EF, so i have no problem with today...it would be different if he actually tried to give us a wolf so we could prove him, but this just doesnt make sense to me.

vote mau

[Autumn]

Well, at some point I expect this game to get interesting again ... the last couple of days have just been a little bit odd.

I also feel a little bad about the "death of the fake reveal", based on results of the last couple of days. It is obvious that no one is buying something out of the ordinary in games, even when a person is telling the truth like Jackal was yesterday. It makes me sad to know I will have so little latitude the next time I'm a wolf caught with my hand in the cookie jar :)

Not true though, Tyketime got a ton of mileage out of a fake reveal last game, which people bought hook, line and sinker. Some games are open to it, that's all.

[Autumn]

I know I've been quiet mostly because all the thoughts i have are based on Mauboy being a wolf, and some voting analysis and hunches. I don't want to go ahead and put those all out there until the lynch, in case it's all wrong, and because I'd rather keep an eye on those I suspect and see if I'm right.

[saldana]

Obviously I'm the only person forced on a Friday night to sit at my computer working on a rush project all night.

hahahahahaha....i was so drunk when you posted this it wasnt even fair

[Autumn]

hahahahahaha....i was so drunk when you posted this it wasnt even fair

Is it too late to get a run on Saldana going? ;-)

[CrimsonFox]

As I might be out of this whole thing in the next couple days (as toward the back of the pack), I want to reveal something minor to think about. It may be nothing. It may be something. Just keep this in mind down the road.

My partner GoldenEagle hasn't said a word privately about the race all game. I've asked him questions, made race suggestions, and kept him informed and I've received back no replies. Only reply I got was one message telling me what he put his stat bonus towards, but as far as leg to leg stuff he's been totally silent.

This could be nothing. It could be three things.
1) He may just be busy with work, busy with kids, busy with other things...but he did send that one email and hasn't made any excuse saying "Sorry, I've been busy with so and so. You keep sending in the orders". He's also kept voting.
2) He's not into this game. That's possible. Some people just become inactive when they realize they don't like it. He already said he knows nothing about the amazing race so maybe he just doesn't want to play. BUT he did send me that message of the other stuff. He also has voted so he's not entirely inactive.
3) He's too busy with the wolf stuff and cares more about that than the race. This would explain why he's fed me just enough that I know he's there. If he's a wolf, he probably doesn't want to say anything and I mean anything that might tip me off that he's a wolf, thus staying quiet. He might also have been cool with the voting for me plan. His statement at the beginning of the game about "he'd sell out his partner to find a wolf" seemed rather strident for the beginning of the game. LIke a wolf saying "I'm a villager and will do villager things".

So all 3 things make me suspicious. To counter all this of course is the fact that Mauboy is voting for him now. I don't think mau would try to throw suspicion on another wolf. That's what blows this whole thought up.

I don't want this thought to affect today's vote at all. Just something to think about in the future, especially if I'm last today.

[EagleFan]

Doing some of the prep work for the race...

Teaser alert............


Race Changing Event Roll

[Autumn]

It's interesting that you post that, CF. I'll go ahead and say that GoldenEagle is my top suspect, I have been planning on voting for him for a couple days. I'd have to go back and put together a list of the reasons why. But basically they include a vote Day 1 that could be construed as trying to help save Mauboy, and his reactions in thread to the whole Mauboy/Lathum/Jackal stuff.

I also found it interesting that Mauboy voted him - the wolves clearly knew he was going down at that point so it would have been wise of them to offer up a wolf and throw us off that trail, but I'm not sure they're thinking that many levels deep this game.

[Passacaglia]

Okay, everyone should reveal their race now before deadline, then we can see what race we are after deadline, just to cover our tracks.

I am white.

[mauchow]

As I might be out of this whole thing in the next couple days (as toward the back of the pack), I want to reveal something minor to think about. It may be nothing. It may be something. Just keep this in mind down the road.

My partner GoldenEagle hasn't said a word privately about the race all game. I've asked him questions, made race suggestions, and kept him informed and I've received back no replies. Only reply I got was one message telling me what he put his stat bonus towards, but as far as leg to leg stuff he's been totally silent.

This could be nothing. It could be three things.
1) He may just be busy with work, busy with kids, busy with other things...but he did send that one email and hasn't made any excuse saying "Sorry, I've been busy with so and so. You keep sending in the orders". He's also kept voting.
2) He's not into this game. That's possible. Some people just become inactive when they realize they don't like it. He already said he knows nothing about the amazing race so maybe he just doesn't want to play. BUT he did send me that message of the other stuff. He also has voted so he's not entirely inactive.
3) He's too busy with the wolf stuff and cares more about that than the race. This would explain why he's fed me just enough that I know he's there. If he's a wolf, he probably doesn't want to say anything and I mean anything that might tip me off that he's a wolf, thus staying quiet. He might also have been cool with the voting for me plan. His statement at the beginning of the game about "he'd sell out his partner to find a wolf" seemed rather strident for the beginning of the game. LIke a wolf saying "I'm a villager and will do villager things".

So all 3 things make me suspicious. To counter all this of course is the fact that Mauboy is voting for him now. I don't think mau would try to throw suspicion on another wolf. That's what blows this whole thought up.

I don't want this thought to affect today's vote at all. Just something to think about in the future, especially if I'm last today.
OMG THS IZ Y I VTD FOR GE!!! LETS TURN IT AROUND QUICK!

On a serious note... I'm thinking it's not too late to turn this thing around. Who's with me? I want to take another role. I want to see what funny thing EF sends me with my roll of film. For Lathum, it went into more detail about how he was looking into a peep hole at the Girl Power team with his pants down. Not relevant but funny nonetheless.

[mauchow]

take another roll. Although maybe role is more fitting, but, roll..

[cougarfreak]

OMG THS IZ Y I VTD FOR GE!!! LETS TURN IT AROUND QUICK!

On a serious note... I'm thinking it's not too late to turn this thing around. Who's with me? I want to take another role. I want to see what funny thing EF sends me with my roll of film. For Lathum, it went into more detail about how he was looking into a peep hole at the Girl Power team with his pants down. Not relevant but funny nonetheless.

Yeah, I'd say it's too late to turn it around. I'm still thing that BS stuff was nothing more than a lame ass attempt to save your furry hide. Looks like we'll find out in a few.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, seriously. Turn things around in just two minutes? Yer insane, dood!

[Autumn]

Well, it's an hour until lynch time guys.

[cougarfreak]

Well, it's an hour until lynch time guys.

Well, shoot, there I go again, showing how much I know!

[CrimsonFox]

Okay, everyone should reveal their race now before deadline, then we can see what race we are after deadline, just to cover our tracks.

I am white.

:jester::jester::jester::jester:

[Zinto]

I am open to the discusion of switching from Mau to GoldenEagle but I am not sure if the pros outweigh the cons of doing so. I feel as though a lynch of Mau will tell us more about day one then anyone else right now. Plus if Mau comes up clean then we can always check out Golden tomorrow.

[Autumn]

But you guys will be too busy thrilling to my exploits in the race to even think about changing your vote.

[EagleFan]

JAG and mckerney start their race for Leg 3. They find their way back to Argentina and book a flight which will eventually take them to Hong King. The race is back underway.

[mauchow]

Well, I only need like 8 votes on GE to flip this thing around. What else can I do to help? Should I go back to being a seer? I will be a plain villager after tonight if I use my last roll.. or at least until leg 5 if I make it that far.

[saldana]

i literally just spent 45 minutes trying to figure out the fastest way to get from the falklands to macau..are the spots in the actual show this difficult to get to and from?

[cougarfreak]

Pair of Amazing Nuts are coming for the lead!

[Autumn]

I think you'd have a tough sell switching people to GE, a relative unknown, other than maybe to me. Why did you pick him, Mauboy, for your vote?

[EagleFan]

Team Ten "Team Fembot Terminator Squad" are the next to start the leg. They check the local flights and see nothing soon so they are on a boat heading towards Argentina. From there they have a flight booked to Hong Kong.

Lathum and The Jackal are next off and on their way. Lathum calls into some of his contacts in Vegas and they set him up with a flight which will connect into Macau. They first must head to Argentina and hop on the boat and are underway.

[mauchow]

I think you'd have a tough sell switching people to GE, a relative unknown, other than maybe to me. Why did you pick him, Mauboy, for your vote?

As I explained, I was playing the odds in that his partner was a villager so there is a slightly better chance of him being a wolf(but apparently that's not necessarily accurate...?).. and that he's been extremely quiet. There have been a few quiet players though, but him probably the most.

[EagleFan]

The remaining teams filter their way back into the race.

Team Nine, cougarfreak and PackerFanatic "The Pair of Amazing Nuts" finds a flight which will take them to Hong Kong.

Team Eight, Autumn an ntndeacon "The Reebok Ultra Team" poses for photo ops and signs autographs to enlist locals to help them. They book a flight which will take them into Macau.

Team Two, MartinD and saldana find themselves a flight which will take them eventually into Macau.

Team Five, CrimsonFox and GoldenEagle boat to Argentina and are on a flight taking them into Macau.

Team One, Darth Vilus and bhlloy find themselves booked into Hong Kong after getting back to Argentina.

Team Six, mauboy1 and Danny end up on a flight which will take them into Macau.

[Autumn]

Mauboy, remind me who you "photographed" on the previous nights?

[EagleFan]

As all teams are in the air the teams break down as follows (though not all on the same planes)...

Into Hong Kong:
JAG and mckerney
Chief Rum and hoopsguy
cougarfreak and PackerFanatic
Darth Vilus and bhlloy

Into Macau:
Lathum and The Jackal
Autumn and ntndeacon
MartinD and saldana
CrmsonFox and GoldenEagle
mauboy1 and Danny

[mauchow]

Mauboy, remind me who you "photographed" on the previous nights?

I only have two rolls of film in which I can use whenever I want. If I make it to the final 5 contestants in the Race where I would be awarded another roll. I used it on lathum last 'night' and found him hunkered down by himself in a defensive position apparently protecting me since I was actually already there snapping photos.

[EagleFan]

The teams flying to Macau have a connection to make first while those flying into Hing Kong get to fly directly into Hong Kong....

[EagleFan]

Teams start landing in Hong Kong and get stuck standing in line in customs...

The teams flying into Macau are filtering onto their connection...

[mauchow]

unvote goldeneagle
vote goldeneagle

Trying to create some action here!

[EagleFan]

Soon the teams flying into Macau make up the time as the teams flying into Hong Kong get caught in the massive confusion attempting to get to the ferry to get into Macau.

Flying into Macau yields little time getting through customs and are right near teir next destination...

[EagleFan]

Chief Rum and hoopsguy reach the roadblock first, folowed shortly thereafter by Lathum and The Jackal as well as JAG and mckerney...

[EagleFan]

The challenge is to eat through a bowl of chicken feet...

hoopsguy starts out and she seems to be a pro at shoving things into her mouth and swallowing. She is the first one done and they are on thei way.

[mauchow]

MAUBOY AND DANNY! YOU ARE THE FIRST TIME TO ARRIVE! FROM 9TH TO 1ST!!!

[EagleFan]

JAG does well for his team and they are the second team on their way.

The Jackal is struggling. He gets part of the way through and begins to break down. Soon he is vomiting...

[mauchow]

http://turbo.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2010/05/lady-gaga-paparazzi.jpg

[EagleFan]

Autumn and ntndeacon arrive while Jackal is vomiting.

CrimnsonFox and GoldenEagle are next; followed by saldana and MartinD.

[EagleFan]

Jackal finished just before ntndeacon and they maintain a slight ead as both teams are on their way to the next challenge...

[CrimsonFox]

The challenge is to eat through a bowl of chicken feet...

hoopsguy starts out and she seems to be a pro at shoving things into her mouth and swallowing. She is the first one done and they are on thei way.

Are we sure there isn't a "slut" role in this game?

[EagleFan]

Darth Vilus and bhlloy arrive second to last followed only by Danny and mauboy1.

Darth Vilus takes the challenge for his team and mauboy1 does it for their team.

mauboy1 had a large deficit to make up for and he almost closes the gap.

[Autumn]

Combine the slut with the paparrazi and we might have ourselves the hottest WW game yet.

[EagleFan]

The first four teams to get to the detour are...

Team Ten with a decent lead
Team Four
Team Three very close to team three
Team Eight right in the race

[Autumn]

Team Three, it's amazing how close you two are.

[CrimsonFox]

I was thinking that too. :) Team 3 is close to....team 3. Imagine if Team 3 was INSIDE of team 3. That would cause spontaneous combustion.

[EagleFan]

Team Ten chooses to Jump for It.

The two switch off and take their turns and each see right where the next clue is located on their jumps. They are quickly out of their harnesses (seems like something they have done before) and are on their way.

JAG and mckerney also chose to Jump for It. They do well and are on their way after taking just one jump each.

The Jackal and Lathum try to Score It. Each must take two tries but are surprisingly successful.

ntndeacon and Autumn go for Score It. They use their physical abilities and score quickly and are on their way. each taking just one shot.

[Autumn]

Man, can't get a leg up on this group.

[saldana]

thats not a very good hockey phenom...lathum is a shitty hockey player!

[Autumn]

Maybe what's phenomenal is how bad the goalie is.

[EagleFan]

Highlights of the other teams are...

Darth Vilus and bhlloy scoring on their second shots and moving along quickly.

MartinD and saldana stuggling epicly as their were tried Jump for It. It seems they could not locate the landmark that they needed. A huge fight erupts between them but they eventually move on.

CrimsonFox and GoldenEagle looked like they had the most fun at Jump for It. CrimsonFox is seen on camera doing a tarzan yell as he falls from the tower.

mauboy1 and Danny chose to Jump for It and make up a lo of time by getting it on their first attempt.

cougarfreak and PackerFanatic do well at Jump for it and make up a lot of time.

[EagleFan]

As we go to the finish line we see...

An excited Chief Rum and hoopsguy jumping on the mat... Phil looks very happy...

You are the first team to arrive.

[EagleFan]

JAG and Mckerney arrive to the mat in second place.

They are followed by...

Lathum and The Jackal in 3rd...

Autumn and ntndeacon in 4th...

CrimsonFox and GoldenEagle in 5th...

[EagleFan]

PackerFanatic and cougarfreak in 6th...

[EagleFan]

saldana and MartinD in 7th...

[EagleFan]

Darth Vilus and bhlloy appear to have had trouble finding the pitstop...

[EagleFan]

Danny and mauboy1 have completed their task and are searching as well.

[Lathum]

thats not a very good hockey phenom...lathum is a shitty hockey player!

jealously rears its ugly head

[GoldenEagle]

As I might be out of this whole thing in the next couple days (as toward the back of the pack), I want to reveal something minor to think about. It may be nothing. It may be something. Just keep this in mind down the road.

My partner GoldenEagle hasn't said a word privately about the race all game. I've asked him questions, made race suggestions, and kept him informed and I've received back no replies. Only reply I got was one message telling me what he put his stat bonus towards, but as far as leg to leg stuff he's been totally silent.

This could be nothing. It could be three things.
1) He may just be busy with work, busy with kids, busy with other things...but he did send that one email and hasn't made any excuse saying "Sorry, I've been busy with so and so. You keep sending in the orders". He's also kept voting.
2) He's not into this game. That's possible. Some people just become inactive when they realize they don't like it. He already said he knows nothing about the amazing race so maybe he just doesn't want to play. BUT he did send me that message of the other stuff. He also has voted so he's not entirely inactive.
3) He's too busy with the wolf stuff and cares more about that than the race. This would explain why he's fed me just enough that I know he's there. If he's a wolf, he probably doesn't want to say anything and I mean anything that might tip me off that he's a wolf, thus staying quiet. He might also have been cool with the voting for me plan. His statement at the beginning of the game about "he'd sell out his partner to find a wolf" seemed rather strident for the beginning of the game. LIke a wolf saying "I'm a villager and will do villager things".

So all 3 things make me suspicious. To counter all this of course is the fact that Mauboy is voting for him now. I don't think mau would try to throw suspicion on another wolf. That's what blows this whole thought up.

I don't want this thought to affect today's vote at all. Just something to think about in the future, especially if I'm last today.

To be honest, I am just not that into the Amazing Race portion of the game. You, however, do seem to be into it. So I just kind of let you handle it. I have watched the show before, but I am really just interested in the WW portion.

That does not, however, mean I am a wolf. If mauboy comes back as a wolf, I pretty much have the best voting record of anyone.

[saldana]

we are now 10 minutes past the WW deadline....enough with the one line result posts!!!!!

[EagleFan]

Both teams seem to spot the pitstop but they are both on opposite ends of the "pond" in front of the Venetian.

They are both sprinting for it...

Darth Vilus has slipped and twisted an ankle, he is struggling...

[saldana]

jealously rears its ugly head

so does your spelling ability!

[EagleFan]

Danny and mauboy1 make the mat first... they are team number 8.

Darth Vilus and bhlloy; you are the last team to arrive. You have been eliminated from the race...

[EagleFan]

now for the WW results

[mauchow]

BAHA! YEAH BABY! Team 6 rules bitches!

[Lathum]

That does not, however, mean I am a wolf. If mauboy comes back as a wolf, I pretty much have the best voting record of anyone.

not always a good thing

[EagleFan]

You feel that mauboy1 is indeed a mole. He has been spinnign enough lies all race, or so you feel.

After interogating him you find the truth...

He is a mole, but just a vanilla one.

An executive tells you that you have done a good job so far and encourages you to keep it up.

[Autumn]

Wear more sensible shoes, next time, Darth.

[Autumn]

If mauboy comes back as a wolf, I pretty much have the best voting record of anyone.

I'm curious as to what makes you think so.

[saldana]

nicely done by the real seer not to fall in to the trap!

[EagleFan]

As you prepare for the next leg of the race you notice that another person is now wearing a t-shirt for a rival reality show.

It is Darth Vilus, spraned ankle and all.

He is not only out of the race but now completely out of the game.

Darth Vilus was the talent specialist; the seer.

[Autumn]

Aw crap!

[EagleFan]

I have a lot of housekeeping for both parts of the game. Will post the 4th leg shortly.

[Autumn]

That really, really sucks. I wish he had been on near deadline to let us know.

[cougarfreak]

Thought so.......

[mauchow]

Well, I fucked that up. Sorry moles! We still got this one wrapped up!

My rolls of film came back....the two hawt chicks were making out while the other nine teams were watching and enjoying themselves.

[Zinto]

As you prepare for the next leg of the race you notice that another person is now wearing a t-shirt for a rival reality show.

It is Darth Vilus, spraned ankle and all.

He is not only out of the race but now completely out of the game.

Darth Vilus was the talent specialist; the seer.


Worst night ever.

[CrimsonFox]

SHIT!!!!!!! I saw that coming as DV was the other person that didn't buy mauboy's ball of crap. Never suspected he was the seer. Now he can't tell us his scans. :(

[cougarfreak]

Well shit Darth

[saldana]

That really, really sucks. I wish he had been on near deadline to let us know.

he can still give us his results though, or did that rule get changed while i was at happy hour?

[Autumn]

He's out of the race, and killed, so no he can't.

[Autumn]

Anyone think that his team got sabotaged? Some pretty bad luck there at the end. If the wolves knew somehow, or were really, really sure, they might have used points against his team to try to double knock him out.

[Lathum]

well that pretty much screws us unless he told bholly who he scanned

[Lathum]

SHIT!!!!!!! I saw that coming as DV was the other person that didn't buy mauboy's ball of crap. Never suspected he was the seer. Now he can't tell us his scans. :(

errr

I'm pretty sure none of us bought it

[mauchow]

As you prepare for the next leg of the race you notice that another person is now wearing a t-shirt for a rival reality show.

It is Darth Vilus, spraned ankle and all.

He is not only out of the race but now completely out of the game.

Darth Vilus was the talent specialist; the seer.

Wait. I was the seer! No. I was the Paparazzi! NO! Darth was the seer! BAHAHA! GO GET 'EM MOLIES!

[PackerFanatic]

Anyone think that his team got sabotaged? Some pretty bad luck there at the end. If the wolves knew somehow, or were really, really sure, they might have used points against his team to try to double knock him out.

That was my first thought too...especially with how far behind last place seemed to be before this leg.

[PackerFanatic]

Either the wolves got really lucky or they had some damn good inside knowledge...either way, that is some rotten luck.

[hoopsguy]

Can Darth's teammate give us some insight into how they expected to do in this competition? Were they going to have a difficult time with it regardless of any tampering, or were the results shockingly bad?

If it is the latter, then the earlier comments on "silly wolf kills!" seem to be out of place. They were clearly committed to getting the seer rather than worrying about the bodyguard.

[hoopsguy]

Also, if Darth's teammate is still in the race - time to look that person up - then hopefully Darth shared his scan results with that person.

We can't take them as 100% gospel - could be a wolf teammate, after all - but it would be something to consider going forward.

[Lathum]

I would very much like to hear what bholly has to say

[hoopsguy]

Ah, bhlloy - that makes sense, as that was the person I thought was the seer based on gut recollection of thread, not a careful re-read. It would make sense for him to question the seer reveal if he knew that his teammate was the seer.

Well, hopefully if/when we takes care of real-world stuff there is some info to share ...

[EagleFan]

1st - Team Ten
2nd - Team Four (+0:10)
3rd - Team Three (+0:25)
4th - Team Eight (+0:30)
5th - Team Five (+1:00)
6th - Team Nine (+1:15)
7th - Team Two (+2:05)
8th - Team Six (+3:00)

[Lathum]

If it is the latter, then the earlier comments on "silly wolf kills!" seem to be out of place. They were clearly committed to getting the seer rather than worrying about the bodyguard.

Not sure I agree with this. They could have gotten me last night, but knew I would be protecting myself again tonight. I expect them to finish me tomorrow.

[EagleFan]

As everyone tries to prepare for the next leg you hear evil laughter...

[Lathum]

Not sure I agree with this. They could have gotten me last night, but knew I would be protecting myself again tonight. I expect them to finish me tomorrow.

by last night I mean N2 and tonight N3

[GoldenEagle]

It's interesting that you post that, CF. I'll go ahead and say that GoldenEagle is my top suspect, I have been planning on voting for him for a couple days. I'd have to go back and put together a list of the reasons why. But basically they include a vote Day 1 that could be construed as trying to help save Mauboy, and his reactions in thread to the whole Mauboy/Lathum/Jackal stuff.

I also found it interesting that Mauboy voted him - the wolves clearly knew he was going down at that point so it would have been wise of them to offer up a wolf and throw us off that trail, but I'm not sure they're thinking that many levels deep this game.

I figured this is what you were eluding to earlier when you were talking about voting patterns. My day 1 vote was for ntndeacon. I was not trying to turn the vote away from mauboy, but I didn't want to change my vote to a guy who proclaimed to be the seer.

When everyone was jumping on the Jackal bandwagon, I stayed off of it. I got the sense that he was not a wolf and I was correct. It would be easy for me to have hidden a vote on him.

[mckerney]

I'm curious as to what makes you think so.

I am to. Looking at GoldenEagle's voting history he voted for ntndeacon day one and didn't change to martind, voted for Danny day 2 and was about the 11th vote on mauboy for today. I'm not sure what makes that a good voting history.

[bhlloy]

Firstly fuckfuckfuck

Secondly it is a very good thing I saw this before my flight leaves in an hour or so. I'll keep this brief. Darth was keeping me in the loop, his night one scan was me and his second was GE. We both came up villager. I'm sure that will be met with a lot of skepticism but that's what was relayed to me. I'm sure I am the obvious target know and I understand that.

If this is the last post I can make, I would strongly recommend Danny for our vote tomorrow. His day 1 voting is very very suspicious and he clearly had a bs reason for going after CF who ended up dead the next night. But if I have to die to clear GE then I understand that's a smart play as well

So shoot... Let's hear some theories before I get on this plane

[bhlloy]

Fwiw I didn't know darth was the seer when I questioned mauboys reveal. If that is what got darth killed that really sucks. Maus reveal just smelled like shit - didn't find out about the real seer until the next morning

[hoopsguy]

Well, I think it probably makes sense to hit the Day 1 votes and see what might be gleaned from there. Voting movement, moreso than end votes. I know someone had posted this either Friday or over the weekend, time to find it and quote it so we've got it handy.

[Lathum]

bholly- did he say why he scanned GE N2?

[GoldenEagle]

I know I am good, so that leads me to believe that bhlloy is as well. It makes sense that he would scan his teammate. The wolves just got extremely lucky on this round.

I am leaning to a more experienced wolf team at this time. Danny is probably my number one suspect at this time, but that is based on a gut feeling more than anything concrete.

[cougarfreak]

bholly- did he say why he scanned GE N2?

Wondering this as well

[bhlloy]

Can Darth's teammate give us some insight into how they expected to do in this competition? Were they going to have a difficult time with it regardless of any tampering, or were the results shockingly bad?

If it is the latter, then the earlier comments on "silly wolf kills!" seem to be out of place. They were clearly committed to getting the seer rather than worrying about the bodyguard.

We were trying to save our effort points for later in the race. Don't suspect any wolf interference here. In hindsight we should have been trying to keep the seer alive as long ad possible not a smart move

[Lathum]

I know I am good, so that leads me to believe that bhlloy is as well. It makes sense that he would scan his teammate. The wolves just got extremely lucky on this round.

.

Dangerous logic.

If bholly is a wolf the obvious play is to say his teammate scanned him, as that is what most of us would do. From there all he has to do is pick a villager to say as the second scan.

I would say it very unlikely you would both be wolves, but bholly is far from clear in my book.

[EagleFan]

When you are allowed to begin you will start at the Venetian Macaua and must travel to Chennai. From there...

You have a clue to the Roadblock.
Who has nerve of steel on the road? Requires Travel, secondary Mental.


You have a clue to the Detour.

Wick It: One player must bowl a legal "pitch" on the cricket field and the other must contact and hit a pitch thrown by club bowler at least 10 meters. Requires Physical
- One player will be a bowler and must bowl a legal "pitch".
- The other must contact a pitch bowled from a club bowler and hit it at least 10 meters.

Sell it: Sell 10 pieces of silk. Requires Mental
- The team must sell 10 pieces of silk in a very busy market.
- These markets are cutthroat business and it will take a lot of haggling.

Pit Stop - Statue of Gandhi in Pondicherry

[cougarfreak]

Dangerous logic.

If bholly is a wolf the obvious play is to say his teammate scanned him, as that is what most of us would do. From there all he has to do is pick a villager to say as the second scan.

I would say it very unlikely you would both be wolves, but bholly is far from clear in my book.

Exactly it clears himself, then he gets on a plane......

[hoopsguy]

Well, this is interesting, here's what I have for hte Day vote order (the ending might not be complete but I'm looking at earlier in the day)

Autumn votes JAG
PF votes mauboy
lathum votes chief
mauboy votes chief (2)
danny votes jag (2)
jag votes autumn
bhlloy votes mauboy (2)
martin d votes mauboy (3)
chief rum votes mauboy (4)
mckerney votes mauboy (5)
chief unvotes mauboy (4)
danny unvotes jag
danny votes ntndeacon
jackal votes ntndeacon (2)
hoopsguy votes ntndeacon (3)
zinto votes chief rum (3)
ntndeacon votes chief (4)
pass votes ntn (4)
chief votes ntn (5)
cF votes mauboy (5)
ntn unvotes chief (3)
ntn votes mauboy (6)
darth votes mauboy (7)
cougar votes mauboy (8)
mauboy unvotes chief (2)
mauboy votes ntn (6)
golden eagle votes ntn (7)
saldana votes ntn (8)
lathum unvotes chief (1)
lathum votes ntn (8)
chief unvotes ntn (7)
chief votes mauboy (9)
autumn unvotes jag (0)
autumn votes mauboy (10)
ntn unvotes mau (9)
ntn votes jag (1)
danny unvote ntn (6)
danny votes CF
mau unvotes ntn (5)
mau votes crimson
chief unvotes mau
chief votes jag
autumn unvotes mauboy1
autumn votes JAG
autumn votes JAG

The earlier unvote of Mauboy looked bad for Chief, though his later vote of him looks good. I'll have to go back and see the context of those.

There is the post from Autumn.

Any chance that you have this with post numbers, Autumn?

[bhlloy]

bholly- did he say why he scanned GE N2?

He didn't - I had to ask and he didnt specify why. Probably had the same suspicions you guys did.

[Passacaglia]

He didn't - I had to ask and he didnt specify why. Probably had the same suspicions you guys did.

What suspicions were those? (this can be directed to bhlloy or the people who had suspicions)

[CrimsonFox]

I know I am good, so that leads me to believe that bhlloy is as well. It makes sense that he would scan his teammate. The wolves just got extremely lucky on this round.

I am leaning to a more experienced wolf team at this time. Danny is probably my number one suspect at this time, but that is based on a gut feeling more than anything concrete.

I feel better about you now GE. Especially since I've played plenty of games with people that looked inactive and they weren't wolves. The main thing tho is that mauboy wanted to vote for you today.

[Autumn]

There is the post from Autumn.

Any chance that you have this with post numbers, Autumn?

Thanks for finding it, sorry, I don't hoops. I tend to give up keeping track if I try to keep track of everything, so I went with a minimal system that day. Some interesting streaks in there though, I think we can clump some non-suspects and suspects based on that, if we assume NTN is good.

On the surface I tend to believe bhlloy. I think GE makes some sense as a scan target, I'll try to find the posts that pinged me later. Not 100% sure, of course, but it passes the initial sniff test for me as a "reveal".

Back in the morning.

[bhlloy]

I have or had no suspicions about GE. He was on mau and Danny from
Day 1. I'd have killed for a scan on Danny but I don't think darth was open to suggestions

[Passacaglia]

Just to be sure I have my head in the game (although I probably won't see replies on this until the morning), but Autumn's post isn't the entire Day 1, right? Day 1 was when we got MartinD, so all those votes happened before people started voting that way?

[Lathum]

I have or had no suspicions about GE. He was on mau and Danny from
Day 1. I'd have killed for a scan on Danny but I don't think darth was open to suggestions

hmmm

If I was seer and Darth my first two scans would be my partner (bholly) and my bff ( Danny)

[EagleFan]

Leg Three In Pictures

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/ba_joker/China/Taipei_Airport.jpg
Taipei Airport - Have been there and it is one of the cleanest looking airports, or buildings for that matter, that I have ever seen

http://larve.net/people/hugo/pictures/fb/public/img/131908544.jpg
Hong Kong Airport

http://www.travel-images.com/pht/hong-kong190.jpg
Hong Kong to Macau Ferry

http://macauhotels.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/macau-airport.jpg
Macau Aiport - Built on the sea, taxi across a bridge

http://www.noboundaries.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/chicken_feet_5x7_72_dpi.jpg
Chicken Feet - tried these but didn't like it (only tried it because the woman asking me to was an extremely hot Asian woman :))

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2025/2180140472_00bac36ecf_z.jpg
Macau Tower

http://www.cryonie.com/en/2009/images/venetian-macau.jpg
Venetian Macau - one of the largest buildings in the world; the pond oustside of it is bigger than the Venetian in Vegas

[bhlloy]

I'm not really going to defend myself here because I know how it looks and lynching me to clear the air is probably a good move. It's another no brainer as far as I can see

The one thing I will say is that if I was a wolf and I knew darth was the seer early on day 2 why didn't he die until night 3? There is no way in he'll I let him get another scan in. Of course you guys don't know I ever knew that darth was the seer - but something to think about

[hoopsguy]

Just to be sure I have my head in the game (although I probably won't see replies on this until the morning), but Autumn's post isn't the entire Day 1, right? Day 1 was when we got MartinD, so all those votes happened before people started voting that way?

Yes, I'm hoping to have time tomorrow (50/50 with work) to go digging through the posts and put together a complete list with post numbers and comments.

The initial look at Autumn's list suggests several votes that don't look very good in terms of trying to keep heat off of Mauboy ... an effort that failed.

Mau also put in the early "first 2nd vote" on Chief, which is another check in the good book for me for my teammate. Not trying at this point to clear my teammate, any more than I'm trying to bury him, but data points keep suggesting to me that he is good.

[The Jackal]

I'm pretty sure I would vomit if asked to eat chicken feet, so I can't really complain there.

Crappy situation with the seer. At least two wolves are out over three days.

[Darth Vilus]

Well damn, today was definitely not a good day for the Dark Lord.

Not a good day at all.

[Danny]

Not a good day, though I tend to believe bhlloy about DV's scans.

[Danny]

For the sake of full disclosure, my team did not use any aggression towards DV's team. We knew Mau was the lynch, so he used a total of 18 energy points today and we were hoping that was enough. We also had solid skills for the events.

[JAG]

Bah. Talk about going from high (nabbing another wolf, finishing in 2nd place) to low (seer biting it). At first I was inclined to think 'why in the world would Darth have told his teammate he was seer like Lathum told Jackal he was BG'...then I realized he scanned his partner N1 and told him D2 after making sure he was ok. That explanation makes sense to me. The only wrinkle could be if bhlloy is the cunning, as DV seemed to be an unusual night kill target otherwise, but then you'd have to believe they were willing to make a random kill N2 to throw off suspicion that they knew who the seer was. Considering we got really unlucky to have the seer get double-eliminated and there was a good chance the seer would've been able to come back and tell us the scans, aside from the statistical improbability that the seer and cunning would be teammates (that would be ludicrously bad luck), and I'm just going to go along with bhlloy telling the truth barring other analysis that would make me think otherwise.

Hopefully someone with more time can put together the D1 voting at various points and then I'll take a closer look, since we had a wolf on the line I imagine we have a good starting point for some candidates for today.

[Poli]

I've enjoyed this game. :)

[Danny]

I'll be out until about 7:30 eastern today. I was out of work all last week sick, so I expect it will be a busy day and I won't be able to check in much. I think I make a decent candidate for votes based on Mau's actions and now DV biting it, so I'll be sure to check in and be active as a I can after I get home.

[Passacaglia]

bhlloy -- did DV say anything about who he was going to scan last night?

[Danny]

Before I go though, I want to encourage people to look at day 1 votes, especially the first 4 voters on Mauboy. We now know that MartinD a fellow wolf put a 3rd vote on Mau. I can't see anymore wolves putting one of the early votes on him. I would lean towards heavily trusting Mau voters 1, 2 and 4.

[Autumn]

Okay, I'm going to admit htat going back and checking the posts that made me suspicious of Golden Eagle has only made me now think that he's not a wolf. I remembered that he was on my gut suspect list, but didn't remember precisely why. Looking back it's for reasons that now seem reversed - at the time he seemed to be okay with us voting Mauboy after his reveal, and later seemed to be the one trying to get something other than Jackal going. At the time that looked to me like a wolf seeing if he might subtly start a run on the seer, and a wolf seeing if he he could get heat off of Jackal.

Of course as it ends up Mauboy was the wolf and Jackal was not, so my former suspicions are now reversed into trust. It doesn't say anything one way or the other about bhlloy, except that I can understand why Darth would scan GE - on day 2 he was not eager to get on the Jackal train, and if Darth was assuming Jackal was bad, that might seem suspect. A pretty good scan I think.

As someone said, Bhlloy could easily pick a real villager to post as a fake scan just to buy credibility, so it doesn't say much about his claim other than that it holds up to scrutiny, unlike Mauboy's. Looking back through Darth's posts I can also see why the wolves might have suspected him as seer. They either got lucky with the race results or sabotaged. If no one comes out as having used aggression against their team it means either they just got unlucky, or we've got a wolf-wolf team out there.

With a cunning in the game the scan pretty much doesn't matter anyway. Killing GE won't tell us anything about its validity, killing Bhlloy will possibly clear GE. But unless we done one or the either we can't really go by anything he said.

I think our Day 1 voting records are going to be much more useful. There's several strong runs on Mauboy that should partially clear some people, and several runs away from him that might give us suspects.

[Autumn]

bhlloy, putting a second vote on Mauboy on day 1 seems odd, now that I realize he's your teammate. What was your reasoning for that?