PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

[KBLover]

Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

What he is asking is that they remove the CP "role"(which is all it really is in the editor) from the game, which in the long run, will give the end users no way to "force" a team to use a certain pitcher in the CP role putting you at the mercy of the CPU manager or to use 30 team control and keep putting the player back into the CP spot every time a move is made and the staff gets shuffled(unless you handle everything).

I'm curious - why would a user want to force a team to use a certain pitcher when he might be struggling and a team needs to make a change, or if hotshot reliever comes up and he's got the best stuff (or better stuff than the existing "CP")? Wouldn't users want CPU teams to field the best team they can and use their pitchers most effectively not just ignore a top level talent because he's not a "CP"?

In the real game, closers get changed and no one's "changing positions" from RP to CP. Was Rivera a "CP"? He was a SP that turned RP and then "CP". If the AI is beholden to the designation, how can it emulate a similar attempt at using a pitcher that might cause a similar career arc to develop?

[KBLover]

Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

Watching the PIT-CIN Wild Card game and they were talking about how Liriano moved around on the rubber to change the angles on his deliveries.

I wonder if something like that would be nice to add to the game.

[vwnut13]

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Oh, I hope that the Minor League stadiums don't still look like crap.

[BSUFAN]

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So much here to digest, many great ideas and comments so I would only add I would like to see John Miller and Joe Morgan for the new commentary I think it would be great.

[Perfect Zero]

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So much here to digest, many great ideas and comments so I would only add I would like to see John Miller and Joe Morgan for the new commentary I think it would be great.

Really? If I remember right the reason why they were let go on the 2k series is because their fee was outrageous. And outside of Buck and McCarver, Miller and Morgan the worst.

[Knight165]

Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

I'm curious - why would a user want to force a team to use a certain pitcher when he might be struggling and a team needs to make a change, or if hotshot reliever comes up and he's got the best stuff (or better stuff than the existing "CP")? Wouldn't users want CPU teams to field the best team they can and use their pitchers most effectively not just ignore a top level talent because he's not a "CP"?

In the real game, closers get changed and no one's "changing positions" from RP to CP. Was Rivera a "CP"? He was a SP that turned RP and then "CP". If the AI is beholden to the designation, how can it emulate a similar attempt at using a pitcher that might cause a similar career arc to develop?

It's been stated numerous times just in the last few pages.
If you take 5 minutes and simply change all CP to RP's.....you get exactly what you are asking for.....
Removing the CP designation shuts out those who want to mimic real life(or historical seasons) with less options.

For instance.....with no DH "position" in the game....you will constantly see David Ortiz be placed at 1B because he is the "better player" in the eyes of the CPU manager.
How many games did he play at first this year? 6

Here are the DH's for the A.L. teams with the default rosters.
Baltimore
Roberts/Ishikawa
Boston
Ortiz
N.Y.
Youk/Rodriguez
T.B.
Roberts/Loney
Blue Jays
Lawrie
Chicago
Kepp/Dunn(HEY it got one right!)
Cleveland
Aviles
Detroit
Fielder/Martinez(HALF RIGHT! )
KC
Chavez/Hosmer

If I really need to go any further on why removing a way to control the game(without shutting out those who wish the CPU to make it's own decisions(as I stated above) is not a good route(REGARDLESS of how good the logic is/should be....because life doesn't follow logic itself)...than I just don't know what to say any longer.

M.K.
Knight165

[Bobhead]

Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

But then shouldn't they improve the AI so that Ortiz is not seen as a better option at first? They should be using the best fielder anyway. Seems to me like you're justifying a flaw with another flaw.

The CP designation is a problem because the AI makes wacky decisions, and you're saying that the reason we need the CP designation is because the AI makes wacky decisions? Honestly I'm confused as to what your argument is here.

And switching every single CP to an RP does not take "five minutes"

[1stpitchhacker]

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But then shouldn't they improve the AI so that Ortiz is not seen as a better option at first? They should be using the best fielder anyway. Seems to me like you're justifying a flaw with another flaw.

The CP designation is a problem because the AI makes wacky decisions, and you're saying that the reason we need the CP designation is because the AI makes wacky decisions? Honestly I'm confused as to what your argument is here.

And switching every single CP to an RP does not take "five minutes"

Agree on everything except it really doesn't take very long to change the CPs to RPs. Still, it isn't something that should have to be done. The AI should be smarter than that, both for DH and CP designations. Using one flaw to justify another makes absolutely no sense.

[Knight165]

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But then shouldn't they improve the AI so that Ortiz is not seen as a better option at first? They should be using the best fielder anyway. Seems to me like you're justifying a flaw with another flaw.

The CP designation is a problem because the AI makes wacky decisions, and you're saying that the reason we need the CP designation is because the AI makes wacky decisions? Honestly I'm confused as to what your argument is here.

And switching every single CP to an RP does not take "five minutes"

No it probably takes 3.....

Are you saying that teams(real life) always use the best fielder?
Are you saying that teams(real life) always have their best option at closer?...setup....SP?
My point is not against improving logic....it's against removing an option and a useful tool.

You say the CP is creating wacky decisions?
In what way?

I just injured Mariano Rivera on day 1 for 250+ days.
Who do you think the CPU put at CP?
Dave Robertson....the exact player the moaning about to start was said it wouldn't put there because he wasn't a CP.
It didn't call up another CP...it called up Jim Miller a RP.

M.K.
Knight165

[Bobhead]

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No it probably takes 3.....

Are you saying that teams(real life) always use the best fielder?
Are you saying that teams(real life) always have their best option at closer?...setup....SP?
My point is not against improving logic....it's against removing an option and a useful tool.

You say the CP is creating wacky decisions?
In what way?

I just injured Mariano Rivera on day 1 for 250+ days.
Who do you think the CPU put at CP?
Dave Robertson....the exact player the moaning about to start was said it wouldn't put there because he wasn't a CP.
It didn't call up another CP...it called up Jim Miller a RP.

M.K.
Knight165

Teams in real life use the best fielder in a situation where both options result in the better hitter still being in the lineup. IE: The choice isn't between Ortiz at first and Ortiz not playing... I've never seen a team put an inferior player on the field and simultaneously put a better fielder at DH, that can play that same position, except for rare injury/age cases and whatnot.

And I never really had any problems with roster management with the CP thing, but I have seen issues with trades... It wouldnt let me trade K-Rod to a team that was asking for an RP, and it wouldn't let me trade a reliever (dont remember which) to another team that was only asking for a CP.

Obviously I have no way of knowing exactly why the trades were rejected, but considering I didn't ask for much in either trade, and it happened twice, I have to assume position was at least a factor.

[Knight165]

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Agree on everything except it really doesn't take very long to change the CPs to RPs. Still, it isn't something that should have to be done. The AI should be smarter than that, both for DH and CP designations. Using one flaw to justify another makes absolutely no sense.

It DOESN'T have to be done(see my above situation)......the reference was for those who say there is no such position as CP.
(simply make everyone a RP)

Do you guys even try things out before you post?

I'm being dead serious.



M.K.
Knight165

[TennesseeVols16]

Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

Some things I'd really enjoy seeing:

-A chemistry meter between players on the same team. Say your 2nd baseman and SS have been playing together for several seasons, so their chemistry should be high, thus meaning less likelihood for an errant throw on a double play and more successful behind the back tosses, or between the leg shovel throws when turning a double play.
Or if you sign a new SS or bring up a SS from the minors, the chemistry between him and the 2nd baseman will be low, so the possibility for errant throws becomes higher and spectacular plays don't occur. You would build chemistry after playing the two guys together for a prolonged amount of time. Could also work with pitchers & catchers, coaches and players who have played under the manger before. I guess it would be sort of a ratings increase if certain players/coaches are paired with other players/coaches

-I want to see rivalries between teams and players become more prominent. Pitchers who run the fastball up & in to guys they have a history with. Have a tension meter throughout the game between the two teams that carries throughout the season. Some retaliations to occur. The ability to show up pitchers on a rival team.

-Umpires should be a bigger part of the game. Each umpire should have a strike zone that sticks with them throughout the entirety of the game. Umpire A will always call a tight zone, while Umpire B will always call a wide zone. I know this is somewhat implemented already, but I think that each umpire should have a strike zone that's permanently his and not random. I'd also like to see umpires reward a pitcher who has pitched lights out during a game by giving him a little more room on the corners. Kind of like how Maddux would widen the zone throughout a game.

-I want to see an arguing system. Basically if balls and strikes aren't going your way, you can argue with the umpire about it. Depending on the manager and the umpire, and how aggressive you argue(laid back, calm, moderate, aggressive, extremely aggressive), the result of the argument can mean a tighter strike zone for the rest of the game or a strike zone that becomes a little looser for the rest of the game.


These are just some ideas that have crossed my mind at times while playing the Show. If these have already been discussed, I apologize.

[@legendm0de]

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My concern is the direction of a franchise as a whole using CP designations as a position. I've known since 10' that during a season an injured or unavailable "CP" will get replaced by the next best RP. I unfortunately chose to leave that out in my original post, which led that issue being raised and discussed.

My concern actually is more along line of off-season moves. Would a team sign a FA CP even with suitable Relievers to take that place. Would they prematurely call up a CP, (which I doubt they would) to fill in CP or another roster spot.. And worst of worst, would they trade players just for the sake of filling a "CP" during the offseason or midseason even.

I've never played the game mode out long enough to know these things, so I didn't want to go into franchise with that being a possibility. So I felt more comfortable making every pitcher a RP trusting the system in-game would handle it well which is still to be seen.


For programmers to x-out all CP as it currently stands would strip the many people who want to influence who's closing on cpu teams during the season, etc. Its much harder to Make a RP close without it's management becoming super-tedious or basically impossible. In a perfect world the programmers would develop the codes and AI to make up for this, but I easily see thats a very challenging balance not guaranteed to work correctly and could cause significant problems, many of us would find unforgivable. It's hard to say what the programmers should really do about the situation and it's not a really broken system, (in my opinion) only slightly buggy.

For certain though, I think this new system will allow a continuing revamp of the AI DH logic and CP / RP roles but wholesale changes from where we are, are probably not the best idea but we can just build on what we have and get closer to being more satisfied with it.

[1stpitchhacker]

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It DOESN'T have to be done(see my above situation)......the reference was for those who say there is no such position as CP.
(simply make everyone a RP)

Do you guys even try things out before you post?

I'm being dead serious.



M.K.
Knight165

That's ONE SITUATION. And yes EVERY TIME barring injury that there's a choice between two guys to play the field and DH, the better fielder is put on the field.

Do you even watch baseball or does all your knowledge of the game come from MLB The Show?

I'm being dead serious.

And the DH and RP problems aren't alone. When teams get two injured catchers they aren't smart enough to call up, trade for, or sign a fourth one. They simply keep one catcher on the 25 man. That and teams using catchers as DHs. Unrealistic. Hopefully they improve the logic for the next gen. It's been like this since day one (of the series).

[1stpitchhacker]

Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

Some things I'd really enjoy seeing:

-A chemistry meter between players on the same team. Say your 2nd baseman and SS have been playing together for several seasons, so their chemistry should be high, thus meaning less likelihood for an errant throw on a double play and more successful behind the back tosses, or between the leg shovel throws when turning a double play.
Or if you sign a new SS or bring up a SS from the minors, the chemistry between him and the 2nd baseman will be low, so the possibility for errant throws becomes higher and spectacular plays don't occur. You would build chemistry after playing the two guys together for a prolonged amount of time. Could also work with pitchers & catchers, coaches and players who have played under the manger before. I guess it would be sort of a ratings increase if certain players/coaches are paired with other players/coaches

-I want to see rivalries between teams and players become more prominent. Pitchers who run the fastball up & in to guys they have a history with. Have a tension meter throughout the game between the two teams that carries throughout the season. Some retaliations to occur. The ability to show up pitchers on a rival team.

-Umpires should be a bigger part of the game. Each umpire should have a strike zone that sticks with them throughout the entirety of the game. Umpire A will always call a tight zone, while Umpire B will always call a wide zone. I know this is somewhat implemented already, but I think that each umpire should have a strike zone that's permanently his and not random. I'd also like to see umpires reward a pitcher who has pitched lights out during a game by giving him a little more room on the corners. Kind of like how Maddux would widen the zone throughout a game.

-I want to see an arguing system. Basically if balls and strikes aren't going your way, you can argue with the umpire about it. Depending on the manager and the umpire, and how aggressive you argue(laid back, calm, moderate, aggressive, extremely aggressive), the result of the argument can mean a tighter strike zone for the rest of the game or a strike zone that becomes a little looser for the rest of the game.


These are just some ideas that have crossed my mind at times while playing the Show. If these have already been discussed, I apologize.

Those are great ideas.