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  • BSUFAN
    RTTS Junkie
    • Mar 2011
    • 1213

    #241
    Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

    Originally posted by Perfect Zero
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    Whatever, They would still be a 10 times more improvement of what they have now with Matty V and crew.
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    • tabarnes19_SDS
      Game Designer
      • Feb 2003
      • 3084

      #242
      Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

      Originally posted by Knight165
      No it probably takes 3.....

      Are you saying that teams(real life) always use the best fielder?
      Are you saying that teams(real life) always have their best option at closer?...setup....SP?
      My point is not against improving logic....it's against removing an option and a useful tool.

      You say the CP is creating wacky decisions?
      In what way?

      I just injured Mariano Rivera on day 1 for 250+ days.
      Who do you think the CPU put at CP?
      Dave Robertson....the exact player the moaning about to start was said it wouldn't put there because he wasn't a CP.
      It didn't call up another CP...it called up Jim Miller a RP.

      M.K.
      Knight165

      I agree 100% with Knight here and was about to post something very similar last night. Playing devils advocate here:

      1. Riveras attributes drop because he is aging...the CPU then places Robertson into the closing role and Rivera goes to setup. How many people here would be screaming?

      2. Braves draft a stud rp. He progresses to a 96 and takes over the closer role even though Kimbrel is there, young and effective, but since Kimbrel is a 95 the CPU decides to place him in the setup role.

      When Rivera was struggling in real life did the Yankees promote Robertson to cp because he was having a great year and had better stuff? The answer is no..closing pitcher is a role in real life. Managers stick by their closers even when they are struggling.

      Human decisions are complicated and sometimes do not follow logic. The closing pitcher role allows some control in the process and a safe guard. If we want to remove that role why not remove cf, lf, rf and just assign defensive ratings for each position and let the CPU pick the best person for each position? Same for the infield? Imagine the shuffling of positions?

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      • MrSerendipity
        MVP
        • Jun 2013
        • 1397

        #243
        Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

        Originally posted by TennesseeVols16
        Some things I'd really enjoy seeing:

        -A chemistry meter between players on the same team. Say your 2nd baseman and SS have been playing together for several seasons, so their chemistry should be high, thus meaning less likelihood for an errant throw on a double play and more successful behind the back tosses, or between the leg shovel throws when turning a double play.
        Or if you sign a new SS or bring up a SS from the minors, the chemistry between him and the 2nd baseman will be low, so the possibility for errant throws becomes higher and spectacular plays don't occur. You would build chemistry after playing the two guys together for a prolonged amount of time. Could also work with pitchers & catchers, coaches and players who have played under the manger before. I guess it would be sort of a ratings increase if certain players/coaches are paired with other players/coaches

        -I want to see rivalries between teams and players become more prominent. Pitchers who run the fastball up & in to guys they have a history with. Have a tension meter throughout the game between the two teams that carries throughout the season. Some retaliations to occur. The ability to show up pitchers on a rival team.

        -Umpires should be a bigger part of the game. Each umpire should have a strike zone that sticks with them throughout the entirety of the game. Umpire A will always call a tight zone, while Umpire B will always call a wide zone. I know this is somewhat implemented already, but I think that each umpire should have a strike zone that's permanently his and not random. I'd also like to see umpires reward a pitcher who has pitched lights out during a game by giving him a little more room on the corners. Kind of like how Maddux would widen the zone throughout a game.

        -I want to see an arguing system. Basically if balls and strikes aren't going your way, you can argue with the umpire about it. Depending on the manager and the umpire, and how aggressive you argue(laid back, calm, moderate, aggressive, extremely aggressive), the result of the argument can mean a tighter strike zone for the rest of the game or a strike zone that becomes a little looser for the rest of the game.


        These are just some ideas that have crossed my mind at times while playing the Show. If these have already been discussed, I apologize.
        These are some good ideas. I miss being able to argue calls with the manager. I really felt like Team Chemistry was the next step they were going to take in The Show after implementing the Team Morale feature. I'm kind of surprised we don't have it already.
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        • 1stpitchhacker
          Banned
          • Jul 2013
          • 193

          #244
          Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

          Originally posted by tabarnes19
          I agree 100% with Knight here and was about to post something very similar last night. Playing devils advocate here:

          1. Riveras attributes drop because he is aging...the CPU then places Robertson into the closing role and Rivera goes to setup. How many people here would be screaming?

          2. Braves draft a stud rp. He progresses to a 96 and takes over the closer role even though Kimbrel is there, young and effective, but since Kimbrel is a 95 the CPU decides to place him in the setup role.

          When Rivera was struggling in real life did the Yankees promote Robertson to cp because he was having a great year and had better stuff? The answer is no..closing pitcher is a role in real life. Managers stick by their closers even when they are struggling.

          Human decisions are complicated and sometimes do not follow logic. The closing pitcher role allows some control in the process and a safe guard. If we want to remove that role why not remove cf, lf, rf and just assign defensive ratings for each position and let the CPU pick the best person for each position? Same for the infield? Imagine the shuffling of positions?
          Good point about Rivera but he's probably the one and only irreplaceable closer. I get that people would be angry about that one situation but how many others are there like that? Pretty much every other "closer" is really a reliever. If later in his career Kimbrel gets replaced by someone better then that's the right move isn't it?

          And as far as outfielders go that is exactly how it's done in real life. Many, if not all, players move or have moved to all fields to compensate for trades, free agent signings, call-ups, etc. I can list you so many examples there wouldn't be nearly enough time for me to write them or for you to read. It would actually make MORE sense if they have it this way so that Raul Ibanez doesn't pinch hit for Dustin Ackley with Endy Chavez in RF and then come in and play CF on defense when Chavez should rightfully move there.

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          • chaz526
            Rookie
            • Jan 2012
            • 218

            #245
            Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

            Originally posted by 1stpitchhacker
            That's ONE SITUATION. And yes EVERY TIME barring injury that there's a choice between two guys to play the field and DH, the better fielder is put on the field.

            Do you even watch baseball or does all your knowledge of the game come from MLB The Show?

            I'm being dead serious.

            And the DH and RP problems aren't alone. When teams get two injured catchers they aren't smart enough to call up, trade for, or sign a fourth one. They simply keep one catcher on the 25 man. That and teams using catchers as DHs. Unrealistic. Hopefully they improve the logic for the next gen. It's been like this since day one (of the series).
            Obviously this guy has no idea who Knight is.

            If anybody has a good knowledge of how The Show works, that ISN'T a developer, it's Knight.

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            • 1stpitchhacker
              Banned
              • Jul 2013
              • 193

              #246
              Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

              Are you looking for a pat on the back from 'em or something? I've owned every version of this game since '06 sans '12 and played the stuff outta each one. Just because I'm fairly new to this forum and I don't know who someone is doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about, or that I can't argue/discuss certain aspects of the game with 'em. If it's against the rules to do that, I'll gladly stop.

              Thanks for the great input.
              Last edited by 1stpitchhacker; 10-03-2013, 01:26 PM.

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              • seanjeezy
                The Future
                • Aug 2009
                • 3347

                #247
                Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

                Man its been a while since I last visited here, super hyped for MLB the Show on PS4!

                I've been hanging out on NeoGaf a lot recently, the tech discussion and knowledge there is amazing - anyway, one of the things that has me really excited about the PS4 is the focus on GPGPU and asynchronous computing.

                How does this affect MLB the Show? Physics simulation and collision detection! I'm hoping for a 100% physics based engine, make it happen SCEA
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                • lhslancers
                  Banned
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 3589

                  #248
                  Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

                  Originally posted by seanjeezy
                  Man its been a while since I last visited here, super hyped for MLB the Show on PS4!

                  I've been hanging out on NeoGaf a lot recently, the tech discussion and knowledge there is amazing - anyway, one of the things that has me really excited about the PS4 is the focus on GPGPU and asynchronous computing.

                  How does this affect MLB the Show? Physics simulation and collision detection! I'm hoping for a 100% physics based engine, make it happen SCEA
                  Collision detection. It would be nice to see how they implement that on pick offs at first and general play around the walls by the fielders.

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                  • Unit303
                    Rookie
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 224

                    #249
                    Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

                    The PS4 is most exciting because of the proper power the system has imo. The PS3 is SO DAMN OLD. There is absolutely zero reason a sports game cannot be 1080p 60FPS with really decent AA. I for one am hoping they stick with MSAA for jaggies as MLAA kind of sucks and I would puke if they used FXAA. Supersampling not happening so.... please MLB team get some good image quality going for this release. What really hurts me is so many devs choosing to stick with these godawful post processing techniques because of bandwidth or deferred engines. I supersample almost everything or use MSAA on PC and it IS hard to go back. Hell, even games like Warhawk on PS3 used 4xMSAA. MLB used 2xMSAA but not sure if they kept that for 13 or not.

                    4xMSAA should be easily doable IMHO even with all the new details to lighting and what not. Not a whole lot happens in a baseball game moment to moment. And damn I will be happy when jaggies are mostly gone from this franchise and 1080p clarity is seeping into my eyes. I don;t even care what they add to 14 as long as the image quality is good first year.

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                    • Knight165
                      *ll St*r
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 24964

                      #250
                      Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

                      Originally posted by 1stpitchhacker
                      Good point about Rivera but he's probably the one and only irreplaceable closer. I get that people would be angry about that one situation but how many others are there like that? Pretty much every other "closer" is really a reliever. If later in his career Kimbrel gets replaced by someone better then that's the right move isn't it?

                      And as far as outfielders go that is exactly how it's done in real life. Many, if not all, players move or have moved to all fields to compensate for trades, free agent signings, call-ups, etc. I can list you so many examples there wouldn't be nearly enough time for me to write them or for you to read. It would actually make MORE sense if they have it this way so that Raul Ibanez doesn't pinch hit for Dustin Ackley with Endy Chavez in RF and then come in and play CF on defense when Chavez should rightfully move there.

                      The problem is....you keep talking about one thing...while I'm speaking of something else altogether.

                      You keep bringing up things that the game should do. Change position for players primarily and I(and tabarnes for sure...he's been asking for it for a few years now at CD) agree. There should be instances where players change primary positions and add secondary positions.

                      But NO MATTER HOW GOOD the in game logic gets(it could be "perfect")....there are times when it will NOT match what happens IRL. That is just impossible.
                      By removing a way to force the game(the CP designation one) to conform to what happens IRL...you are thereby actually limiting the game IMO.

                      On a similar note.....I've asked for lineup place designation in the editor that the game would take into account when making lineups.....so that if I give a player only 1 and 8 in the editor...he would only be used in those positions in the lineup. Should lineup logic be improved? Absolutely....but there is another instance in which it will NEVER be perfect(because there is no accounting for everything an actual manager will do)

                      That's all I'm saying.

                      You guys keep bringing up that I'm using one flaw to account for another. I don't even know WTF you are talking about since my point on that was not that the game gets it wrong there so it's okay to get it wrong somewhere else...but that without being able to "guide" the game in not using Ortiz at 1B instead of DH it just shows that locking out the option to nudge that game certain ways will be even more frustrating.

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                      • @legendm0de
                        Pro
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 763

                        #251
                        Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

                        One thing more of a wishlist type of request but very important to alot of us, I think:

                        I definitely need the time and activity between pitches to be real time 100% of the time. I know alot of people skip the cutscenes, so do I on rare occasion but the flow of the game is very important. So I need an accurate time in between pitches. Occasionally the game will even glitch past the entire cutscene between pitches forcing me to take the next pitch way too quickly which could ruin the whole at-bat, which could ruin my inning>thegame>myseason (see the snowball effect lol). I hope with all the sophistication we expect for this gen's game we won't have a silly issue like this with us.
                        Last edited by @legendm0de; 10-06-2013, 12:38 AM.
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                        • KBLover
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 12172

                          #252
                          Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

                          Originally posted by tabarnes19
                          When Rivera was struggling in real life did the Yankees promote Robertson to cp because he was having a great year and had better stuff? The answer is no..closing pitcher is a role in real life. Managers stick by their closers even when they are struggling.

                          Human decisions are complicated and sometimes do not follow logic.

                          I think things like this should be based on individual manager tendencies. I'm willing to bet it's not 100% that a manager would switch or wouldn't switch. Perhaps some managers prefer experience while others would give the young gun a shot and see how he does, etc. Some might like one pitchers arsenal over another, or the a certain rating above other skill sets, etc.

                          Because human decisions don't always follow optimal logic, that sounds like a good reason to have it more individualized based on manager preferences/tendencies. If one manager would prefer to stick with their established closer even if he's struggled through half the season, while another might switch, you have a difference based on a baseball decision (one might prefer experience/trusted guy [that could be what the CP represents and give that AI personality "inertia" to keeping him as closer], other goes strictly by performance, perhaps too much so, pulling the trigger too fast and ending up rushing a kid, using a guy with not-so-great clutch so he struggles even more, etc).
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                          • lhslancers
                            Banned
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 3589

                            #253
                            Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

                            Originally posted by @legendm0de
                            One thing more of a wishlist type of request but very important to alot of us, I think:

                            I definitely need the time and activity between pitches to be real time 100% of the time. I know alot of people skip the cutscenes, so do I on rare occasion but the flow of the game is very important. So I need an accurate time in between pitches. Occasionally the game will even glitch past the entire cutscene between pitches forcing me to take the next pitch way too quickly which could ruin the whole at-bat, which could ruin my inning>thegame>myseason (see the snowball effect lol). I hope with all the sophistication we expect for this gen's game we won't have a silly issue like this with us.
                            I've always kept the pitch delivery to the plate option on slowest. I hate the feeling of being rushed between pitches and I think the pacing was best on 11. If I want I can always press X to advance it.

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                            • hysteria499
                              Rookie
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 266

                              #254
                              Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

                              Things I would love to see mainly being a RTTS player. I would love more minor league options. Don't start at AA that is not realistic. You should start in low A to high A. They have more room to play with the ps4 so it would be nice to see more minor league teams. I want a actual like draft. A call out and human format to it. Other then you get picked and dumped into AA and boom be in the majors sometimes in that same year. The Arizona Fall league would be nice to see. As well as some other leagues. You make money from contracts but have nothing to spend it on at all? What is the point of a money system in the game with nothing to spend it on? Add interviews and life options that gain fan support and team support and manager/owner support. If you do add a real draft make rounds. Have it to where your player is evaluated and have a mock draft to see where he could go. Say a stud pitcher who throws 99 and a nasty slider who is in HS might crack the top 5. Add choices to where the player went to college. So say a pitcher in college who hits 90 on the gun but has good control could be a mid first round pick to later pick. Those are just examples. These are things I would love to see. It would be awesome to just have some kind of mock game to get scouted and see where you could go. Say 3 games or so and you earn xp to raise your stats to put into say stamina or break or k or something. Build yourself up for the draft. If HS then no real HS team is needed. Same for college since you wont be in HS or college after you get drafted could just be fake uniforms or something. To me the mode just does not have enough realistic features to me. Love the game series been buying since 06 and will probably never stop buying them either. I plan to get a ps4 it will take some time. These are just things that would add onto the feature. Look more for later on my opinion on the other modes.

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                              • MrOldboy
                                MVP
                                • Feb 2011
                                • 2653

                                #255
                                Re: PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

                                I'm not going to get myself too hyped for MLB 14 on PS4. After MLB 07 on PS3 I feel we shouldn't expect them to have an entirely new game created by the time MLB 14 is due out. MLB 07 felt like an uprezzed version of the PS2 game. It wasn't until MLB 08 that the game looked and felt completely different from the PS2 version. I remember being pretty blown away with MLB 08 since 07 wasn't that impressive to me.

                                The game has gotten to a point where it plays great and even marginal improvements would make a big difference to me. If they can make the game run at 1080p at a steady 60fps that would be enough for me honestly for MLB 14.
                                Last edited by MrOldboy; 10-06-2013, 08:25 AM.

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