MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[stlcards234]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Been looking at getting a big name into a Cardinal's uniform before the deadline in my OSFM Cards chise. I've been toying around with a few ideas and recently thought of this one, was hoping you guys could help me refine it.... A messy-ish 4 team trade:


ATL Receives:
Kolton Wong (2B, B, STL)
Jon Jay (OF, B, STL)
Lance Lynn (SP, B, STL)


SEA Receives:
BJ Upton (OF, C, ATL)


COL Receives:
Kris Meldon (SP, B, ATL)
Danny Hultzen (SP, B, SEA)
Stephen Piscotty (OF, B, STL)
Matt Adams (1B, B, STL)
Randall Grichuk (OF, B, STL)
Carlos Martinez (SP, B, STL) - I edited his stamina to 65 and changed to SP; He was battling for the 5th spot in the Cardinals rotation and is the next starter in waiting


STL Receives:
Carlos Gonzalez (OF, A, COL)


Context/My impression:
SEA (Div: 2.0 GB; WC: 1.5 GB - one of five teams battling for last spot): Seattle (as I see it) is in a win now mode after signing Cano to a monster deal. Hultzen is currently in AAA making no contribution to the big league effort. Bringing in Upton gives a better batting option in the OF. Upton would replace Endy Chavez.


ATL (Div: Leading by 3.5; WC: Would be 0.5 games ahead for the 2nd spot):
Atlanta manages to get Kolton Wong who will easily replace Dan Uggla. Jon Jay has also been lights out this current season (Batting over .320, 3rd most RBI on the Cardinals so far despite not starting until a few weeks into the season after an injury.) He brings a bigger bat than Upton. Atlanta also gets Lance Lynn who isn't too much of a downgrade from Melton.


COL (Div: 8.0 GB; WC: 2.5 GB but one of 7 teams competing- within 3 games- for the last playoff spot):
Colorado loses big star CarGo but also frees up a ton of money. (In real life, it is questionable whether or not COL could afford to keep him and Tulo long term and Tulo is more likely to stay.) They get 6 future starter that are all under team control- cheap- for a long time being.


STL (Leading all NL by 1.5 games):
My team. Gets a huge bat without sacrificing pitching. Leaves a hole at 2B and depletes MLB depth- will probably use Ellis, Garcia, or Descalso at 2B until this can be improved in the offseason. Also loses a lot of guys under team control for a long time.


All of this is just a real rough draft. I'm approaching the last few weeks before the deadline and I'm throwing a few things around. I'm looking for fairness and realism. (Granted, lets throw out the fact that a 4 team trade is near impossible- so lets just ignore that point, hah! As long as the reasoning for each makes sense, I am all for it.)


What do you guys think?


And slightly off-topic: Where do you go to see a teams rebuilding/win now status? I remember a few years ago there was somewhere that explicitly said their strategy. But I forget where.)

[Friar Fanatic]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Been looking at getting a big name into a Cardinal's uniform before the deadline in my OSFM Cards chise. I've been toying around with a few ideas and recently thought of this one, was hoping you guys could help me refine it.... A messy-ish 4 team trade:

What do you guys think?

I actually really like it. The Rockies are cleaning up in this trade in my opinion but it is fair across the board.

[rjackson]

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Thanks for the help! I think I'm going to go with my original deal.

Yeah, I should have stayed quiet not having all the info. He was right, I wa overthinking it.

[AC]

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It'd take two or three of the following for Gonzalez.

Adams
Wong
Taveras
Miller
Wacha
Martinez
Craig
Rosenthal

Something like Miller + Adams + Wong/Piscotty is okay.

So have we decided Gonzalez is a realistic trade target now?

[Friar Fanatic]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

It'd take two or three of the following for Gonzalez.

Adams
Wong
Taveras
Miller
Wacha
Martinez
Craig
Rosenthal

Something like Miller + Adams + Wong/Piscotty is okay.

So have we decided Gonzalez is a realistic trade target now?

Gonzalez is very realistic if the Rockies are not pushing for the playoffs.

[rjackson]

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Want to gauge this for realism. I want to go ahead and explore trading Sale to try and speed up the rebuild of th ChiSox. I haven't started spring training yet. I looked at who the interest came from for Price and Sale over the off season. KC is obviously going for win now and tried for Price. LAD had some discussion but would not part with Seager for him. I don't want any doubt before I pull the trigger.

Thoughts on Sale for something like Zimmer, Duffy, Mondesi, Bonafacio?

Sale for Joc Pedersen, Urias, Seager, ZLee?

Sale to Texas for NRamirez, Sardinas, Alfaro, or something?

Since he's basically acting as the GM of the Phillies, Amaro is out of the equation.

This is the franchise where Ethier was traded, correct? They don't have a 4th OF, so Pederson was called up.

There were posts a few pages back about how is pitching style can withstand him getting older, so I won't go too far into that. Cliff Lee pitching well, not being on the last year of his contact, has a ton of value. There are plenty of teams that would kill to have Lee in their rotation.

With that being said, not taking Pederson in the deal would be ridiculous. He's one of their top three prospects, and it's close between him, Urias and Seager. I don't know why you'd take less than that.

Completely scrap the 4th OF idea. Byrd doesn't really need to go there, and neither does Mayberry. They can call someone up like Scott Van Slyke, but that's their problem, let them deal with it internally.

There's way too much overthinking going on with this trade. Send them Lee, get some really solid prospects, and be done with it.

IRL, Pederson probably doesn't contribute much at the major league level anyways (meaning this year, barring a major injury) and I doubt that the Dodgers would call him up + ruin his minor league progression at 21 just to have him have the occasional at-bat as a 4th OF.

You are right, I am an overthinker! Props and well said. Do you have suggestions on my selling Sale? Most interested in prospects from LAD and KC. I think the impression I get is I could take an entire farm. Really wondering if you agree with that as well. AC/WTNY, there has to be a limit, right? SD got 4 for Latos. Is that a good number? I know AC said 3 top 100s.
I'm dropping it after this. Just feeling a little unsure.

[AC]

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There really isn't a limit.

[stlcards234]

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It'd take two or three of the following for Gonzalez.

Adams
Wong
Taveras
Miller
Wacha
Martinez
Craig
Rosenthal

Something like Miller + Adams + Wong/Piscotty is okay.

So have we decided Gonzalez is a realistic trade target now?

I'm debating whether or not Gonzalez is doable for trade. Like I said, I don't know what the common consensus in COL is about CarGo's future is with the team. But from my opinion, I think they would be very willing to move him for 6 everyday starters. Adams and Martinez would be included in the trade. I got the other teams involved to avoid trading my own young pitching. For arguments sake, lets just assume Cargo is available.


Also, what about Stanton instead of Gonzalez? I (STL) would throw in another B grade prospect but not MLB ready (55ish OVR). Marlins are also out of contention.

I of course understand the desire for COL or MIA to get a ready ace or position player. But I just don't see very many Top Player for Top Player deals happening in the case of MIA or COL. No point in a rebuilding franchise trading for a proven player over a ton of prospects. And no point for a team in contention to trade one top player for another- doesn't get you anywhere unless it opens up for a bench player to become a starter. At the end of the day, I don't know how COL or MIA turns down 6 MLB ready players that have lots of upside, young, and cheap.

[AC]

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I feel like CarGo is more realistic.

Analyzing his batted ball and PD stats... last year might have been the time to sell, actually. Right now would be selling low. Ideally they hold on to him until the trade deadline, get some nice RTTM, and if they're out of it and he's hot, deal him. But they don't deal him until he's hot and at peak value again.

Basically, they want to market him as a 40% above league average bat when in reality, he's probably a 20% above league average bat.

[cardinal511]

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It'd take two or three of the following for Gonzalez.

Adams
Wong
Taveras
Miller
Wacha
Martinez
Craig
Rosenthal

Something like Miller + Adams + Wong/Piscotty is okay.

So have we decided Gonzalez is a realistic trade target now?

I agree with this, but Shelby Miller gives up way too many home runs to be good in Coors, so I think Colorado targets Martinez over him. I'd say give them Martinez, one of Adams/Craig, and Wong/Piscotty. Another possible piece would be one of our top lefty pitching prospects (Cooney, Gonzales, or Kaminsky) as there isn't room in St. Louis for all of them.

Speaking to the trade in general, I'd say you're giving up enough that adding Seattle and Atlanta to the trade makes it overly complicated. Just stick with St. Louis and Colorado as trade partners should work better.

[stlcards234]

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I'd say give them Martinez, one of Adams/Craig, and Wong/Piscotty. Another possible piece would be one of our top lefty pitching prospects (Cooney, Gonzales, or Kaminsky) as there isn't room in St. Louis for all of them.

STL Receives:
Carlos Gonzalez (OF, A, COL)


COL Receives:
*Matt Adams (1B, B, STL)
Carlos Martinez (SP, B, STL)
Stephen Piscotty (OF, B, STL)
Tim Cooney (SP, C, STL)
*Would Adams be interchangeable with Wong (2B, B)? I don't think so but wanted your take on it.


Is that enough for COL to get rid of CarGo? Could add Jay (who is batting .320 so far.) too?


If it is still too light, maybe getting ATL involved? Send Wong there and someone from ATL to COL.

[cardinal511]

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STL Receives:
Carlos Gonzalez (OF, A, COL)


COL Receives:
Matt Adams (1B, B, STL)
Carlos Martinez (SP, B, STL)
Stephen Piscotty (OF, B, STL)
Tim Cooney (SP, C, STL)


Is that enough for COL to get rid of CarGo? Could add Jay (who is batting .320 so far.) too?


If it is still too light, maybe getting ATL involved? Send Wong there and someone from ATL to COL.

Maybe edit Cooney's potential up one or two to make him a low B? Other than that, the package doesn't seem terrible, but might be slightly low according to the spread sheet. Sending Wong to Atlanta and getting a little more to that package is one option. Another would be sending another low level prospect like Alex Reyes who is a low A and keeping Cooney. The Cards staff in the big leagues is young enough that Reyes might have trouble finding room in it. If you do that you might be able to get a bullpen piece back from the Rockies to replace Martinez also.

So maybe this instead.
Colorado Gets:
Alex Reyes (low A)
Carlos Martinez (High B--- I'd argue he should be a Low A potential, but that's another discussion)
Matt Adams (B)
Stephen Piscotty (B)

St. Louis Gets:
Carlos Gonzelez
Bullpen piece from Rockies (Rex Brothers?)

[AC]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Maybe edit Cooney's potential up one or two to make him a low B? Other than that, the package doesn't seem terrible, but might be slightly low according to the spread sheet. Sending Wong to Atlanta and getting a little more to that package is one option. Another would be sending another low level prospect like Alex Reyes who is a low A and keeping Cooney. The Cards staff in the big leagues is young enough that Reyes might have trouble finding room in it. If you do that you might be able to get a bullpen piece back from the Rockies to replace Martinez also.

So maybe this instead.
Colorado Gets:
Alex Reyes (low A)
Carlos Martinez (High B--- I'd argue he should be a Low A potential, but that's another discussion)
Matt Adams (B)
Stephen Piscotty (B)

St. Louis Gets:
Carlos Gonzelez
Bullpen piece from Rockies (Rex Brothers?)

Yeah, Cooney should be a low B.

I like this package the best, it makes the most sense. I would wager Martinez SHOULD be a High B considering he's a starter, but as a reliever his potential should be A-. I think this is a good package.

[stlcards234]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Maybe edit Cooney's potential up one or two to make him a low B? Other than that, the package doesn't seem terrible, but might be slightly low according to the spread sheet.

So maybe this instead.
Colorado Gets:
Alex Reyes (low A)
Carlos Martinez (High B--- I'd argue he should be a Low A potential, but that's another discussion)
Matt Adams (B)
Stephen Piscotty (B)

St. Louis Gets:
Carlos Gonzelez
Bullpen piece from Rockies (Rex Brothers?)

I like this package the best, it makes the most sense. I would wager Martinez SHOULD be a High B considering he's a starter, but as a reliever his potential should be A-. I think this is a good package.

Thanks for the awesome help guys. Think I got a good idea of a fair yet realistic deal to get CarGo over. I might make a few switches based on how the next few weeks (in game) go to accommodate value appropriately. Just two follow up questions:


Any way Wong could be substituted in for Adams in a trade? I'd like to use Adams for another trade to bring in a 2B/SS/3B. The Rockies have serviceable men at both 1B and 2B, so I think they would want (between Wong and Adams) whichever player has the most upside. Not sure who you guys think is more valuable in this scenario? (Although I figure teams value Adams more.)


CarGo has also been injured the majority of my season with a fractured wrist. Prior, he was batting .241, 3 HR, 10 RBI in 58 AB. I'm sure this brings down his value a bit but not enough to cause a significant decline in his return (in my opinion). Whats your guys take on that situation?


Thanks to you both for your help. I spitball a lot of trade ideas and mull it over if it is approved on these forums... Most I never end up pulling the trigger for a reason or another. But this one looks just too tempting. (Would definitely qualify as a blockbuster trade!)

[KingFry]

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Hey guys! I started up my phils chise today and I play quick counts and have been playing all day, so I'm already in Mid-June and am preparing to make some trades soon! I'd really like your guys insight but I need to get through my steps first(lol), so....

Basically my first step is figuring out WHO is realistic to trade. I'm interested in trading anyone, but I'm unsure of a few. Lee will ofc be sent in a trade to someone for a bunch of prospects, probably going to try and move Byrd if possible as well. Utley/J-roll I'm unsure of. They're both lifetime Phils and I would think they'd retire a philly, especially J-Roll. Papelbon won't gain be any value but he is pitching great... then the last two main guys.... Burnett, who has a 3 ERA and is pitching great, and lastly, the main guy, Cole Hamels.... I don't know if it would be realistic to trade him because he signed a big contract, but he is 30 and has a 1.50 ERA, and has like a 9 K.9 Ratio... I just feel like he could give me a ton of value, but I'm not sure if it is realistic.

EDIT: Forgot about Ryan Howard as well to add on to the potential trade list.