MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[BA2929]

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They might love all of those prospects, but I'd bet anything they'd love to have an elite all star lefty on Sale's level even more.

It's not completely unrealistic at all. Divisional trades happen. No idea why people treat them like they're the death of baseball. If you get more talent from team A than team B, you take it, no matter what division they're in.

Look at it this way.. Sale goes to KC as a proven talent. They're giving away relatively unknowns. Not from a name standpoint, but a lot of things could go wrong with a prospect. Prospects bust all of the time.

For the Sox, they get four or five guys that they believe can be all stars. It's a win for them, and it's a win for KC.

You guys are thinking in the CWS point of view, not the Royals.

The CWS might want all of those guys and it might be the best trade for THEM, but the Royals aren't trading their entire system for Sale because it's a silly trade for KC to do.

How does Sale help the Royals in 2015? It'd be him and a bunch of losers in the rotation with him. Shields is gone. It's Sale/Guthrie/Vargas and nobody. Plus they have nothing in the minors to help them whatsoever. The Royals ARE NOT good enough to destroy their system for a one year run. Heck, the 2014 team isn't even good enough to beat the CWS in real life this year.

Ventura is not an unknown. He shouldn't be considered in any of these deals. Zimmer... maybe. The rest of them, sure. But not Ventura and most likely not Zimmer.

[AC]

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I personally think the main reason people don't trade within the division is that it would anger their fan base.

Maybe also because there are no sure bets and if you're side falls through while the other side doesn't then you just made a incredible mistake.

Not saying I agree with this logic, just saying I think these are the reasons.

The Billy Beane philosophy.

You don't have your priorities straight if you're worried about justifying your moves to the public.

Did you not read the part where he opened his comment by acknowledging that it was not realistic?

Think he meant in terms of possibility of happening, not in terms of fairness. The Yankees can't put together a fair package period, realistic or not.

You guys are thinking in the CWS point of view, not the Royals.

Definitely a fair point. Not the most ideal landing place.

[Friar Fanatic]

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The Billy Beane philosophy.

You don't have your priorities straight if you're worried about justifying your moves to the public.

I 100% agree

[k_mac]

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There doesn't always have to be a winner/loser in each trade. The Royals dealt Mark Teahen to the CWS for Chris Getz and Josh Fields. Nobody won and nobody lost.



In this Sale deal, the Royals would be decimating their system and at the same time improving the system and roster of the CWS for one guy who plays 19% of the games.



That's a loss for the Royals, thus your point of "why make the trade".



Plus if they dealt Ventura, Zimmer and Duffy that's 3/5ths of their rotation for 2015. One guy, no matter how great he is, isn't going to make up for that.



Take out Zimmer and Ventura and go with just the other guys, then we can possibly talk.



Honestly, I'd take a rotation of Shields/Ventura/Duffy/Guthrie/Vargas and be happier with that than Sale/Shields/Vargas/Guthrie/Whoever.



Basically the Royals would have to forfeit 2015 and on to get Sale for 2014. They won't do that, that's all I'm saying.

If you would have posted this originally, instead of just calling the trade BS because it was to a division foe, it probably would have went over much better.

But, any trade for Sale from ANY team would deplete their system.

I agree, KC's not that good to begin with, but they went out and got James Shields because they thought they could contend. If they still think they're in contention, it would make all the sense in the world to acquire an all star pitcher.

All of the scenarios that I posted were a case of a team completely giving up their future to get Sale. He's the type of pitcher that could really put your team over the edge.

When is the last time KC went to the playoffs? Hypothetically, if Sale was available, and they thought he was the guy to take them deep in the playoffs, you bet they'd be calling Chicago.

[BA2929]

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We could have shut down this "Sale to KC" trade discussions had they just taken him like they planned and not flipped to Christian Colon in the draft.


*sigh*

[Friar Fanatic]

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We could have shut down this "Sale to KC" trade discussions had they just taken him like they planned and not flipped to Christian Colon in the draft.


*sigh*

At least they didn't draft Matt Bush

[AC]

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We could have shut down this "Sale to KC" trade discussions had they just taken him like they planned and not flipped to Christian Colon in the draft.


*sigh*

I'm sorry, did you draft Deck McGuire? And then brutally misuse him even after he busted?

-cries a river-

[BA2929]

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If you would have posted this originally, instead of just calling the trade BS because it was to a division foe, it probably would have went over much better.

But, any trade for Sale from ANY team would deplete their system.

I agree, KC's not that good to begin with, but they went out and got James Shields because they thought they could contend. If they still think they're in contention, it would make all the sense in the world to acquire an all star pitcher.

When is the last time KC went to the playoffs? Hypothetically, if Sale was available, and they thought he was the guy to take them deep in the playoffs, you bet they'd be calling Chicago.

1) You're right. I'm a Royals fan. I don't want us to deal the future away for one guy, for one year then having nothing for 2015 and beyond. My fandom got in the way of my normal logic.

2) They got Shields because they had no other options in house, no FA wants to sign in KC and they needed a leader to show them how to win. They made their trade for their Ace, that's why they wouldn't deal for Sale.

3) 1985 was the last playoff appearance. I have to believe the Royals would find a cheaper option if they needed another SP to put them over the top, even if Sale was available. If Sale WAS available and the Royals dialed up CWS and Rick Hahn came back with that wish list, I'd hope Dayton Moore would just hang up the phone.

[AC]

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1) You're right. I'm a Royals fan. I don't want us to deal the future away for one guy, for one year then having nothing for 2015 and beyond. My fandom got in the way of my normal logic.

Chris Sale isn't a one year guy haha. He's a young stud that will anchor the rotation for years to come.

I can't find the article, but someone did a great post last year on trading him and found that the team getting the star usually ends up winning over the team that gets the prospects.

[Friar Fanatic]

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Chris Sale isn't a one year guy haha. He's a young stud that will anchor the rotation for years to come.

I can't find the article, but someone did a great post last year on trading him and found that the team getting the star usually ends up winning over the team that gets the prospects.

As a Padres fan I agree. Traded Latos, AGon, Gregerson, Adams and Peavy and have nothing to show for it.

[BA2929]

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Chris Sale isn't a one year guy haha. He's a young stud that will anchor the rotation for years to come.

I can't find the article, but someone did a great post last year on trading him and found that the team getting the star usually ends up winning over the team that gets the prospects.

Well, considering the haul that was mentioned earlier that included Zimmer/Ventura/Duffy and half the minors up for grabs, It'd be one year because there'd be nothing resembling a rotation after 2014. It'd be Sale/Guthrie/Vargas and two other scrubs.

That's a one year guy to me unless Ventura and Zimmer are taken out of the equation. I can see decimating the minors for a guy, but not throwing in 2/5ths of the actual MLB starting rotation to get him as well.

[AC]

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As a Padres fan I agree. Traded Latos, AGon, Gregerson, Adams and Peavy and have nothing to show for it.

A Gone ---> Rizzo + Kelly
Rizzo -----> Cashner
A Gone ---> Cashner + Kelly

That isn't nothing lol that's a stud pitcher and okay prospect

[AC]

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Well, considering the haul that was mentioned earlier that included Zimmer/Ventura/Duffy and half the minors up for grabs, It'd be one year because there'd be nothing resembling a rotation after 2014. It'd be Sale/Guthrie/Vargas and two other scrubs.

That's a one year guy to me unless Ventura and Zimmer are taken out of the equation.

You can't just ignore the ridiculous amount of surplus value Sale will provide in the years to come...

Sale, Shields, Guthrie, Vargas, 5th guy

That's a good rotation. And if you guys got Sale, Shields stays imo.

[Friar Fanatic]

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A Gone ---> Rizzo + Kelly
Rizzo -----> Cashner
A Gone ---> Cashner + Kelly

That isn't nothing lol that's a stud pitcher and okay prospect

Well I guess if you wanna include Cashner as trading AGon then sure. But I was more so talking about Rizzo.

Even with Cashner included, the Padres traded a Cy Young winner, an incredibly solid young pitcher, a gold glove all star 1B, and 2 solid RPs for a stud pitcher and an ok prospect

[BA2929]

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You can't just ignore the ridiculous amount of surplus value Sale will provide in the years to come...

Sale, Shields, Guthrie, Vargas, 5th guy

That's a good rotation. And if you guys got Sale, Shields stays imo.

How are the Royals going to afford both Shields AND Sale?

Shields is 100% gone because the Royals can't afford him right now. If they got Sale, they REALLY can't afford him lol.