Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

[p00p1]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Someone should tell Madison Bumgarner. Or Curt Schilling.

[Knight165]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Someone should tell Madison Bumgarner. Or Curt Schilling.

Even with those two(two decades apart)...counting mad bums crazy 2014.....what do you think the average IP per start was in the 2014 playoffs?

M.K,
Knight165

[Fours]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Even with those two(two decades apart)...counting mad bums crazy 2014.....what do you think the average IP per start was in the 2014 playoffs?

M.K,
Knight165

And here comes the statistical manipulation..

Yes, the IP/Start goes way down, and you're going to back up Ramone and say it's because pitchers are suddenly tired at the end of the season.

Or, we could consider:

1. More at risk, Managers have a quicker hook, more pressure to respect L/R splits.
2. A rested bullpen due to extra days off.
3. Literally no starts were a starter is forced to go deep to rest the bullpen.
4. An extra arm in the bullpen due to a 4 man rotation.
5. Managers pulling an ace starter earlier with intentions of starting him again on 3 days rest.

All of these factors can/will occur naturally without modifications to the game.

The other component to SP fatigue in game is probably also reacting to the decline in statistical performance for all playoff pitcher. Again, this will be accounted for naturally by the increase in talent you're pitching against, and the focus on squeezing every run out of each inning whereas in season you might have let it play out hoping for a huge inning.

The 5 man rotation exists only to keep Pitchers healthy and able to play long seasons without a ability drop in the playoffs. If what this game suggests is true, teams would move to a 6 man rotation, or have pitchers on strict inning limits.

Also, the flawed logic does not take the pitchers innings that season into account, an under-used, well rested arm still hits the playoff fatigue wall..

I don't bash game developers, and I can't stand whining gamers, or fan-apologists. When a mistake is made, acknowledge it and fix it when you can(Update, or MLB 16, doesn't matter)

The current logic and execution of Starting Pitcher fatigue recovery is deeply flawed. Let's focus on a workaround for now, and hopefully the assurance that it will be modified in the future.

[Knight165]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

And here comes the statistical manipulation..

Yes, the IP/Start goes way down, and you're going to back up Ramone and say it's because pitchers are suddenly tired at the end of the season.

Or, we could consider:

1. More at risk, Managers have a quicker hook, more pressure to respect L/R splits.
2. A rested bullpen due to extra days off.
3. Literally no starts were a starter is forced to go deep to rest the bullpen.
4. An extra arm in the bullpen due to a 4 man rotation.
5. Managers pulling an ace starter earlier with intentions of starting him again on 3 days rest.

All of these factors can/will occur naturally without modifications to the game.

The other component to SP fatigue in game is probably also reacting to the decline in statistical performance for all playoff pitcher. Again, this will be accounted for naturally by the increase in talent you're pitching against, and the focus on squeezing every run out of each inning whereas in season you might have let it play out hoping for a huge inning.

The 5 man rotation exists only to keep Pitchers healthy and able to play long seasons without a ability drop in the playoffs. If what this game suggests is true, teams would move to a 6 man rotation, or have pitchers on strict inning limits.

Also, the flawed logic does not take the pitchers innings that season into account, an under-used, well rested arm still hits the playoff fatigue wall..

I don't bash game developers, and I can't stand whining gamers, or fan-apologists. When a mistake is made, acknowledge it and fix it when you can(Update, or MLB 16, doesn't matter)

The current logic and execution of Starting Pitcher fatigue recovery is deeply flawed. Let's focus on a workaround for now, and hopefully the assurance that it will be modified in the future.

Well thanks for telling me what I was thinking or saying....

But no...and if you read the patch thread....I already stated that I don't necessarily agree with it.....but perhaps on why it is set up that way.

Nice to see all you guys bailing on me right away though.
Cool.



M.K.
Knight165

[Knight165]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

...and I love how you guys scream stats/stats/stats......when it fits...but we want to ignore it here.


M.K.
Knight165

[HozAndMoose]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Its not as bad (if you raise the stamina sliders) as it seemd to me at first. But i think it should just stay like it is during the regular season. With the stamina slider all the way up. Jason Vargas went 6 innings and under 90 pitches. Was about 90% energy for his next start.

[geisterhome]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Well thanks for telling me what I was thinking or saying....

But no...and if you read the patch thread....I already stated that I don't necessarily agree with it.....but perhaps on why it is set up that way.

Nice to see all you guys bailing on me right away though.
Cool.



M.K.
Knight165

I interpreted your comment the exact same way as the guy above (excellent post by the way!). I'm sorry to break it to you but I think you need to be more straightforward if being misinterpreted here and there is really bothering you that much. Don't feel anybody is jumping on you though, I mean there wouldn't be a reason to do so for people around here anyways right, it's just a good post stating pretty much everything that could be used as argument against how the postseason pitcher fatigue works in the game right now. Nothing directed against you personally. That being said, pleasee give our knight some love guys, also he needs it! [emoji4]

[Fours]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Well thanks for telling me what I was thinking or saying....

But no...and if you read the patch thread....I already stated that I don't necessarily agree with it.....but perhaps on why it is set up that way.

Nice to see all you guys bailing on me right away though.
Cool.



M.K.
Knight165

...and I love how you guys scream stats/stats/stats......when it fits...but we want to ignore it here.


M.K.
Knight165

Your post was crafted in a way that would lead us to google IP/Start, see a reduction, and back down admitting the game seems to have enforced an accurate drop in total innings.

Nothing was meant as a personal attack, I don't see how anyone bailed on you. I haven't seen anyone try to justify the Sudden Fatigue Syndrome explanation, you were the first to push back against the consensus.

As for stats, they technically support both sides in this case. They aren't being ignored, they're being explained in a better way that removes the need for Sudden Fatigue Syndrome.

We're all here because we love this game, and baseball. This is honest, real-time, verified customer feed back, most companies would love to have that. If we all just raved about how great it was, it wouldn't improve as quickly.

When you've purchased every past edition of a game, and plan to keep doing that annually until you're literally dead, you feel entitled to provide constructive criticism

[Jr.]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

...and I love how you guys scream stats/stats/stats......when it fits...but we want to ignore it here.


M.K.
Knight165

What stats indicate or can be inferred to say that pitchers recover at a different rate in October when compared to April through September?

[Smallville102001]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

What stats indicate or can be inferred to say that pitchers recover at a different rate in October when compared to April through September?

I don't think there is really any thing that shows that pitchers get tired faster in October compared to the rest of the year. Like people said yes pitchers don't go as deep in playoffs but that is more just because pitchers are going to be pulled sooner in playoffs then in regular season because ever game is so important not because they cant throw as many pitches. There is nothing that proves a pitcher in regular season can throw 100 pitches but in playoffs can only throw like 90. Really if you wanted to you could always say play regular season with starting pitcher stamina at say 6 and then when it comes to playoffs play with it at say 4 to make it like pitchers get tired faster in playoffs if you wanted to rather then the game have pitchers get tired faster in playoffs all by them self's. With that said I wonder like how much does the playoff stamina differ from regular season stamina in this game. Like if you play with stamina slider at 6 in regular season would having it at 8 in the playoffs be like the same as 6 in regular season?

[Knight165]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Rather than multi-quote and reply....

- I was quoting a poster who said..."ask Mad-Bum or Shilling"....as if pitchers were going 8 or 9 innings with regularity in the playoffs....

-I've said in other threads.....while it might be a number of managerial and player factors that lead to lower inning thrown by starters in the playoffs....

I will ask you guys....how would you keep the USER from pitching 9 innings with his top three starters and handcuff the CPU with other logic(quicker hooks etc) and keep it fair?
What mechanism are you suggesting to put in place to keep me from pitching Harvey 9 innings in three games with REGULARITY as the manager of the Mets...
when the average of IP per starter in the playoffs is 5.65.
That's a pretty big USER advantage.

M.K.
Knight165

[Jr.]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Rather than multi-quote and reply....

- I was quoting a poster who said..."ask Mad-Bum or Shilling"....as if pitchers were going 8 or 9 innings with regularity in the playoffs....

-I've said in other threads.....while it might be a number of managerial and player factors that lead to lower inning thrown by starters in the playoffs....

I will ask you guys....how would you keep the USER from pitching 9 innings with his top three starters and handcuff the CPU with other logic(quicker hooks etc) and keep it fair?
What mechanism are you suggesting to put in place to keep me from pitching Harvey 9 innings in three games with REGULARITY as the manager of the Mets...
when the average of IP per starter in the playoffs is 5.65.
That's a pretty big USER advantage.

M.K.
Knight165

Why do you have to go to the extreme? Were guys able to throw 9 IP for 3 games in a 7 game series last year? I know my starters couldn't. If I tried to bring my starter back for game 4 after game 1, his stamina was around 85-90%, which seemed about right. I really didn't think anything needed to change from last year (or any year prior to that, as far as I remember).

Besides.. if a guy wants to throw his starter 9 IP in every single game, he's always been able to do that with slider adjustments. It's never been an issue until this year for some reason, and the decision seems completely reversed of the desired outcome (as stated by a developer in this thread, to help facilitate a 4 man rotation).

You also weren't quoting a single person in the post that I quoted. By referring to "you guys" that means more than one person and I took it to assume anyone that is against the way this is implemented. Again, if this is misinterpreted, I apologize. But you seem to be blindly defending this by trying to manipulate stats (as others have mentioned) to justify this rather terribly implemented adjustment.

[N51_rob]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

I will ask you guys....how would you keep the USER from pitching 9 innings with his top three starters and handcuff the CPU with other logic(quicker hooks etc) and keep it fair?
What mechanism are you suggesting to put in place to keep me from pitching Harvey 9 innings in three games with REGULARITY as the manager of the Mets...
when the average of IP per starter in the playoffs is 5.65.
That's a pretty big USER advantage.

M.K.
Knight165

I couldn't answer to be honest. But when I Pitch Chris Tillman 7 innings around 100 pitches game one of the ALDS, we sweep and then 6 days later when the ALCS starts he is at less than 85% its a problem.

[Smallville102001]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

I couldn't answer to be honest. But when I Pitch Chris Tillman 7 innings around 100 pitches game one of the ALDS, we sweep and then 6 days later when the ALCS starts he is at less than 85% its a problem.

Yeah that is a problem for sure. A guy is still 15% from full even though he got 6 days off 2 more then a player normal gets in the regular season. While maybe what they should do is say a guy in regular season starts a game and say 4 days latter he is at 95% when he pitches again. While say in playoffs with the same thing he would be 85% in stead of 95%.

[Smallville102001]

Re: Starting Pitcher stamina in playoffs

Rather than multi-quote and reply....

- I was quoting a poster who said..."ask Mad-Bum or Shilling"....as if pitchers were going 8 or 9 innings with regularity in the playoffs....

-I've said in other threads.....while it might be a number of managerial and player factors that lead to lower inning thrown by starters in the playoffs....

I will ask you guys....how would you keep the USER from pitching 9 innings with his top three starters and handcuff the CPU with other logic(quicker hooks etc) and keep it fair?
What mechanism are you suggesting to put in place to keep me from pitching Harvey 9 innings in three games with REGULARITY as the manager of the Mets...
when the average of IP per starter in the playoffs is 5.65.
That's a pretty big USER advantage.

M.K.
Knight165

While I think a USER is going to have a quicker hook in playoffs to and people can always try to find ways to cheat and ways to play unrealistically but I would rather just lower my stamina slider by like 1 or 2 in playoffs.