CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

[KnightTemplar]

Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

This average is fine, depending on the situations in which they were removed. I think the league average is like 5.6 or something so it is incredibly accurate, but if they were removed in the 4th after allowing 2 runs and a few hits and have not really labored, i.e. they gave up a 2R HR, then they shouldn't be removed.

I have now played in 20 games total, 9 in one franchise and 11 in another and I can say this is more of a non issue than I thought. I work the count, a lot, and play on AS. I have lowered manager hook to 2, increased SP stamina to 7 and lowered RP stamina to 3. I have seen Verlander go 8.1 innings, giving up 2 ER and throwing 110 pitches, I've seen pitchers give up 4 runs in the first and still go past 5 innings, I have seen pitchers pulled after 3 and allowing 5 runs, it seems relatively inconsistent, but then so is baseball. My main concern is the relief appearance length. I faced a RP who gave up 6 ER in 3 innings and came out for the 9th to finish the game. Maybe he had good stamina and their pen was tired, but idk it just seemed weird.

Your sliders are almost the same as mine. I play on AS also, occasionally I'll do a game on HOF.

Gamers can also do this with the CPU. If the CPU RP comes up and you think the AI should have taken him out, switch teams, pinch hit, then go back to your team. I haven't done that, but I certainly would do it if the situation dictated it. For AL/DH games, just remove him and replace with another pitcher.

Always a way to "fix" some diversions in life.

[CleveCluby]

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I am still waiting on someone to explain to me that if this is a QC issue only. Why did 42 out of 50 simmed game box scores show that the SP was pulled in 5 full innings or less. I guess I just got bad luck choosing 10 random teams and checking there 5 games in the box scores. Maybe I got a defective disc or my PS4 isn't working properly.

Also if you do check some box scores, you just might find the Pitcher was batting in the 7th or 8th spot. But again, after many many different test, I might have gotten a bad game because I keep coming up with the same results

I will run another test today. I am honestly and sincerely asking some of you to try this test. Start a franchise. Sim the first 5 games for the entire franchise regular season... Not spring training. Pick any ten teams and check there box scores for the 5 games. Keep track of all the games the SP was pulled before 5.1 innings and while you are at it. Check to see where the pitcher batted. I can't be the only person coming up with pretty close the same results over and over and if I am. Then I guess I am just bad luck with games.

The least amount of times I have found a SP not being pulled after 5 innings was 14 games out of 50. And most of those were pulled after 6inn. It is very rare to find a SP going more than 7. Thanks in advance..

[KnightTemplar]

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I am still waiting on someone to explain to me that if this is a QC issue only. Why did 42 out of 50 simmed game box scores show that the SP was pulled in 5 full innings or less. I guess I just got bad luck choosing 10 random teams and checking there 5 games in the box scores. Maybe I got a defective disc or my PS4 isn't working properly.

Also if you do check some box scores, you just might find the Pitcher was batting in the 7th or 8th spot. But again, after many many different test, I might have gotten a bad game because I keep coming up with the same results

I will run another test today. I am honestly and sincerely asking some of you to try this test. Start a franchise. Sim the first 5 games for the entire franchise regular season... Not spring training. Pick any ten teams and check there box scores for the 5 games. Keep track of all the games the SP was pulled before 5.1 innings and while you are at it. Check to see where the pitcher batted. I can't be the only person coming up with pretty close the same results over and over and if I am. Then I guess I am just bad luck with games.

The least amount of times I have found a SP not being pulled after 5 innings was 14 games out of 50. And most of those were pulled after 6inn. It is very rare to find a SP going more than 7. Thanks in advance..

I'll try this for you and post my results. 50 games, random team. I've got to get going today, so I'll try the Dodgers, who have a great SP staff and see how it goes.

[BobSacamano]

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In my experience, the issue is way more prevalent with mid-rotation or worse starters. The only pitchers that I've seen reach the 7th and 8th innings were (a) Kershaw-type studs, or (b) pitching a shutout. Even so, the pitchers in both categories are yanked when there is an inkling of trouble (walk, hit, etc).

I would also try some time later in the season (June or July or something) just in case the game employs some sort of logic that has pitchers ramping up their pitch count in April. I know the game used to have an audio clip of Matt V. saying something along the lines of "the manager is leaving his pitcher in awfully long for an early season game". I don't know if that was just an audio clip or if the game actually considered the month in their bullpen management strategy.


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[KnightTemplar]

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CleveCluby, simmed the first month of the Dodgers season. Below are the innings pitched by their SPs:

8 Kershaw
5 (team was behind 2-0 in the 5th)
5 (team was behind 3-0 in the 5th)
4 (Team behind 2-1 in 4th, pitcher charged with 3 runs and actually pulled in the 5th inning)
5 (game was 1-1)
7 Kershaw
6.1 (1-0 victory)
4 (down 2-0 after 4)
4 (with 3-1 lead had 6k, 2BB)
6 (2-1 win)
7 (kershaw 7 hits, 3, runs, 4BB, 1K team was down 3-0)
6.2 (0-0 battle)
8 (McCarthy blow out)
8 (Ryu -8-0 shutout)
5 (7-0 lead....)
9 (kershaw blow out)
6 (3-1 lead)
5 (5-2 lead)
5 (4-2 lead)
3 (down 6-0)
5 (Kershaw down 3-1)
8.1 (7-0 win)
4 (down 3-0)
7 ((up 4-)
8 (up 5-0)

Where a SP pitched an even amount of innings, e.g. 5, I did not go to the recap to see what happened in the following inning (if in fact he went to the mound and let's say gave up a couple hits/walks before getting anyone out)

[forme95]

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Is anyone seeing mound visits by the pitching coach or catcher this year? I have yet to see it.

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[EWRMETS]

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In my experience, the issue is way more prevalent with mid-rotation or worse starters. The only pitchers that I've seen reach the 7th and 8th innings were (a) Kershaw-type studs, or (b) pitching a shutout. Even so, the pitchers in both categories are yanked when there is an inkling of trouble (walk, hit, etc).
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That seems pretty realistic to me.

[miamikb2001]

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Is anyone seeing mound visits by the pitching coach or catcher this year? I have yet to see it.

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Come to think of it not sure i have seen it either


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[KnightTemplar]

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Come to think of it not sure i have seen it either


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Have seen the pitching coach and have seen the catcher walk to the mound, but not the cut scene.

[underdog13]

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CleveCluby, simmed the first month of the Dodgers season. Below are the innings pitched by their SPs:

8 Kershaw
5 (team was behind 2-0 in the 5th)
5 (team was behind 3-0 in the 5th)
4 (Team behind 2-1 in 4th, pitcher charged with 3 runs and actually pulled in the 5th inning)
5 (game was 1-1)
7 Kershaw
6.1 (1-0 victory)
4 (down 2-0 after 4)
4 (with 3-1 lead had 6k, 2BB)
6 (2-1 win)
7 (kershaw 7 hits, 3, runs, 4BB, 1K team was down 3-0)
6.2 (0-0 battle)
8 (McCarthy blow out)
8 (Ryu -8-0 shutout)
5 (7-0 lead....)
9 (kershaw blow out)
6 (3-1 lead)
5 (5-2 lead)
5 (4-2 lead)
3 (down 6-0)
5 (Kershaw down 3-1)
8.1 (7-0 win)
4 (down 3-0)
7 ((up 4-)
8 (up 5-0)

Where a SP pitched an even amount of innings, e.g. 5, I did not go to the recap to see what happened in the following inning (if in fact he went to the mound and let's say gave up a couple hits/walks before getting anyone out)

I feel like many of those 5's are unrealistic. Imo should be plenty more 5.1 , 5.2 , 6 , 6.1

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[underdog13]

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Is anyone seeing mound visits by the pitching coach or catcher this year? I have yet to see it.

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I saw the cutscene yesterday

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[KnightTemplar]

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CleveCluby, simmed the Dodgers first month again. THIS TIME I GAVE ALL THE SPS A 99 STAMINA. Rotation is Kershaw, Maeda, Ryu, Wood, McCarthy. First month results.

Kershaw 9
Maeda 2.1 (gave up 9 hits 7 runs)
McCarthy 8 (7-2 win)
Ryu 7.1 (1-1 when pulled)
Wood (6 was down 3-1 had given up 11 hits)
Kershaw 4 (gave up 6 hits, 4 runs)
Maeda 9 (11-1 blowout)
McCarthy 5 (down 3-0, 7 hits three runs)
Ryu 6 (down 2-0 9 hits)
Wood 6 (down 2-0)
Kershaw 7 (up 1-0)
Maeda 8
McCarthy 6 (down 2-0)
Ryu 6 (down 2-0)
Wood 4 (gave up 9 hits 4 runs)
Kershaw 6 (2-2)
Maeda 6 (down 3-0)
McCarthy 5 (down 4-0_
Ryu 8
Wood 5 (down 3-1)
Kershaw 8.1
Maeda (down 4-1)
Mccarthy 9(2-0)
Ryu 5.1 (down 2-0)
Wood 5.2 (2-2 4BB)

[CleveCluby]

Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

Thank you Knight Templar. I really appreciate that. Thanks for taking the time. The Dodgers have a pretty good Pitching staff. Your results were 12 out of 25 games the SP got pulled in 5 full or less. That's far better results than I get. That's close to 50 percent of the time. The results that I get are about 65 to 70 percent of the time the SP gets pulled before the 6th. Again though I don't check just one team.. I pick 10 different teams and check five of there games.

I am also assuming that the Dodgers are your team. Please correct me if I am wrong. Did you happen to notice where the Pitcher batted in the line up, I have found a few games where the SP and REL pitcher were batting in the 7 and 8th spot. I did notice that this seemed to happen when an AL team played a NL team at there home.

BobSacamano.. Thanks for the suggestion. I will try that today. I have just been starting franchises and just running the first month, But any suggestion is greatly appreciated. Some people think I am being rude which I do not intend to be. I just love BB and this is now my only opportunity to play it again. I am just trying to find away to make the most out of it. For me personally this SP issue just takes all the fun and realism out of the game.

If others don't mind it. God Bless them. I just can not get into the fact that I am having a great Pitching duel and a close game, I can't hit this guy and I know when it comes to the 5th inning or start of the sixth, They are going to pull him if I get a walk or a hit. That simply is not strategic Baseball. Then I know I'm going to crush the reliever and he is gonna stay in there for the next 3 innings or more.

Some people may enjoy that. I don't and as I have said, this was never an issue in 14 thru 16. So why is it now. ? I can assume it is because of the Humanity and Quirks being added to the game. Trying to balance each factor out. I love the idea of these options and I am truly hoping the devs will find an adjustment or a happy medium that pleases most of us.

What really angers me is when a few say there is no problem just leave it alone and seem to have no concern for the many many of us that do see it as an issue. To each there own, But when this many people see the same issue, then it is an issue.

Some only see it as a QC problem but I have done several test and I feel it is a problem throughout the game. It may be worse in the QC because of how they count the pitches, but there are plenty of people that play with QC, I am one of them, And I would like to be able to continue to play that way with just a little realism and logic.

And yes, I have seen the mound visits on occasion. A few have been just quick cut scenes but I have also seen full visit.

[EWRMETS]

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You should definitely keep posting at least 6 paragraph essays about this a day.

[KnightTemplar]

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Thank you Knight Templar. I really appreciate that. Thanks for taking the time. The Dodgers have a pretty good Pitching staff. Your results were 12 out of 25 games the SP got pulled in 5 full or less.
I am also assuming that the Dodgers are your team. Please correct me if I am wrong. Did you happen to notice where the Pitcher batted in the line up, I have found a few games where the SP and REL pitcher were batting in the 7 and 8th spot. I did notice that this seemed to happen when an AL team played a NL team at there home.

If others don't mind it. God Bless them. I just can not get into the fact that I am having a great Pitching duel and a close game, I can't hit this guy and I know when it comes to the 5th inning or start of the sixth, They are going to pull him if I get a walk or a hit. That simply is not strategic Baseball. Then I know I'm going to crush the reliever and he is gonna stay in there for the next 3 innings or more.

Some people may enjoy that. I don't and as I have said, this was never an issue in 14 thru 16. So why is it now. ? I can assume it is because of the Humanity and Quirks being added to the game. Trying to balance each factor out. I love the idea of these options and I am truly hoping the devs will find an adjustment or a happy medium that pleases most of us.

What really angers me is when a few say there is no problem just leave it alone and seem to have no concern for the many many of us that do see it as an issue. To each there own, But when this many people see the same issue, then it is an issue.

Some only see it as a QC problem but I have done several test and I feel it is a problem throughout the game. It may be worse in the QC because of how they count the pitches, but there are plenty of people that play with QC, I am one of them, And I would like to be able to continue to play that way with just a little realism and logic.

And yes, I have seen the mound visits on occasion. A few have been just quick cut scenes but I have also seen full visit.

No problem, and no didn't look at the pitcher batting 8th situation. My team isn't the Dodgers (Cleveland) I just used them as they have a good pitching staff. I think about half the pitchers who were pulled 5, or less, would have/might have been pulled in real life (dunno).

The second test might suggest that raising their individual stamina had an effect (however, you'd think the sliders would have an effect on that, so it's unknown, I guess), but, in your case that doesn't help with you playing v. the CPU.

Can I ask what your settings are, sliders?