Re: Shohei Otani in The Show

[bronxbombers21325]

Re: Shohei Otani in The Show

Except he'll be a licensed player next year. Also, it's not gonna be a one an done thing. McKay on the Rays (even though it'll be a couple years), Bethancourt, among others are two way players (kinda). They'd be doing themselves a favor figuring this out sooner rather than later (and let's not forget that they coded out Venditte's switch pitching. And he's a minor leaguer again, even if he's licensed now, he's still somewhat irrelevant, which makes me sad personally)

Like I've said before, easy solution would be to make it so a pitcher with a secondary position will show up in the lineup screen. And then you can put the guy in the lineup. If he's pitching that day, he'll be replaced by someone who can play that position (or if it's the DH, the best hitter will be chosen). The first part being the easy part, the rest being the full solution for the most part.

I agree, I think that this is going to become more and more the norm over the next 10 years. They'll have to address it in the game at some point. Whether or not they do it this upcoming season is yet to be seen. Personally, I doubt that it gets addressed in the 18 version of the game. I'd expect it to be addressed in 19. Just my opinion though, we have a great dev team who really loves the game, so they may surprise us this year.

[GoDucks1224]

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I agree, I think that this is going to become more and more the norm over the next 10 years. They'll have to address it in the game at some point. Whether or not they do it this upcoming season is yet to be seen. Personally, I doubt that it gets addressed in the 18 version of the game. I'd expect it to be addressed in 19. Just my opinion though, we have a great dev team who really loves the game, so they may surprise us this year.

I agree. I don’t think it’ll happen this year. I mean just last year during the streams Ramone said it’s not even on their radar, because there was only one or two players it applied to, but Ohtani almost came over last year. So I don’t think they’ll do it unless Ohtani is truly a staple in the lineup which will hopefully force their hand. I think the solution we will have to use will be to create two Ohtani’s.

[breakfastcat]

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I agree. I don’t think it’ll happen this year. I mean just last year during the streams Ramone said it’s not even on their radar, because there was only one or two players it applied to, but Ohtani almost came over last year. So I don’t think they’ll do it unless Ohtani is truly a staple in the lineup which will hopefully force their hand. I think the solution we will have to use will be to create two Ohtani’s.

All I know is, it they aren't able to make him a 2-way player, and Ohtani ends up being good on both sides of the plate, then I'm gonna be pretty annoyed playing as my team in franchise this year. I really hope they can make it work. With how early he signed in the offseason, I feel like there would have been plenty of development time left to get something like that in. All I think they would need to do is allow pitchers to have a secondary position in the field or DH. Obviously most pitchers wouldn't have that, but the ones that do show up on the bench in the lineup screen when they are not pitching. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that. Pitchers already have hitting and fielding attributes built in.

[gamer052001]

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Yeah, we are able to PH with pitchers now. It seems extremely simple to have them available to start in the lineup.

Opening up the secondary positions is long overdue as well though.

[ninertravel]

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Except he'll be a licensed player next year. Also, it's not gonna be a one an done thing. McKay on the Rays (even though it'll be a couple years), Bethancourt, among others are two way players (kinda). They'd be doing themselves a favor figuring this out sooner rather than later (and let's not forget that they coded out Venditte's switch pitching. And he's a minor leaguer again, even if he's licensed now, he's still somewhat irrelevant, which makes me sad personally)

Like I've said before, easy solution would be to make it so a pitcher with a secondary position will show up in the lineup screen. And then you can put the guy in the lineup. If he's pitching that day, he'll be replaced by someone who can play that position (or if it's the DH, the best hitter will be chosen). The first part being the easy part, the rest being the full solution for the most part.

Possibly, secondly positions are hidden for some players like Prado and Zoberist etc that can player every position (we don't have the ability to change that with created players)

But this is a whole new ball game when player traits are linked to position players or pitchers.

[gamer052001]

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Has this been addressed yet with any of the streams?

[ninertravel]

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not yet, and it won't because Otani isn't even in the game for it to be talked about

[gamer052001]

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You keep saying he's not going to be in the game. I am well aware that he won't be added until the first roster update. If they don't have the foresight to understand he will be in the game and this will be a point of contention for many users, then that is an issue. How many games do you think people are going to play with the original roster set, lol?

[ninertravel]

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You keep saying he's not going to be in the game. I am well aware that he won't be added until the first roster update. If they don't have the foresight to understand he will be in the game and this will be a point of contention for many users, then that is an issue. How many games do you think people are going to play with the original roster set, lol?

You do realize that players SCEA create are only created players right?? the same editor we use to create players.. which you can import and export. there is no way in hell one of those players named Otani will be a 2 position player because it's something that has to be built into the game.

and if it was, by some miracle that means we would be able to export this 2 position player to create as many of 2 position players as we want using that template.

Legally he is not in the game right now, and they can't change that or build a something in around someone that as for Feb 9 is still legally not able to be in the game.

it's like saying that when your franchise turns into 2019 they can change the Indians jerseys to the new ones with the logo removed.

[gamer052001]

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You do realize that players SCEA create are only created players right?? the same editor we use to create players.. which you can import and export. there is no way in hell one of those players named Otani will be a 2 position player because it's something that has to be built into the game.

and if it was, by some miracle that means we would be able to export this 2 position player to create as many of 2 position players as we want using that template.

Legally he is not in the game right now, and they can't change that or build a something in around someone that as for Feb 9 is still legally not able to be in the game.

it's like saying that when your franchise turns into 2019 they can change the Indians jerseys to the new ones with the logo removed.

You do realize they have already done this for Jason Lane as a player with a secondary position of OF, right? He was not in the original roster and was included in roster update.
Not the same editor we use to create players and definitely not a miracle either. I have carried him over the last three years or so and used it to import/export for Micah Owings, Jordan Schafer, and Anthony Gose to give them a secondary position of OF.

None of that is really the point though. The point is that you can't DH a pitcher. Something that Bumgarner did two years ago in a game, and what Ohtani will be doing consistently this year.

[douggoud]

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You do realize that players SCEA create are only created players right?? the same editor we use to create players.. which you can import and export. there is no way in hell one of those players named Otani will be a 2 position player because it's something that has to be built into the game.

and if it was, by some miracle that means we would be able to export this 2 position player to create as many of 2 position players as we want using that template.

Legally he is not in the game right now, and they can't change that or build a something in around someone that as for Feb 9 is still legally not able to be in the game.

it's like saying that when your franchise turns into 2019 they can change the Indians jerseys to the new ones with the logo removed.

Even if he won't be in the game until the first roster update, what's stopping SCEA from adding the ability to have a two way player? He signed with the Angels way back in the beginning of December, announced he was coming over before that. SCEA has had a good amount of time to add something in. And this doesn't necessarily seem like something that would need an entire cycle to add in. (I wouldn't know though since I only know very basic coding). But doing it as soon as they can will only benefit them since if not now, it's next year, or even if for whatever reason Ohtani somehow never plays in the MLB, you've got Brendan McKay coming up in a few years trying to do the same thing.

So to say they can't make anything before hand is pretty short sighted. You can totally put something in a game that will apply to a future player just for the sake of the game. It's not impossible.

[GoDucks1224]

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Even if he won't be in the game until the first roster update, what's stopping SCEA from adding the ability to have a two way player? He signed with the Angels way back in the beginning of December, announced he was coming over before that. SCEA has had a good amount of time to add something in. And this doesn't necessarily seem like something that would need an entire cycle to add in. (I wouldn't know though since I only know very basic coding). But doing it as soon as they can will only benefit them since if not now, it's next year, or even if for whatever reason Ohtani somehow never plays in the MLB, you've got Brendan McKay coming up in a few years trying to do the same thing.



So to say they can't make anything before hand is pretty short sighted. You can totally put something in a game that will apply to a future player just for the sake of the game. It's not impossible.

Plus the Astros are planning on giving Anthony Gose a shot at being a lefty reliever and maybe a sixth outfielder/pinch runner.

[ninertravel]

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You do realize they have already done this for Jason Lane as a player with a secondary position of OF, right? He was not in the original roster and was included in roster update.
Not the same editor we use to create players and definitely not a miracle either. I have carried him over the last three years or so and used it to import/export for Micah Owings, Jordan Schafer, and Anthony Gose to give them a secondary position of OF.

None of that is really the point though. The point is that you can't DH a pitcher. Something that Bumgarner did two years ago in a game, and what Ohtani will be doing consistently this year.

we are not talking about secondary position here, guys like prado and Zoberist have been coded in for this as well for years.

we are talking about changing the entire build of the game. the game is not built to read a position player as a pitcher. think player traits. and when you look at career stats a position players stats don't show pitcher stats. this changes the awards voting and all star voting algorithms. etc. and you are expecting them to have all this ready for a player that won't be in the game till the first roster update midday through April

[gamer052001]

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we are not talking about secondary position here, guys like prado and Zoberist have been coded in for this as well for years.

we are talking about changing the entire build of the game. the game is not built to read a position player as a pitcher. think player traits. and when you look at career stats a position players stats don't show pitcher stats. this changes the awards voting and all star voting algorithms. etc. and you are expecting them to have all this ready for a player that won't be in the game till the first roster update midday through April

You keep changing the reason why you think this can't be done.

The game isn't built to read a position player as a pitcher, but it is built to have a pitcher with hitting ratings and stats. Mainly because, well, they hit in the NL. Awards and all star voting algorithms. Really? Aside from the fact that they already have a Silver Slugger for pitchers, who cares?

But yes, I do expect them to have "all this ready". Whether it's Bumgarner and Ohtani at DH, Bethancourt at C, Schafer and Gose at OF, or McKay at 1B, the two way players are here. We should be able to use them accordingly, especially with the amount of attention Ohtani will be receiving this year.

[Chiphof2018]

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They don’t have to change the entire build of the game. All they have to do is allow users and the CPU to DH pitchers. They already allow for us to pinch hit with them. All that needs to change is that we can see them on the menu before the haw starts.


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Except if you do that you are required to put them on the mound. That is what they will have to remedy.