MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

[Pirates0515]

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I'm looking to move some players around in my Franchise, both with Texas and other teams to create an active deadline and to expand on our Realistic Trade Log. Let me get some criticism on these deals.

Manny Machado to St. Louis Cardinals
STL Receives: Manny Machado
BAL Receives: Jack Flaherty | Tyler O'Neill | Yairo Munoz

Consideration: St. Louis would make every effort to resign Machado.

Josh Donaldson to New York Yankees
NYY Receives: Josh Donaldson
TOR Receives: Justus Sheffield | Thairo Estrada

Michael Fulmer to Milwaukee Brewers
MIL Receives: Michael Fulmer | Alex Wilson
DET Receives: Keon Broxton | Corbin Burnes | Keston Hiura | Brett Phillips

Shin Soo Choo to Cleveland Indians
CLE Receives: Shin Soo Choo | Michael O'Neill
TEX Receives: Conner Capel

Consideration: Cash dump from Texas. Exchanging lottery tickets who were born in each team's State. Choo gives Cleveland an extra outfield/DH piece. Choo was an Indian from 2006-2012 so there is an established relationship.

Ian Happ to Texas Rangers
TEX Receives: Ian Happ | Jason Heyward
CHI Receives: Delino DeShields Jr. | Carlos Tocci | Luis Marte

Consideration: Texas is primarily interested in acquiring Ian Happ as a future outfield piece. Thus they're willing to take on Heyward's contract and will primarily use him in the vacant DH spot formerly filled by Choo. Chicago receives a starter in DeShields Jr. to replace Happ, a high-level lottery outfield pice in Tocci and potential utility man in Marte (down the road). This is done with the expectation that Chicago will clear out cap space for a run at Bryce Harper.

Paul Goldschmidt to New York Yankees
NYY Receives: Paul Goldschmidt | Yasmany Tomas
ARI Receives: Greg Bird | Estevan Florial | Miguel Andujar | Chance Adams

Consideration: Arizona decides to recoup and plan for a rebuild by dealing Goldschmidt to the Yankees. They're willing to take a smaller return to rid themselves of Yasmany's contract.

AJ Pollock to Chicago White Sox
CHI Receives: AJ Pollock
ARI Receives: Lucas Giolito | Blake Rutherford

I think in the Machado deal you should add Conner Greene

The Blue Jays would never trade Donaldson to the Yankees so in that aspect of the deal it wouldn't work

The Fulmer and Shin-Too Choo deals are fine

Ian Happ trade would never happen. Happ is a young player the Cubs want to keep and I just don't think the cubs would want those 3 players in return

The Goldy deal is fine but I just don't think Goldy is going anywhere plus the Tomas contract for the Yankees isn't attractive

and the pollock deal is another deal that isn't realistic in a sense that the white sox don't want to trade young talent for an aging player like pollock (30 years old)

You may not like what I have said but I'm just thinking in terms of "real life" trade scenarios. but of course it would also depend on records come all-star break

[jdiaz891]

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I think in the Machado deal you should add Conner Greene

The Blue Jays would never trade Donaldson to the Yankees so in that aspect of the deal it wouldn't work

The Fulmer and Shin-Too Choo deals are fine

Ian Happ trade would never happen. Happ is a young player the Cubs want to keep and I just don't think the cubs would want those 3 players in return

The Goldy deal is fine but I just don't think Goldy is going anywhere plus the Tomas contract for the Yankees isn't attractive

and the pollock deal is another deal that isn't realistic in a sense that the white sox don't want to trade young talent for an aging player like pollock (30 years old)

You may not like what I have said but I'm just thinking in terms of "real life" trade scenarios. but of course it would also depend on records come all-star break

I find this interesting. The moves im thinking about are Manny Machado to the rangers and Donaldson to the cardinals instead.

Beltre is done after this season i believe and I think Machado would have no issue playing 3 on a team that can contend. He shouldnt bring in a crazy amount to prospect since hes on a 1 yr deal and orioles cant afford to keep him after this year. There is also no guarantee he would resign on accept an extension

Donaldson has been connected to trade talks with the cardinals before this season.

[JDiaz1]

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Aren't they in sell out mode?

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They still need to get assets back.

[TheBigTee]

MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

Edit-Answered my questions by referring to spreadsheet on first page.

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[MrSerendipity]

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I think in the Machado deal you should add Conner Greene



The Blue Jays would never trade Donaldson to the Yankees so in that aspect of the deal it wouldn't work



The Fulmer and Shin-Too Choo deals are fine



Ian Happ trade would never happen. Happ is a young player the Cubs want to keep and I just don't think the cubs would want those 3 players in return



The Goldy deal is fine but I just don't think Goldy is going anywhere plus the Tomas contract for the Yankees isn't attractive



and the pollock deal is another deal that isn't realistic in a sense that the white sox don't want to trade young talent for an aging player like pollock (30 years old)



You may not like what I have said but I'm just thinking in terms of "real life" trade scenarios. but of course it would also depend on records come all-star break

Some of your assessments I think are fine, others I definitely disagree with. New York has the farm system to entice Toronto. Inner-division deals aren’t regular but they’re definitely an occurrence and Donaldson fits a need for New York. If we’re talking Machado to the Yankees (which is far more far-fetched) it’s not unreasonable to believe New York and Toronto could deal. The two teams engaged in a trade last July.

The Ian Happ deal is the most difficult scenario I presented without question. If the Cubs are acquiring Bryce Harper, they have to shed money. The most beneficial way for them to do that is by finding a taker for Heyward’s terrible contract. In finding a taker, you have to make that deal worthwhile. I think I’m giving good pieces back. But I do understand your input on their lack in desire to move Happ. I feel the same. That said, I think they’d take an outfield of DeShields Jr., Almora and Harper over Happ, Almora and Heyward.

Arizona has to decide what team they are. Personally, I don’t think they have team needed to surpass clubs like the Cubs and Dodgers in the NL. If they’re not competing now, they need start considering dealing some of those 30+ year old expensive pieces they have. I think they come to that realization soon. New York makes a ton of sense for Goldschmidt and they have the farm to get him. If I’m Arizona, I’m asking the richest club in baseball to take Tomas in the deal. His contract isn’t attractive for anyone but they can take the lump by shedding Ellsbury’s deal and asking Arizona to eat part of the contract.

[MrSerendipity]

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I find this interesting. The moves im thinking about are Manny Machado to the rangers and Donaldson to the cardinals instead.

Beltre is done after this season i believe and I think Machado would have no issue playing 3 on a team that can contend. He shouldnt bring in a crazy amount to prospect since hes on a 1 yr deal and orioles cant afford to keep him after this year. There is also no guarantee he would resign on accept an extension

Donaldson has been connected to trade talks with the cardinals before this season.

I’m a Rangers fan who would love Machado. We don’t have the pieces to get him without irresponsibly damaging our club. Sadly, writing is on the wall for our team. It’s time to deal what worthwhile pieces we have to restock the farm, not deplete it again. Especially not for a player that would likely sign with the Yankees, Cardinals or Red Sox over us.

[Pirates0515]

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[QUOTE=MrSerendipity;2049304418]Some of your assessments I think are fine, others I definitely disagree with. New York has the farm system to entice Toronto. Inner-division deals aren’t regular but they’re definitely an occurrence and Donaldson fits a need for New York. If we’re talking Machado to the Yankees (which is far more far-fetched) it’s not unreasonable to believe New York and Toronto could deal. The two teams engaged in a trade last July.

I understand where you are coming from on the Donaldson part but the yankees are looking for you controllable players. I think the yankees would rather have Andujar than Donaldson cuz Donaldson is 32 and Andujar is 23 and has some good potential. Also I think the Yankees will make a push for machado this winter so I don't believe the Donaldson trade is worth there assets. Instead use those guys to get a young controllable starter

[yshank973]

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They still need to get assets back.

I dont Control 30 team but I put cabrera and Lagares or Lagares and d Arnaud and they offered realmuto

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[Bard]

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I'm looking to move some players around in my Franchise, both with Texas and other teams to create an active deadline and to expand on our Realistic Trade Log. Let me get some criticism on these deals.

Manny Machado to St. Louis Cardinals
STL Receives: Manny Machado
BAL Receives: Jack Flaherty | Tyler O'Neill | Yairo Munoz

Consideration: St. Louis would make every effort to resign Machado.

Josh Donaldson to New York Yankees
NYY Receives: Josh Donaldson
TOR Receives: Justus Sheffield | Thairo Estrada

Michael Fulmer to Milwaukee Brewers
MIL Receives: Michael Fulmer | Alex Wilson
DET Receives: Keon Broxton | Corbin Burnes | Keston Hiura | Brett Phillips

Shin Soo Choo to Cleveland Indians
CLE Receives: Shin Soo Choo | Michael O'Neill
TEX Receives: Conner Capel

Consideration: Cash dump from Texas. Exchanging lottery tickets who were born in each team's State. Choo gives Cleveland an extra outfield/DH piece. Choo was an Indian from 2006-2012 so there is an established relationship.

Ian Happ to Texas Rangers
TEX Receives: Ian Happ | Jason Heyward
CHI Receives: Delino DeShields Jr. | Carlos Tocci | Luis Marte

Consideration: Texas is primarily interested in acquiring Ian Happ as a future outfield piece. Thus they're willing to take on Heyward's contract and will primarily use him in the vacant DH spot formerly filled by Choo. Chicago receives a starter in DeShields Jr. to replace Happ, a high-level lottery outfield pice in Tocci and potential utility man in Marte (down the road). This is done with the expectation that Chicago will clear out cap space for a run at Bryce Harper.

Paul Goldschmidt to New York Yankees
NYY Receives: Paul Goldschmidt | Yasmany Tomas
ARI Receives: Greg Bird | Estevan Florial | Miguel Andujar | Chance Adams

Consideration: Arizona decides to recoup and plan for a rebuild by dealing Goldschmidt to the Yankees. They're willing to take a smaller return to rid themselves of Yasmany's contract.

AJ Pollock to Chicago White Sox
CHI Receives: AJ Pollock
ARI Receives: Lucas Giolito | Blake Rutherford

Hi friends.

Machado is worth in the range of $18-23 million in surplus. Add in about $20 million with in-division trading of a superstar and he is sitting around $40 million in surplus.

Flaherty + O'Neil are probably a bit of an overpay, but that will do. Take out Munoz.

The Blue Jays probably won't take anything outside of Sheffield and Chance Adams. Have to add about $20 million in surplus for in-division trading.

That is probably the best possible deal for Fulmer. But it still isn't enough...

Fulmer is stupid valuable. $164 million I believe?

Choo deal is fine for what it is.

Take out one of Delino or Tocci and that deal is fine. Heyward is still decently valuable and Happ is an interesting get. I don't see why the Cubs would do this, but if it means they have a shot at Harper they would do it. Not the most realistic for sure.

Honestly, no chance on the last two. Yankees would want Tomas, and the Diamondbacks won't trade their franchise player. They would probably prefer to show their fans they made a good offer and he went elsewhere.

Why would the White Sox do that? They're rebuilding.

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[MrSerendipity]

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Hi friends.

Machado is worth in the range of $18-23 million in surplus. Add in about $20 million with in-division trading of a superstar and he is sitting around $40 million in surplus.

Flaherty + O'Neil are probably a bit of an overpay, but that will do. Take out Munoz.

The Blue Jays probably won't take anything outside of Sheffield and Chance Adams. Have to add about $20 million in surplus for in-division trading.

That is probably the best possible deal for Fulmer. But it still isn't enough...

Fulmer is stupid valuable. $164 million I believe?

Choo deal is fine for what it is.

Take out one of Delino or Tocci and that deal is fine. Heyward is still decently valuable and Happ is an interesting get. I don't see why the Cubs would do this, but if it means they have a shot at Harper they would do it. Not the most realistic for sure.

Honestly, no chance on the last two. Yankees would want Tomas, and the Diamondbacks won't trade their franchise player. They would probably prefer to show their fans they made a good offer and he went elsewhere.

Why would the White Sox do that? They're rebuilding.

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Thanks for the response. I just prefer the idea of Baltimore sticking one to the Yankees and dealing with St. Louis. I'll remove Munoz and add that to the log. I'll switch up the Donaldson trade as well.

As for Fulmer, should I pull the trigger or just leave Fulmer in Detroit? I agree, his value is crazy high.

How do you think I should approach Happ? Truthfully, I want to be as realistic as possible so if it just seems out of this world, I don't want to do it. I do love Happ, I'm willing to overpay and take on Heyward's contract to get him. And I have every intention to use 30 Team Control to sign Harper to a monster contract with Chicago. But I don't want to twist the cards you know?

I'll go ahead and nix both of the Diamondback trades. I understand the fan reputation perspective on Goldschmidt and agree Pollock is probably too old to be added Chicago. I was going for a "veteran leader" role there as some of their younger guys get acquainted with big league ball.

[Buccosback]

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I didnt do a 30 team control and I tried a suggested trade for them they want rosario Matz and familia lol

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I'm doing a pirates franchise and am looking to strengthen my bullpen. My bullpen has barely been used, but ik they are a weak group to begin with. Any ideas? I signed Trevor Rosenthal to a 2-year deal but won't bring him up until 2019 and do have Kevin seigrest in the minors but was looking for a power righty to pair with Felipe Rivero.

I'm also looking to upgrade at 3rd base. Wouldn't mind trading Colin Moran.

I'm actually really digging the bullpen:
Glasnow
Brault
Feliz
Crick
Kontos
Schugel
Rivero

only move i made to pitching was send down neverauskas and traded for another lefty chasen shreve from yankees.

also sent down freese and signed brandon phillips.

Liam Hendriks is a guy you could realistically get from A's since they suck but a guy i'm gonna go after in June/July is Carter Capps who is filthy


to get Capps i'm gonna trade Siegrist and a C prospect

[Pirates0515]

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I'm actually really digging the bullpen:
Glasnow
Brault
Feliz
Crick
Kontos
Schugel
Rivero

only move i made to pitching was send down neverauskas and traded for another lefty chasen shreve from yankees.

also sent down freese and signed brandon phillips.

Liam Hendriks is a guy you could realistically get from A's since they suck but a guy i'm gonna go after in June/July is Carter Capps who is filthy


to get Capps i'm gonna trade Siegrist and a C prospect

Pirates pen isn't terrible but schugel, crick, and Brault are just not players I think can help me win ballgames. Rivero, Kontos, Glasnow are great options, but im looking for a hard throwing righty who can complement Rivero. Also smoker isnt the lefty reliever I like. Would also like to trade for a lefty reliever who throws mid to upper 90's

[Pirates0515]

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Thanks for the response. I just prefer the idea of Baltimore sticking one to the Yankees and dealing with St. Louis. I'll remove Munoz and add that to the log. I'll switch up the Donaldson trade as well.

As for Fulmer, should I pull the trigger or just leave Fulmer in Detroit? I agree, his value is crazy high.

How do you think I should approach Happ? Truthfully, I want to be as realistic as possible so if it just seems out of this world, I don't want to do it. I do love Happ, I'm willing to overpay and take on Heyward's contract to get him. And I have every intention to use 30 Team Control to sign Harper to a monster contract with Chicago. But I don't want to twist the cards you know?

I'll go ahead and nix both of the Diamondback trades. I understand the fan reputation perspective on Goldschmidt and agree Pollock is probably too old to be added Chicago. I was going for a "veteran leader" role there as some of their younger guys get acquainted with big league ball.

pull the trigger on the Fulmer deal

I think maybe Heyward to Atlanta for Markakis and a C prospect. ik this sounds out there but hear me out. Cubs get veteran leadership for half a year and lose that contract but also get out of Heyward's to sign Harper. Braves would get someone they really valued back and maybe heyward performs better back "home". Braves have some space to take on Heyward's contract and possibly cubs throw some money in the deal as well as a prospect.

[drew_3]

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I know we don't want a hundred "what is a fair offer for Machado" posts but I'm from the UK and while I have followed US sports since I was very little the nuances of a fair trade still alude me so I will ask.

What would a fair trade be to get him to the Giants?

**EDIT**
Actually scrap that. Let me see if I understand this. Machado is rated at about $40m surplus?

Bard gave me some surplus values for Giants players already so - he said belt was $39m so that would get him? or Panik ($30m) and Samardzija ($14m) would also work?

[Yankees247]

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I know we don't want a hundred "what is a fair offer for Machado" posts but I'm from the UK and while I have followed US sports since I was very little the nuances of a fair trade still alude me so I will ask.

What would a fair trade be to get him to the Giants?

**EDIT**
Actually scrap that. Let me see if I understand this. Machado is rated at about $40m surplus?

Bard gave me some surplus values for Giants players already so - he said belt was $39m so that would get him? or Panik ($30m) and Samardzija ($14m) would also work?

It would take 40 million of surplus to bring him your way but at the same time it has to make sense for the other team as well so they do not need a first baseman or a second basemen so Belt and Panik are out and they are going to be going into rebuild mode so a old pitcher in samardzija doesnt make sense either. They would need prospects which for the Giants having a pretty weak farm it would take Ramos and Shaw to get Machado, but then you have 3 MLB third basemen or you would need to work on trading crawford which idk if you really want to do that either but here is a starting point