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  • Rmiok222
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    • Nov 2015
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    #661
    Official MLB 19 the Show Trade Discussion

    Originally posted by kinsmen7
    Gausman is relatively cheap ($5.2 mil surplus), but it'd really depend on where the Braves are sitting when you go to make the trade.



    What team are you trying to acquire him with?


    Sorry, I just realized I could of gave you a lot more details lol. This is actually spring training as I’m trying to make room for the young arms in the Braves organization. I was thinking of trading him to the brewers or the twins.

    Thanks for your help btw.


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    • boxers
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      • Jul 2004
      • 625

      #662
      Re: Official MLB 19 the Show Trade Discussion

      I think if they are having low 2 ERA years (minimal injury problems, good peripherals - k rate, etc...), you could get probably get a low B prospect (15-20) and a lottery ticket. Alternatively, another fair return could be an aging (24-26 yr old) B non prospect (someone who has struggled at MLB level or is blocked at their position). I'd look at the Liriano and Happ trades that the Jays made as examples (noting that they're both left handers).

      Sadly, I can't think of any recommendations but hope that helps.

      Originally posted by BlueJays09
      Do you think I could get a C (25-30) prospect from a team for Buchholtz or Richard?

      Buchholtz has been in the rotation with a low 2’s ERA and has been great.

      Richard actually has been between the rotation and bullpen and has been magical with an ERA below 2.

      Both guys giving me high quality innings and would be a welcomed addition to any rotation or bullpen who are contending. Both expiring contracts.

      I want to make room for the young guys but don’t want to give them away for nothing given their success this year.


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      • kinsmen7
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        • Mar 2016
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        #663
        Re: Official MLB 19 the Show Trade Discussion

        Originally posted by Rmiok222
        Sorry, I just realized I could of gave you a lot more details lol. This is actually spring training as I’m trying to make room for the young arms in the Braves organization. I was thinking of trading him to the brewers or the twins.

        Thanks for your help btw.


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        Maybe someone in Milwaukee's 20-25 range plus a lotto ticket? Je'von Ward perhaps?

        Twins-wise, maybe something similar? Lamonte Wade + someone not in their top 30?

        Combined with Darren O'day last year, they netted a 45fv+40+two guys not in the top 30 in Baltimore (who's farm system still isn't strong).

        His salary is reasonable enough ($9.35) that someone would possibly take a swing at him, but if he's pitching like he is IRL, there's a decent chance he gets non-tendered at the end of the season. Would you ever consider firing him in the bullpen? His stuff might play up as a multi-inning guy, plus your pen has some serious holes.
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        • kinsmen7
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          • Mar 2016
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          #664
          Re: Official MLB 19 the Show Trade Discussion

          Originally posted by boxers
          I think if they are having low 2 ERA years (minimal injury problems, good peripherals - k rate, etc...), you could get probably get a low B prospect (15-20) and a lottery ticket. Alternatively, another fair return could be an aging (24-26 yr old) B non prospect (someone who has struggled at MLB level or is blocked at their position). I'd look at the Liriano and Happ trades that the Jays made as examples (noting that they're both left handers).

          Sadly, I can't think of any recommendations but hope that helps.
          I'd disagree the 15-20. Happ had a history of success whereas Richard has never been much more than a innings eater. You might be able to pry a guy out of the very bottom end of a teams top 30, but he's a soft tossing 36 year old lefty with a career WAR of 1.6 (Which includes the .4 that he's got so far for the Jays). If he's got an ERA in the 2's, you can bet on some serious regression. You're also only giving up a couple of months of him.

          With Bucholz, you should be able to get a slightly more. Maybe someone from the 20-25 range, but that's probably a stretch as well. If we're comparing it to Happ, he netted a 45 fv MLB ready outfielder + Drury who is essentially a slightly above replacement level player who had no place to play in NY.
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          • boxers
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            • Jul 2004
            • 625

            #665
            Re: Official MLB 19 the Show Trade Discussion

            That's a fair point. As a Jays fan, I sometimes forget the resurgence Happ had while he was here.

            That said, I think if Bucholz is pitching around 2.50 ERA, he should be on track for a 2+WAR season to go along with his 3.2 WAR from 2018. Depending on Bucholz's peripherals, I think a team in contention would move definitely move a 20-25 prospect, 15-20 might have been too high without adding someone else to the deal. Would one of the spare part outfielders do the trick (Pompey, Davis, Alford, Drury)?

            Regarding Richard, he doesn't have the pedigree of Liriano but the results (save the strikeouts) are similar for the current season and 2 seasons prior to their trades. Initially I thought the deadline premium and solid season would net more but he doesn't the same upside as Liriano (which I can only assume the Astros were banking on). Are we thinking max 40 fv/lottery ticket?

            To conclude, kinsmen has convinced me of my overvaluation, so my new proposal would similar trades as the following:

            Richard: see Axford for Corey Copping last year, Loup for Waguespack
            Bucholz: a little less than the Liriano deal (Teoscard had been a top 10 prospect)

            Let me know if I'm still way off, guys. I'm still new at the trade discussion thread but I like the debates.

            Originally posted by kinsmen7
            I'd disagree the 15-20. Happ had a history of success whereas Richard has never been much more than a innings eater. You might be able to pry a guy out of the very bottom end of a teams top 30, but he's a soft tossing 36 year old lefty with a career WAR of 1.6 (Which includes the .4 that he's got so far for the Jays). If he's got an ERA in the 2's, you can bet on some serious regression. You're also only giving up a couple of months of him.

            With Bucholz, you should be able to get a slightly more. Maybe someone from the 20-25 range, but that's probably a stretch as well. If we're comparing it to Happ, he netted a 45 fv MLB ready outfielder + Drury who is essentially a slightly above replacement level player who had no place to play in NY.
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            • Rmiok222
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              • Nov 2015
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              #666
              Re: Official MLB 19 the Show Trade Discussion

              Originally posted by kinsmen7
              Maybe someone in Milwaukee's 20-25 range plus a lotto ticket? Je'von Ward perhaps?



              Twins-wise, maybe something similar? Lamonte Wade + someone not in their top 30?



              Combined with Darren O'day last year, they netted a 45fv+40+two guys not in the top 30 in Baltimore (who's farm system still isn't strong).



              His salary is reasonable enough ($9.35) that someone would possibly take a swing at him, but if he's pitching like he is IRL, there's a decent chance he gets non-tendered at the end of the season. Would you ever consider firing him in the bullpen? His stuff might play up as a multi-inning guy, plus your pen has some serious holes.


              Thanks. I actually considered moving either him or Foltynewicz to the bullpen to replace josh Tomlin. I may actually go that route.


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              • BlueJays09
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                • Jul 2011
                • 2553

                #667
                Re: Official MLB 19 the Show Trade Discussion

                Originally posted by boxers
                That's a fair point. As a Jays fan, I sometimes forget the resurgence Happ had while he was here.



                That said, I think if Bucholz is pitching around 2.50 ERA, he should be on track for a 2+WAR season to go along with his 3.2 WAR from 2018. Depending on Bucholz's peripherals, I think a team in contention would move definitely move a 20-25 prospect, 15-20 might have been too high without adding someone else to the deal. Would one of the spare part outfielders do the trick (Pompey, Davis, Alford, Drury)?



                Regarding Richard, he doesn't have the pedigree of Liriano but the results (save the strikeouts) are similar for the current season and 2 seasons prior to their trades. Initially I thought the deadline premium and solid season would net more but he doesn't the same upside as Liriano (which I can only assume the Astros were banking on). Are we thinking max 40 fv/lottery ticket?



                To conclude, kinsmen has convinced me of my overvaluation, so my new proposal would similar trades as the following:



                Richard: see Axford for Corey Copping last year, Loup for Waguespack

                Bucholz: a little less than the Liriano deal (Teoscard had been a top 10 prospect)



                Let me know if I'm still way off, guys. I'm still new at the trade discussion thread but I like the debates.


                Thanks for the response. I’ll fire up the game and have a look for potential deals and run them by here once I have looked into it


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                • MountUrCastle
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                  • Apr 2019
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                  #668
                  Re: Official MLB 19 the Show Trade Discussion

                  What would be a good trade for MadBum in MLB 18?

                  Ideally, what are 2-3 players I can get for MadBum, who I can then flip for actual prospects

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                  • ML
                    Eli for HOF
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 1979

                    #669
                    Re: Official MLB 19 the Show Trade Discussion

                    Hello all, Ellsbury is currently hitting sub .180 in June. Is there a realistic way of dumping him off or do I have to bite the bullet here and eat the money DFA?


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                    • BlueJays09
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                      • Jul 2011
                      • 2553

                      #670
                      Re: Official MLB 19 the Show Trade Discussion

                      Okay after the advice I have found a few deals for each player.

                      For Buchholtz, NYY Or the White Sox make sense. Richard was a good fit for White Sox if losing out to Buchholtz, Boston or Minnesota. Smoak I had initially planned to send to the Angels, but they are slipping out of contention due to injuries so might leave that. Colorado appear to be a fit along with Texas but I can’t find a deal I like

                      Prospect team rating in brackets. Here they are:

                      1) Buchholtz 5-3 2.03 ERA, 0.88 WHIP, 41 K / 3 BB in 57.2 IP (WAR 1.7)

                      - NYY for RHP Domingo Acevedo (22)
                      - NYY for RHP Chance Adams (19) with me adding Pompey or Jonathan Davis
                      - White Sox (contending) for Alec Hansen (15) or Burdi (16) with me adding Pompey or Davis.

                      2) Richard 5-1 2.40 ERA, 0.93 WHIP, 40 K in 63.2 IP (2.2 WAR)

                      - White Sox for Delmonico (minimal action this year)
                      - Boston for Pedro Castellanos (25)
                      - Twins for Luke Raley (26) or Jake Cave.

                      3) Smoak .268/.299/.523 with 16 HR and 31 RBI in 239 AB (WAR 2)

                      - Colorado for Castellani (11) and Tyler (15)


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                      • kinsmen7
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                        • Mar 2016
                        • 1661

                        #671
                        Re: Official MLB 19 the Show Trade Discussion

                        Originally posted by BlueJays09
                        Okay after the advice I have found a few deals for each player.

                        For Buchholtz, NYY Or the White Sox make sense. Richard was a good fit for White Sox if losing out to Buchholtz, Boston or Minnesota. Smoak I had initially planned to send to the Angels, but they are slipping out of contention due to injuries so might leave that. Colorado appear to be a fit along with Texas but I can’t find a deal I like

                        Prospect team rating in brackets. Here they are:

                        1) Buchholtz 5-3 2.03 ERA, 0.88 WHIP, 41 K / 3 BB in 57.2 IP (WAR 1.7)

                        - NYY for RHP Domingo Acevedo (22)
                        - NYY for RHP Chance Adams (19) with me adding Pompey or Jonathan Davis
                        - White Sox (contending) for Alec Hansen (15) or Burdi (16) with me adding Pompey or Davis.

                        2) Richard 5-1 2.40 ERA, 0.93 WHIP, 40 K in 63.2 IP (2.2 WAR)

                        - White Sox for Delmonico (minimal action this year)
                        - Boston for Pedro Castellanos (25)
                        - Twins for Luke Raley (26) or Jake Cave.

                        3) Smoak .268/.299/.523 with 16 HR and 31 RBI in 239 AB (WAR 2)

                        - Colorado for Castellani (11) and Tyler (15)


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                        Acevedo might work. I don't like the second option as they've got a ton of outfielders to the point where Clint Frazier is probably their 5th OF. Pompey or Davis end up getting shuffled out the door because they don't fit on the 40 man.

                        White Sox-wise, I think you're reaching too high. Pompey has no value, and Davis is a 27 year old 40 FV guy. Given their lack of bullpen depth, you could toss them a bone there and boost the value up a bit. Say something like Bucholz/Tepera for Pilkington/Zach Thompson+Lotto ticket.

                        If they wanted to move Hansen or Burdi, they could use them in a package to get something with a lot more shine than 2 months of Bucholz.

                        I'm cool with any of those Richard deals.

                        Smoak-wise, I'd imagine something like Castellani+Bottom 5 (Nikorak?) would be closer. Not a huge market for 1B, and he's a FA at the end of the year.
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                        • kinsmen7
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                          • Mar 2016
                          • 1661

                          #672
                          Re: Official MLB 19 the Show Trade Discussion

                          Originally posted by MLamm
                          Hello all, Ellsbury is currently hitting sub .180 in June. Is there a realistic way of dumping him off or do I have to bite the bullet here and eat the money DFA?


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                          Eat it. He's old, injured, and owed something along the lines of $47 mil if you include the buyout.

                          In my Marlins franchise, I considered a Wei-Yin Chen for Ellsbury ($42 mil vs the $47), but ended up just releasing Chen to save myself some money.

                          Originally posted by MountUrCastle
                          What would be a good trade for MadBum in MLB 18?

                          Ideally, what are 2-3 players I can get for MadBum, who I can then flip for actual prospects
                          Approved MadBum trades:

                          NYY: Florial+Abreu+Schmidt
                          Cincy: Santilla+Richardson+Lotto ticket
                          Pit: Swaggerty+Tucker+Reynolds
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                          • BlueJays09
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                            • Jul 2011
                            • 2553

                            #673
                            Re: Official MLB 19 the Show Trade Discussion

                            Originally posted by kinsmen7
                            Acevedo might work. I don't like the second option as they've got a ton of outfielders to the point where Clint Frazier is probably their 5th OF. Pompey or Davis end up getting shuffled out the door because they don't fit on the 40 man.



                            White Sox-wise, I think you're reaching too high. Pompey has no value, and Davis is a 27 year old 40 FV guy. Given their lack of bullpen depth, you could toss them a bone there and boost the value up a bit. Say something like Bucholz/Tepera for Pilkington/Zach Thompson+Lotto ticket.



                            If they wanted to move Hansen or Burdi, they could use them in a package to get something with a lot more shine than 2 months of Bucholz.



                            I'm cool with any of those Richard deals.



                            Smoak-wise, I'd imagine something like Castellani+Bottom 5 (Nikorak?) would be closer. Not a huge market for 1B, and he's a FA at the end of the year.


                            Thank you very much. I will take Acevedo for Buchholtz and have a think on who I want back for Richard of the group.

                            I’ll deal Smoak for Castellani and A bottom 5 as you suggested.

                            Thanks again!


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                            • Rmiok222
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                              • Nov 2015
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                              #674
                              Re: Official MLB 19 the Show Trade Discussion

                              Last one, and I’ll leave you guys alone after this lol. What would it take for a contending Braves team to get Omar narvaes from a rebuilding mariners team. Thanks again!


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                              • kinsmen7
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                                • Mar 2016
                                • 1661

                                #675
                                Re: Official MLB 19 the Show Trade Discussion

                                Originally posted by Rmiok222
                                Last one, and I’ll leave you guys alone after this lol. What would it take for a contending Braves team to get Omar narvaes from a rebuilding mariners team. Thanks again!


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                                Narvaez is worth $39.1 mil in surplus. I'm not really sure what you'd need to do to get him, but consider the fact that the #2 and #3 prospects on the Braves are worth $32.1 mil (Anderson/Wright).
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