MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

[Mackrel829]

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I could see something more in line with Larnach+Lewis+Duran+Balz though. Pretty much the same end value, but spread out a bit more, and it's not trading away from the MLB roster. Looks a lot like the Matt Garza trade from the Rays to the Cubbies a long, long time ago...

I actually really like this. I think the two most sensical trades so far have been this and the Angels package that someone (you?) posted originally:

Detmers+Adell+Marsh

I'm not 100% sure I want to trade Castillo yet but think these two make sense if I do. I'll see how the draft goes (I think the Reds have 8 picks) and how I'm doing at the deadline. I've had a good start to the season and Castillo has been absolutely dealing. Will also see how the Angels and Twins are doing but neither look like contenders currently.

It would make more sense to trade Castillo in the off-season than at the deadline. Can I re-sign him to a one year deal after the season and then trade him? Is this something that happens in MLB? Would it make more sense to sign him to a long term deal and then trade him?

[kinsmen7]

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I actually really like this. I think the two most sensical trades so far have been this and the Angels package that someone (you?) posted originally:

Detmers+Adell+Marsh

I'm not 100% sure I want to trade Castillo yet but think these two make sense if I do. I'll see how the draft goes (I think the Reds have 8 picks) and how I'm doing at the deadline. I've had a good start to the season and Castillo has been absolutely dealing. Will also see how the Angels and Twins are doing but neither look like contenders currently.

It would make more sense to trade Castillo in the off-season than at the deadline. Can I re-sign him to a one year deal after the season and then trade him? Is this something that happens in MLB? Would it make more sense to sign him to a long term deal and then trade him?

Unless 21 has changed the way players are dealt, you'd have to resign him in the offseason before you could trade him anyway. IMO, his value probably decreases by $15ish mil though, since a team would be trading for 1 less year of him. His value will decrease as his salary gets higher, and team control ticks away.

Honestly, I'd keep him, and think about moving Sonny Gray instead. Selling Castillo indicates a long(er) term rebuild. You've got Votto, Castellanos, Suarez, and Moose that all have significant negative value, but you've also got a solid handful of young players/prospects that are MLB ready or close. If you move Castillo, you're essentially indicated a big sell off, which would mean it wouldn't be realistic to go out and sign any bigger names.

Gray to the Angels could net you:

Barria
Calabrese
Detmers
Kochanowicz
Paris

Detmers is obviously the bigger fish prospect, with a bunch of other decent upside guys coming as well.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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That is undoubtedly a massive overpayment for Castillo. He doesn't have nearly the track record to bring back three top-100 prospects.

If Castillo doesn't have the track record, than what pitchers in their 20's do? Castillo was a 4.1 fWAR pitcher in 2019 and a 2.4 fWAR pitcher in 2020 which equates to roughly 7 fWAR over 200 innings.

He's an elite producer. He had the 11th most fWAR from 2019-2020 just above Verlander, Sonny Gray, Patrick Corbin, Stephen Strasburg, etc. The point is he's been excellent and has 3 more years of team control.

[Mackrel829]

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Unless 21 has changed the way players are dealt, you'd have to resign him in the offseason before you could trade him anyway. IMO, his value probably decreases by $15ish mil though, since a team would be trading for 1 less year of him. His value will decrease as his salary gets higher, and team control ticks away.

Honestly, I'd keep him, and think about moving Sonny Gray instead. Selling Castillo indicates a long(er) term rebuild. You've got Votto, Castellanos, Suarez, and Moose that all have significant negative value, but you've also got a solid handful of young players/prospects that are MLB ready or close. If you move Castillo, you're essentially indicated a big sell off, which would mean it wouldn't be realistic to go out and sign any bigger names.

Gray to the Angels could net you:

Barria
Calabrese
Detmers
Kochanowicz
Paris

Detmers is obviously the bigger fish prospect, with a bunch of other decent upside guys coming as well.

Those negative value players were the reason I considered trading Castillo. The team isn't set up to be a real contender as is so would need significant financial investment at a couple of key spots. The Reds don't seem eager to do that.

I figured I could trade Castillo for a couple of A potential prospects and let Votto, Moose, etc. see out their contracts. Then when that money is off the books, the guys I traded for should be hitting their prime, as well as guys already on the roster like Hunter Greene, Nick Senzel, Austin Hendrick, etc.

I've got options though. The Reds have two comp. picks so I could get maybe 3 A potential players in the draft and a couple more Bs. Then I could have my cake and eat it too!

Sonny Gray is probably my favourite Red so he's not going anywhere!

You've been a big help though. I'm a pretty casual fan from the UK and have only recently started following baseball so I'm learning a lot. Cheers!

[strosdood]

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Interesting trade that I saw on baseballtradevalues...



Brewers:

Cain (-17.7)

Ashby (8.9)

Peralta (14)

Turang (22.8)



Rockies

Blackmon (-37)

Marquez (67.2)



Rock's shed some money and get some interesting prospects back, while the Brew Crew pick up a top of the rotation pitcher, upgrade an OF bat. Gotta take a bit of money on, but I don't hate it...



In terms of other negative value SP/SS's that are close in terms of value, and depending on where the teams are sitting in terms of contending:

-David Price

-Nick Ahmed

-Johnny Cueto

-Scott Kingery

-Dallas Kuechel (you'd need to add a small piece)

-A 1 year reunion with Zack Greinke? (Kidding...Stros will be contending, and they're completely out of that contract after this year...doesn't make sense to spread the money over 2 years. It would be fun though...)

Love the thought process here…… I hate trades in my franchise because I always fear possibly ripping off the cpu lol


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[Friar Fanatic]

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Those negative value players were the reason I considered trading Castillo. The team isn't set up to be a real contender as is so would need significant financial investment at a couple of key spots. The Reds don't seem eager to do that.

I figured I could trade Castillo for a couple of A potential prospects and let Votto, Moose, etc. see out their contracts. Then when that money is off the books, the guys I traded for should be hitting their prime, as well as guys already on the roster like Hunter Greene, Nick Senzel, Austin Hendrick, etc.

I've got options though. The Reds have two comp. picks so I could get maybe 3 A potential players in the draft and a couple more Bs. Then I could have my cake and eat it too!

Sonny Gray is probably my favourite Red so he's not going anywhere!

You've been a big help though. I'm a pretty casual fan from the UK and have only recently started following baseball so I'm learning a lot. Cheers!

Mahle would be a good trade option too. His value is a little higher than Snell's

[Mackrel829]

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Honestly, I'd keep him, and think about moving Sonny Gray instead. Selling Castillo indicates a long(er) term rebuild. You've got Votto, Castellanos, Suarez, and Moose that all have significant negative value, but you've also got a solid handful of young players/prospects that are MLB ready or close. If you move Castillo, you're essentially indicated a big sell off, which would mean it wouldn't be realistic to go out and sign any bigger names.

The other option I have is to hold onto Castillo and essentially go the other direction - sacrifice a prospect or two to invest in the team now.

Trevor Story is being talked about a lot as a likely trade option for a number of teams and the Reds have a gaping hole at SS. I've seen a couple of trade packages centered around Jose Garcia that could make sense, and their value is very close at the moment.

CIN get:
SS Trevor Story

COL get:
SS Jose Garcia
SP Tony Santillan

This is out by .10 on the trade simulator?

[kinsmen7]

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The other option I have is to hold onto Castillo and essentially go the other direction - sacrifice a prospect or two to invest in the team now.

Trevor Story is being talked about a lot as a likely trade option for a number of teams and the Reds have a gaping hole at SS. I've seen a couple of trade packages centered around Jose Garcia that could make sense, and their value is very close at the moment.

CIN get:
SS Trevor Story

COL get:
SS Jose Garcia
SP Tony Santillan

This is out by .10 on the trade simulator?

I was just thinking about something like this for you! The NL Central is up for grabs. I'm about 120 games into my franchise (20, but with 21 rosters), and all 5 teams in the division are under .500. Take advantage!

I think if you add a $1-2 mil lotto ticket it's decent. Don't think you can be under on a Story trade. If Rockies ownership/management weren't such a bunch of boneheads, they could have got an absolute haul for him at any point over the past couple of seasons.

What about trying to shed Moose in the package? Garcia+India+Santillan+Moose for Story? Your 3B is pretty much locked up long term, Senzel can go to 2B, Story at SS, and the GOAT Votto stays at 1B.

Would signify that you're not done yet, and would free up cash to re-sign Story+Maybe add in the rotation?

[Mackrel829]

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I was just thinking about something like this for you! The NL Central is up for grabs. I'm about 120 games into my franchise (20, but with 21 rosters), and all 5 teams in the division are under .500. Take advantage!

I think if you add a $1-2 mil lotto ticket it's decent. Don't think you can be under on a Story trade. If Rockies ownership/management weren't such a bunch of boneheads, they could have got an absolute haul for him at any point over the past couple of seasons.

What about trying to shed Moose in the package? Garcia+India+Santillan+Moose for Story? Your 3B is pretty much locked up long term, Senzel can go to 2B, Story at SS, and the GOAT Votto stays at 1B.

Would signify that you're not done yet, and would free up cash to re-sign Story+Maybe add in the rotation?

Yeah I like this idea a lot.

Trading Moose and moving Senzel means playing Naquin and Akiyama at CF. Not great but also not the worst platoon in the world. I feel like Senzel's speed would be wasted at 2nd. He covers so much ground in the outfield.

India is kind of an odd man out at the moment but I thought he might be able to slot in 1B when Votto leaves or regresses past playability. Either that or put him at third and move Suarez to first depending on how his fielding stats hold up. I'd like to keep India ideally but would be willing to include him if needed.

How about Reece Hinds?

[kinsmen7]

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Yeah I like this idea a lot.

Trading Moose and moving Senzel means playing Naquin and Akiyama at CF. Not great but also not the worst platoon in the world. I feel like Senzel's speed would be wasted at 2nd. He covers so much ground in the outfield.

India is kind of an odd man out at the moment but I thought he might be able to slot in 1B when Votto leaves or regresses past playability. Either that or put him at third and move Suarez to first depending on how his fielding stats hold up. I'd like to keep India ideally but would be willing to include him if needed.

How about Reece Hinds?

Think you'd be shy about $7 mil with Hinds.

With India, I just felt like you should easily be able to replace him in the draft for someone that's 2ish years away (Or even Hinds), which is when VottoTheGoat will likely need to be replaced.

[Bgrd1080]

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Marlins Franchise. We are fighting for wild card but not going to resign Starling Marte. What could I get for him? Anything at all?

[Mackrel829]

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Think you'd be shy about $7 mil with Hinds.

With India, I just felt like you should easily be able to replace him in the draft for someone that's 2ish years away (Or even Hinds), which is when VottoTheGoat will likely need to be replaced.

Yeah that's fair.

What if I held onto Moose and just did Garcia + Hinds? That's $31m to Story's $27m. I'd probably still be happy to throw in a low end guy like Santillan or Gutierrez if it still needs a little something extra. Story will likely have a lot of suitors so a sweetner couldn't hurt.

CIN gets:
SS Trevor Story

COL gets:
SS Jose Garcia
3B/OF Reece Hinds
(SP Tony Santillan)

[kinsmen7]

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Yeah that's fair.

What if I held onto Moose and just did Garcia + Hinds? That's $31m to Story's $27m. I'd probably still be happy to throw in a low end guy like Santillan or Gutierrez if it still needs a little something extra. Story will likely have a lot of suitors so a sweetner couldn't hurt.

CIN gets:
SS Trevor Story

COL gets:
SS Jose Garcia
3B/OF Reece Hinds
(SP Tony Santillan)

Yeah, that'd work.

[Mackrel829]

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Yeah, that'd work.

Hooray! I'll hang on until the deadline and will almost certainly go ahead with that

Thanks again for the help and advice!

[bryanm1982]

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Yeah, that'd work.

I'm actually interested in playing the Reds if I can get Story or Correa. Would that same deal for Story work at the beginning of the year? I know I can try for Correa but he would have to wait for the deadline to see if the Astros are in it. But I would want Story before the season. I know usually we would give up less if we wait until the deadline.